I watched Agnis Philosophy Demo and was impressed by the graphics, then I thought about a game with the graphics. I could care less. As you wrote: Give me a fresh game and i'm all in.
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Wii U clock speeds are found by marcan
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I watched Agnis Philosophy Demo and was impressed by the graphics, then I thought about a game with the graphics. I could care less. As you wrote: Give me a fresh game and i'm all in.
HAL_Laboratory
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Welcome to 2006. Do people really still think Nintendo is "competing" with Sony/MS? They've obviously moved on.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
He said 'on the Wii,' not on the Wii U.
Fredrik
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It will buck that trend as long as Sony and MS keep holding on to the current generation. I plan to play ME3, Darksiders 2, AC3, Tekken Tag 2, Alien CM on WiiU instead of PS3/360.
Once PS4/720 is out I might do otherwise though, but that depends on how much better the games are there and if the console have interesting selling points besides higher specs. If I end up liking WiiU a lot I might need more than sparkles and individual strands of hair and beard to go back to single screen gaming again.
Steve Youngblood
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Yeah I didn't suggest you were guilty if that. I'm just challenging the notion that we should trust HAL_Laboratory's narrative that the system is powerful based on what "insider's" are currently saying, but nobody's demonstrated as of yet.
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
Ok this is probably the silliest thing i've read in a while. The Wii U had many shortcomings but being bigger than the OG xbox is not one of them.
My mistake. I saw Wii U in his post and jumped to conclusions.
I actually never bought a third party port on the Wii.
All shooters control far better on the Wii than on PS3 and 360 (well until move arrived)
so...yeah, there was that. Given the choice though PC gets top priority unless I can live with the controls (like borderlands for example)
Fenderputty
Banned
Moved on and then released an HD console in hopes to grab the same market who's shunned Nintendo for a couple gens?
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
The innards are in the Wii U console which is included in the 299 price. This argument never made sense to me. If anything it costs more to include advanced streaming tech that is being used.
Edit: Ooops sorry Heavy misread your post.
You want them to make the Wii U an SD console? Only hardcore players care about HD?
HAL_Laboratory
Member
Why are you putting words in my mouth man? I never said the system was powerful. You're taking what I said out of context. Not cool. Next time a world-class dev says good things about a system I should just not say anything I guess. I had more faith in GAF but I should have known better.
Wrestlemania
Banned
It's closer to one of those cheapo Android tablets. So say $99. Plus a Blu-Ray drive, of course.
So is this good, bad, or average?
Cause I seem to recall certain tech demos running fine and ports running, well, not as well to be sure, but not so poorly that the system seemed a whole league below the PS360. Isn't the system as capable as those consoles for all intents and purposes?
I'm honestly asking cause I can't take much from those marcan quotes.
Cause I seem to recall certain tech demos running fine and ports running, well, not as well to be sure, but not so poorly that the system seemed a whole league below the PS360. Isn't the system as capable as those consoles for all intents and purposes?
I'm honestly asking cause I can't take much from those marcan quotes.
Or been left behind, depending on your perspective.
Still, there's always those impressive sales to tout.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
I think you're confused. Read the post he "fixt" quoted above it.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Which is why Nintendo went with what they did in the Wii U.
The Wii explosion of popularity showed them that Average Joe Consumer could care less about graphics/RAM/clock speed. As a result, we got this thing. I like it, don't get me wrong, but, to me, it's a system that I'll have in addition to one of the other two new ones.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
Now now. Let him have his cake and eat it too.
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
So we've devolved into pretending that sales aren't important anymore?
If anything, this shows that NEOGAF and this silly "hardcore gamer" mindset has been left behind. Not Nintendo.
yea thats not even close to factual. tons of people hate motion controls. "Far Better" reflects personal preference and nothing more.
HAL_Laboratory
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Get that troll bait shit outta here man. You know damn well sales are what it's all about. These are global corporations, not sports teams.
test_account
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Where i live, there wouldnt be that much to save. If i use WiiU 4 times each day in one month (30 day month) and the load on the WiiU is 75W all the time, it will cost me about $1.4 US dollars. If the WiiU had used 100W instead, it would cost me about $1.7. I would be saving 30 cents a month on this.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
More RAM than PS360, but it's slower.
Better GPU than PS360.
The CPU has a lower clock speed, but is more modern so it adds up to being about on par or slightly better.
I'm no techhead, but I guess it should overall be on par with PS360, but since it's so GPU-reliant it makes for bad ports when devs try to dump CPU-reliant PS360 code directly on Wii U. Ports need to be reworked to get the best out of the Wii U.
Would you respond the same way to someone who said that shooters control far better on PC? I mean, that the mouse isn't better than an analog stick.
My favourite reply in this thread.
Dave's one of those guys who thinks that hardware power is always more important. He only sees things from his individual consumer perspective and doesn't really care to think about "big picture" stuff like sales. He likes his gadgets an tech. It's a totally valid perspective, it just doesn't make for fun discussion.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
That's actually a higher clocked GPU than I expected.
CPU is in the lower range of speeds.
Not exactly surprising.
CPU is in the lower range of speeds.
Not exactly surprising.
I own a Vita. What do you think?
Sales matter to the corporation, not the consumer. Unless you're discussing the viability of sequels which doesn't seem terribly applicable to Nintendo.
Precisely. The unit sales of a piece of hardware have never enhanced my enjoyment of a game but beefy specs sure as fuck have.
So why even make the Wii U as powerful as it is? Why not literally just make an HD Wii with a tablet controller?
Fenderputty
Banned
Of course I want the Wii U to be HD. My comment was directed at a person who seems to believe that Nintendo isn't competeing with MS / Sony.
You honestly think the Wii U is being realesed without a care in the wrold about Sony's and MS's products? You really think the HD Wii and it's press about 3rd party support isn't an attempt get some of Sony's and MS's fans to jump ship?
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
So the normal person point of view then, not the bizarre cheerleading for one logo over another variety?
As a consumer and presumably not a stockholder or employee, why wouldnt you want to praise the people giving you everything you wanted and more and see that succeed? Nintendo will never have any reason to build an acceptable-for-that-year box because such a huge population of people will evangelise every single aspect of the things they punt out like they were forged according to the words from some holy text.
The "big picture"? Crimany.
Thanks, makes sense. So what is all the commotion about? That Nintendo went with unspectacular hardware? How is that a surprise after the Wii (v. PS360) and 3DS (v. Vita)? Or is it because of the price? Because in that case I share the dissatisfaction, but only because no system should be priced that high in this troubled economy, especially after the Wii and the tepid sales of the 3DS.
Probably because of the fact that a lot more homes today have HDTV's now than 6-7 years ago. They probably want those easy ps3/360 ports too.
Fredrik
Member
Look at AC3 for example, note that it's the first WiiU game made by the developer, a port of a highly optimized 360/PS3 engine, and know that we always see increases in performance in game engines over time. WiiU will do just fine compared to PS3/360.
The uphill battle starts when PS4/720 is out. Might end in a slaughter, or in a Wii like situation where you'll at least get gameplay originallity on WiiU that you simply can't get anywhere else, until Sony try to copy it...
Saint Gregory
Member
But aren't you an iPhone gamer?
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
To be fair, I think it's a little more accurate to say that Nintendo seems to feel they don't have to leave their traditional comfort zone to make a successful video game console.
The problem's always been that gamers see Nintendo has having stopped competing. It's more that the costs of dedicated, enthusiast-oriented game devices kept going up and finally left Nintendo's price range. The bleeding edge left them behind.
There were actually too conservative with the Wii, IMO. I think their reservations were actually justified, but as they didn't know if the Wii experiment would work, they lowballed it a tad much. Had the Wii been a tad more powerful and supported basic HD output it might have smoothed over the disconnect between Nintendo and where 'hardcore' gaming was going a bit more.
For all that it is now being said "Wii U is Wii all over again", Wii U, even at launch with the stuff we've got to work with so far, is not as out of step as the Wii was. It outputs visuals at current standards for displays, it appears capable of producing content that the mainstream and even genuinely average core games (as opposed to the elite, the enthusiasts, and the leading edge) seems happy with.
The weird part is that finding this out about the CPU actually has me more intrigued than panicked. It seems clear that something about the console's design concept is working due to the performance it's outputting with day zero software. I'm actually more confident about its capabilities as far as native games go, and its ability to make use of the gamepad while running impressive games. No, I didn't just buy one for Nintendo's first party software. I'm interested in the fundamental system concept, and stuff like ZombiU is proving my interest was well founded.
radioheadrule83
Banned
Sales matter for the viability of continued software, period. As a Vita owner, I suspect you'll get to learn that in the next year or two if it doesn't pick up.
exmachina64
Banned
Why bother courting third party ports if they're not competing? I'm seriously asking.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
Mostly that Nintendo is releasing a 2012 console with HW specs that aren't much better than consoles released in 2005/2006, yeah. Add launch ports of debatable quality, slow OS and NNIN accounts being locked to your console, and it's a pretty bad launch period for Nintendo. The HW specs are also cause for alarm in regards to third party support, as it might be there now, but what'll happen when the next Sony and Microsoft consoles are out?
The big picture means looking at things from multiple levels. For example I am an individual that buys things. I am a consumer. That is one frame of reference.
At the same time,I buy things from large corporations that have to think about things like sales. They have to think about costs and all kinds of other things that only matter to their perspective. I'm also someone who enjoys thinking about organizations and how they function. It's part of my line of work.
So, I don't always HAVE to see things as a consumer. Sometimes it's fun to put on different caps and think about things from different angles. The human brain is amazing.
Of course I want everything I want and more. But many years on this earth have taught me that things don't always go that way. Nuance is a thing that exists, try it sometime.
HAL_Laboratory
Member
Unless you care how the industry works, what philosophies are successful VS unsuccessful, what new trends are worth following or ended up being worth following, where the industry might be heading, where it's been, etc. There is a lot to be learned from sales. When I'm sitting in my living room playing games, I don't care. But when I'm shopping an idea to pubs, doing artwork for a studio or planning out a business strategy, yes, it matters for sure.
Clear
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Combichristoffersen said:
No it isn't, at least not in real-world application. Out-of-order execution is great for running sloppily compiled code efficiently, unfortunately the fact that its going to receive ported code optimized to run on in-order hardware is going to undercut that advantage substantially.
What you see in the specs is a system designed to run Nintendo games in HD res, no more, no less. Nintendo's key franchise titles are not that processor intensive; which isn't to say they have less merit, its just that you don't need masses of computation to make a better looking mario, just a solid GPU.
Fenderputty
Banned
Did the stellar sales of the Wii matter with regards to it's 3rd party software support? No.
Yet you are basing your disappointment on the secondhand information given here about the processor architecture that has not looked at ANY balance of the system, optimizations made in the packages, efficiencies in the engines that my be afforded by such a platform, etc.
I think you're deluded. Vita's sales are extremely poor and unless they don't pick up soon you aren't going to have much content to enjoy on your Vita. But you know...dem specs.
HAL_Laboratory
Member
You think Nintendo is "courting" 3rd parties? Look at the hardware. Look at the philosophy. It's clear that 1st party is the priority.
My condolences when the games and support dry up.
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