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Sony patents "hybrid separable motion controller"; gearing for PS4?
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The Everyman
With those breakapart designs, you get an awkward normal controller and an awkward motion controller. Just break it and KEEP it broken.
im also cool with this.
i dont understand why it would need to be joined,
Eh, I don't know how much precise could be without those.
Chuck Norris
Banned
Why can't they be smaller? Can't they just make a higher resolution camera that tracks smaller balls? That way they could be basically the size of a marble and not really intrusive
With the newest motion sensor tech around - it can be extremely precise.
With the addition of micro-camera technology, it can also correct for drift consistently.
With those two pieces of tech... it'd be pretty expensive for a single controller.
(but in volume, they're not that expensive... like $10 extra max (component cost wise)...)
Its not a standard controller.
If its standard, Sony will support it.
Plenty of third party games used the Wii's motion+IR functions.
Nintendo still supports Wiiremote + Nunchuck for Wii U games as seen with their re-packaged boxes and games like Nintendoland or Pikmin 3, and big games like BLOPSII offer the option to play it Wii-style
okay
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
IMO Sony made a big mistake by trying to "outdo" Nintendo's design and reuse the PS Eye camera. The glowbulb system is too large, ugly, and doesn't provide the IR pointer precision of the "simple" wii remote triangulation tactic with a pair of cheap leds on a sensor bar.
Now they're stuck with it moving forward, if they don't back up, abandon it, and start over.
Now they're stuck with it moving forward, if they don't back up, abandon it, and start over.
I remember there was a 3rd party controller for the PS1 where you can split the it in half and play using the dpad using your left and and the buttons using with the right hand. I wanted to get it so I could be extra lazy gamer
Is it this?
Found this when searching for better examples of one-handed controllers.
TimeEffect
Member
That's because Move wasn't standard. With so many platforms to develop for, and with the Move fragmenting so much of the PS3 community, it's not worth investing in. Make this a standard, and this will change. Some Developers have to: develop for Xbox/develop for PC/develop (separately) for PS3/develop for handhelds/develop for Wii/work with separate bugs/do patches/work on DLC. There is a crazy lack of unison in the industry and devs have to work on all or a combination of these. Why put resources towards Move, when it makes up for a fraction of the consumers? Either developers are confident and have the resources and time to be a Move seller, or they wait for Sony to make Move significant enough to develop for. None of this happened
Yeah, but can they not have a technology that doesnt require the silly bulbs? I understands its purpose, but surely there is a way to modify it. when they demoed Move they made it clear it was a prototype design lol
That could make some core gamers mad. I dont think Id mind, but a classic controller is what everybody has been using forever.
If they can design it so that you can make it join or split it apart, and remove or fold in components, it could be great. There are third party controllers today where you can remove the analog stick and move it around to the dpad, right?
There are many ways they can go about this, but I do definitely think it'd be a good idea to bring forward motion controls, especially if Nintendo is dropping it and MS is using no buttons.I mean, there is a market on Wii that used it, why abandon them?
Along with 3D gaming, motion controls may be able to immerse you in some great ways. Wonderbook is something that looks very appealing for kids. Truth is, Sony cant ignore the more casual market, and cant just cater to core gamers. MS is promoting Kinect, Wii is promoting tablet gaming. Sony needs something, but not something that takes away from the "We are core gaming" mantra, or something that takes precedence over that.
If Sony can brand PSN to appeal to Xbox gamers, sell their core IPs to attract back PS gamers, and brand itself as casuals with a proper motion control device from the getgo, they could be successful. But since it's Sony, I have my doubts
You think it's another Vita scenario? Overdesigned and trying to find its own niche going into the next generation?
shinobi602
Member
I don't want forced motion controls please. Let there be an option for both motion and traditional controls for both types of gamers.
It wouldn't be forced, though. You have all the same inputs as a DualShock 3, just in the form of two one-handed controllers. Granted, the layout needs a little work, but I'm of the opinion that split controllers are more comfortable even if they're not being used for accelerometer/gyro/pointer stuff.
Actually, a while ago I was predicting a shitty middle ground between Vita's touchpad and the old as shit Dualshock design sony keeps dragging along to please their fans, as a best case scenario for (finally!)a new controller.
I dont even know why you'd need a touchpad there but seemed to me like the boldest direction they would be willing to go besides reprinting DS with a 4 at the end. But bleh! Fuck that safe bet mentality.
I will do a standing ovation if sony has the balls to make this break-apart motion controller a standard.
Do it Sony! Go all the way or dont bother
I dont even know why you'd need a touchpad there but seemed to me like the boldest direction they would be willing to go besides reprinting DS with a 4 at the end. But bleh! Fuck that safe bet mentality.
I will do a standing ovation if sony has the balls to make this break-apart motion controller a standard.
Do it Sony! Go all the way or dont bother
Insane Metal
Member
Doesn't look bad actually, and having two separate sensors for each player sounds really good. But I really hate this sensor thing. I wish we could go back to 'joystick only' gaming.
Chuck Norris
Banned
Just make it like this
Put a dpad on the left controller instead of buttons And reduce the size of the light balls to be as small as a marble
Then I'm game
Put a dpad on the left controller instead of buttons And reduce the size of the light balls to be as small as a marble
Then I'm game
Then you still get games developed with waggle in mind (see early PS3 games). It's not like games will have a yes/no motion control setting.
So basically this is the Sony Wii... What's the point? The Wii is dead. You wanna play Wii Tennis all over again just with better graphics? You wanna swing the controllers around just to run in GTA V? Fuck that shit. I don't understand the hype i'm seeing in this thread at all. Remember when the PS3 controller looked like this:
It made much more sense ergonomically than the crap that is the current standard. Yet that was still rejected entirely by the Sony fanbase for looking too 'odd'. Why is this Sony Wii controller any different? Ya'll be cray, man.
It made much more sense ergonomically than the crap that is the current standard. Yet that was still rejected entirely by the Sony fanbase for looking too 'odd'. Why is this Sony Wii controller any different? Ya'll be cray, man.
SolidSnakex
Member
I just don't see how it could work unless it's like the design in the OP. In which case there'd be no reason to not go with an optional split design instead of a permanent split. The Dual Shock works well with every genre, and that's the main reason why I think it's the best controller out there. I'd hate for them to dump that in favor of a split design.
yurinka
Member
And here comes the DS4/Move 2!
I assume that they would improve the resolution of the camera, so the size of the golf balls would be proportionally smaller than the resolution increase.
If they make the balls small enough, and the general design enough similar to the DS3 (maybe just improving the analogs making them more 360 like), then we'll have the ultimate motion controller.
With this and Vita with cross-controller and remote play for all games with decent lag then we'd have the winner of the gen controller wise.
Btw, consider that with double ball there would be triangulation so the pointer stuff would be even better.
I assume that they would improve the resolution of the camera, so the size of the golf balls would be proportionally smaller than the resolution increase.
If they make the balls small enough, and the general design enough similar to the DS3 (maybe just improving the analogs making them more 360 like), then we'll have the ultimate motion controller.
With this and Vita with cross-controller and remote play for all games with decent lag then we'd have the winner of the gen controller wise.
Btw, consider that with double ball there would be triangulation so the pointer stuff would be even better.
Bending_Unit_22
Member
Fig. 7 has some kind of interface or indicated presence of triggers
Yeah, pretty sure I've heard that patent art is purposely as ridiculous and stupid looking as possible for competitive reasons.
Back in the Revolution controller speculation days I thought it would be interesting if part of the controller was screen/touchpad. Would allow developers to add in unique buttons, quick access menu, hidden selection, perhaps other gameplay tricks (one I had was for a game like Eternal Darkness where the controls would suddenly be remapped to the touchpad and also move around). Could also be used for smaller things like maps, rear view, scanner, and so forth. Of course the Wii U Gamepad is sort of a massively expanded version of that.
TimeEffect
Member
Whatever Sony does, they can't be too radical.
Think of the nightmare it will be for developers to deal with: Kinect, Tablet, and whatever Sony does. If Sony wants third party support, they have to be relevant and significant in terms of market share. That means coming out before MS so that developers are on board.
I definitely dont want Sony to do a tablet or Kinect, because they will be treated second class.
What I really think will be great is just giving us this hybrid controller (presuming that motion control isn't a big pain to do), making developing for the PS4 much easier, and even giving us MORE buttons. Think about it, an extra two buttons, or a back trackpad (if they can ever design the controller to properly fit all this) could be great.
Wouldn't extra buttons be a huge advantage for core games?
Think of the nightmare it will be for developers to deal with: Kinect, Tablet, and whatever Sony does. If Sony wants third party support, they have to be relevant and significant in terms of market share. That means coming out before MS so that developers are on board.
I definitely dont want Sony to do a tablet or Kinect, because they will be treated second class.
What I really think will be great is just giving us this hybrid controller (presuming that motion control isn't a big pain to do), making developing for the PS4 much easier, and even giving us MORE buttons. Think about it, an extra two buttons, or a back trackpad (if they can ever design the controller to properly fit all this) could be great.
Wouldn't extra buttons be a huge advantage for core games?
Not to be super-pedantic or anything, but in this case Sony's filed a patent APPLICATION. The USPTO recently made the contents of the application public via a PreGrant Publication. If a patent ever results from the application, it won't be for a few years and very likely will be somewhat different from what is currently claimed.
Just FYI. Not that it has anything to do with the speculations based on the drawings, of course.
Just FYI. Not that it has anything to do with the speculations based on the drawings, of course.
makingmusic476
Member
Maybe if they throw in an HD camera and make the balls tiny, like the little lights in Minority Report.
Using current Move-sized balls would look terribly stupid.
Using current Move-sized balls would look terribly stupid.
I can see where you're coming from, and I'm not at all opposed to a split design. I just think that if you're going to split something and have it still work well in both of its roles, the DualShock 3 is a terrible choice due to the short handles and angles between the buttons/d-pad and sticks.
Splitting this down the middle would work better.
MikeE21286
Member
Looks completely ridiculous.
Maybe if they throw in an HD camera and make the balls tiny, like the little lights in Minority Report.
Using current Move-sized balls would look terribly stupid.
I used something similar in a Nissan the future exhibition. It was so very cumbersome. The act of realigning when you get to end of the screen, like in the case of a mouse on a mouse pad, needs to be fixed. - such as in in case of the mouse where you can just lift a mouse and centre it again.
yn-neko hates a cat
Banned
With those breakapart designs, you get an awkward normal controller and an awkward motion controller. Just break it and KEEP it broken.
The level of stupidity required to go down this road of making this the main controller is nothing Sony is capable of regardless of what you think of their track record.
AstroNut325
Member
Sony have been using touchscreens in their devices for over a decade now. Touchscreens are now a standard feature in multitasking electronics, so it makes sense to implement one in their next controller.
Busta SMurk
Member
So the people that complain about traditional gaming controllers, can snap a few pieces together and, have something that resembles the Dualshock?
This is clearly just a patent image, and probably no way representative of a final build. But assuming they do go with something like this, I'm 100% sure they will conceal the orbs, and/or find an alternate way of doing the same task, in a sleeker form.
Now, how they would do this AND have it break apart? Hmmmm, not so sure how that would look, but I can see how it would be practical. Some traditional games use it like a regular controller, and the motion enabled games use the same controller, in a totally different way. One controller, many possibilities.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Just make it like this
Put a dpad on the left controller instead of buttons And reduce the size of the light balls to be as small as a marble
Then I'm game
This.
Perfect approach for the next controller.
Hopefully they come up with a controller that doesn't costs more than the 3ds to replace.
Dynamite Shikoku
Congratulations, you really deserve it!
Whats with those stupid lightbulbs on top?
Like the hat?
Banned
If this becomes their main controller I will go from Wii u only to Wii u/ps4 next gen
I like that design...With those breakapart designs, you get an awkward normal controller and an awkward motion controller. Just break it and KEEP it broken.
Playstation Move works by the Playstation Eye tracking a colored lightbulb at the end of the Move controller, as opposed to the Wii Remote using an IR camera to track IR bulbs in the sensor bar.
Hydrogen Bluebird
Member
Dual shock is now the dual split? I am all for this as long as it gives me the option the use it like a normal
controller meaning there should be the option to use te controller while connected andnot have it split all the time.
controller meaning there should be the option to use te controller while connected andnot have it split all the time.
giancarlo123x
Banned
Stress balls.
The screen would be the most expensive component of the controller. Depending on what size they choose, they could get away with a touchscreen controller that costs under $99.