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[WiiredShawn]

Or perhaps it just looked boring as shit

Edit : I actually thought it was MOH: Warfighter 2 or some other up it's own ass Military Shooter at that part

Maybe it was for some people, although a few seemed specifically upset about the notion of crawling. I guess I'm just wondering what the response would be if you took those two elements - disabled character, crawling gameplay - and gave them proper context. De-emphasizing player power and highlighting disability could make for an interesting and maybe subversive game experience, if handled appropriately.

 

[Scarecrow]

Though I'm totally down for the metal gear connections, I was really intrigued at the thought of it as a new ip. Being crippled and trying to escape a hospital (or asylum)? Pretty unique. Why are soldiers killing patients? Quarantine?

 

[pieatorium]

Maybe it was for some people, although a few seemed specifically upset about the notion of crawling. I guess I'm just wondering what the response would be if you took those two elements - disabled character, crawling gameplay - and gave them proper context. De-emphasizing player power and highlighting disability could make for an interesting and maybe subversive game experience, if handled appropriately.

Probably, but theres a place for stuff like that and a VGA reveal isn't where I would expect to see that. It would be like releaseing an oscar bait film in blockbuster season.

 

[MidnightCowboy]

Man, I seriously love Kojima. He's truly one of auteurs of the video game industry. Say what you will about all of the craziness and whatnot in his games (which I love), but he should be commended for sticking to his style after all these years and not just making games that are indistinguishable from other games like so many have done this generation. He rarely sacrifices his creative vision.

 

[bobs...onGaf]

Though I'm totally down for the metal gear connections, I was really intrigued at the thought of it as a new ip. Being crippled and trying to escape a hospital (or asylum)? Pretty unique. Why are soldiers killing patients? Quarantine?

Agreed, I kind of hope it still plays out in that way. If this is a spin off with a really phsycodelic story involving Snake or perhaps a Snake clone being trapped in this nightmarish facility in a weakened hallucinogenic state but still smart enough to at least sneak through everything I will be there day one. It would be a unique experience for sure.

 

[Graphics Horse]

Though I'm totally down for the metal gear connections, I was really intrigued at the thought of it as a new ip. Being crippled and trying to escape a hospital (or asylum)? Pretty unique. Why are soldiers killing patients? Quarantine?

Dunno.

Notice how bandaged head guy gets shot down by the soldiers, and then everything is on fire and he gets back up again with Snake?
And then Snake is woken up on the floor again amongst the bodies with no fire.

Or more honestly it feels like there will be a bit of a Silent Hill dual world thing at work here.

Creep towards psycho-sorrow person.
Knocked out by explosion - wake up somewhere else, it was all a dream?
Evacuating hospital with a crowd of people, soldiers shoot everyone, get knocked out again.
Wake up in the fire of the explosion, run through the smoke.
Knocked out by uh, flying unicorn or something. No, a car crash!
Woken up back in the corridor again by a guard.

 

[Haunted]

Minimal gameplay: check.
Emphasis on style over substance: check.
Heavy scripting: check.
Talky talk cinematics: check.

But all of these still apply even if it's MGS!

Maybe it's because 4 turned me off the series, but the overarching MGS canon and universe (lol) and lore is not enough to pull me back into a series with the failings in substance you detail above.

an attractive prospect to a large and excitable franchise fanbase.

Maybe that's my problem, I'm not part of that anymore.

 

[Respawn]

I see no issue with disinterest from the "new IP" shifting to excitement after learning it's related to Metal Gear. The VGAs are notorious for being a platform to announce cinematic, minimalist gameplay rubbish and, if you were to take the trailer as a new IP, it was hardly anything more.

Minimal gameplay: check.
Emphasis on style over substance: check.
Heavy scripting: check.
Talky talk cinematics: check.

As a new IP I thought it looked dull and uninteresting because, as a game, there's no actual interesting gameplay going on.

But as Metal Gear it changes, because it's no longer a trailer but a puzzle and a tease, deliberately constructed they way it has been to encourage analysis. Now it's less "oh it's a cripple stumbling through a hospital with shootbang" and more "is it Big Boss? Who is the masked man? Why is a Psycho Mantis character there? Why the hallucinations? How does it connect to Ground Zeroes? What are the "phantoms"?", and so on.

As a new IP it is what it is and nothing much more. As a Metal Gear tease it suddenly opens up a whole bunch of questions as to how it relates to the canon and universe, an attractive prospect to a large and excitable franchise fanbase.

After reading this post I can agree somewhat but we could have given it the benefit of the doubt before hand since it was actually at the vga wp for a reason.

 

[Astral]

This thread blew my fucking mind. When I watched the trailer I just wanted it to end. It was dragging and I really needed to go do something. Now I just keep watching it.

 

[CosmicGroinPull]

WTF are some people smoking? That looked damn good. Just like Ground Zero, some elements of currentgen graphics mixed with nextgen ones (particularly the lighting). I thought the bald doctor was live action.

Super hyped.

No wonder Kojima posted some pics of nurses when showing off Fox Engine. They have a hospital stage.

 

[SpaceBridge]

I wonder when Kojima will confirm this as MGS? And I wonder if there will be any fallout from this plubicity stunt and how Keighly and VGA's was essentially used as a vehicle for this?

Also, I have no idea how some of you could have said this trailer was boring or dragged on. Even if it had been a new IP, it's a tense, disturbing and mysterious trailer.

 

[SJRB]

I wonder when Kojima will confirm this as MGS? And I wonder if there will be any fallout from this plubicity stunt and how Keighly and VGA's was essentially used as a vehicle for this?

Also, I have no idea how some of you could have said this trailer was boring or dragged on. Even if it had been a new IP, it's a tense, disturbing and mysterious trailer.

Fallout? Kojima tricked us all and it was masterfully done. If any, Keighly is a cool guy for allowing Kojima to do so [it's not like anyone would say no to lord Kojima, but you get my point]. Why would anyone hate on this, this is great stuff.

Not to mention the VGAs is used as a vehicle for pretty much everything, I must have seen the commercial for that Tom Cruise movie 10 times. It had Marlon Wayan plug his fucking c-grade movie live on stage.

 

[Listonosh]

Not sure if this was mentioned, but this whole "dream" sequence could be another one of those elaborate gameplay levels like in MGS3, when you reset the game while in prison. I mean this seems like a much MORE elaborate scene but if this is indeed MGS Ground Zeroes related, I can see this being the case.

 

[jooey]

Not sure if this was mentioned, but this whole "dream" sequence could be another one of those elaborate gameplay levels like in MGS3, when you reset the game while in prison. I mean this seems like a much MORE elaborate scene but if this is indeed MGS Ground Zeroes related, I can see this being the case.

That's my fallback theory. For all the power and craziness Kojima wields, I just can't see the whole of KojiPro working on two big Metal Gear games at once. Unless KojiPro LA is bigger than I think.

 

[CosmicGroinPull]

I'm so glad this is actually in the game. Should be a fun time sneaking around the hospital.

 

[Crunch2600]

Not sure if this was mentioned, but this whole "dream" sequence could be another one of those elaborate gameplay levels like in MGS3, when you reset the game while in prison. I mean this seems like a much MORE elaborate scene but if this is indeed MGS Ground Zeroes related, I can see this being the case.

What some people were saying is an Assassin's Creed-style lateral story-telling, with a similar foundation of the characters being tied together through their genes. Maybe. There is a feeling from both trailers of the player, character not being completely present in the scene, based on how you're viewing these events, but maybe it's more of a style thing. Like, what Ether_Snake observed, when there's a bright light in view, a creepy tone plays, there's some sort of anchor elsewhere, perhaps the common ground for both of these games.

 

[FlashbladeGAF]

I'm so glad this is actually in the game. Should be a fun time sneaking around the hospital.

This

unarmed while under the influence while being hunted down by soldiers... Ultimate stealth survival

 

[phosphor112]

I didn't see this in the past 4 or so pages... I know some of this was mentioned before by a few posters, and they are very close, but spoilers...

Spoiler

Chronologically, Phantom Pain comes after Metal Gear.

Big Boss fights Solid Snake in Metal Gear. Self destruct sequence that Big Boss gets caught in obviously doesn't kill him. At the end he promises to see Solid again.

Anyway... Dr. Marv (NOT Madnar.. look at Marv from Metal Gear games, specifically 2, and compare him to the one from the trailer... perfect match) reconstructs (not resurrects... Big Boss was alive...) with the state of the art prosthetic limbs... Phantom Pains anyone?

So... It has to be after MG 1 because explosion, before MG 2 because Marv gets killed.

http://metalgear.wikia.com/wiki/Kio_Marv

Sorry if this is already mentioned.

 

[Graphics Horse]

I didn't see this in the past 4 or so pages... I know some of this was mentioned before by a few posters, and they are very close, but spoilers...

Spoiler

Chronologically, Phantom Pain comes after Metal Gear.

Big Boss fights Solid Snake in Metal Gear. Self destruct sequence that Big Boss gets caught in obviously doesn't kill him. At the end he promises to see Solid again.

Anyway... Dr. Madnar (NOT Marv... look at Madnar from Metal Gear games and compare him to the one from the trailer... perfect match) reconstructs (not resurrects... he was already still alive...) with the state of the art prosthetic limbs... Phantom Pains anyone?

So... It has to be after MG 1 because explosion, before MG 2 because Madnar gets killed.

Sorry if this is already mentioned.

Whenever it is set Madnar makes an awful lot more sense, he doesn't look much like Einstein here but that's no problem.

And you might be right about the setting but it's too hard to say. The radio in the hospital looks like it's from the late 80's or later but that's all I got.

 

[DjRoomba]

Judgin by the 54 pages here, people are excited bout this. but despite some speculation on Neogaf, I dont see the point of pretending its not MGS V. So a little down the way they will admit it is in fact MGS? So what was the point in pretending it wasn't? To me it seems pointless. A strange attempt at viral marketing that ultimately doesn't really matter.

 

[phosphor112]

Whenever it is set Madnar makes an awful lot more sense, he doesn't look much like Einstein here but that's no problem.

And you might be right about the setting but it's too hard to say. The radio in the hospital looks like it's from the late 80's or later but that's all I got.

I agree, Madnar makes more sense... but Kojima might be trolling...

Look at it. LOOK AT IT!

http://i.imgur.com/thGCt.jpg

But yes... Having Madnar would tie in with the

Spoiler

Snatcher project

 

[Cuban Legend]

I see no issue with disinterest from the "new IP" shifting to excitement after learning it's related to Metal Gear. The VGAs are notorious for being a platform to announce cinematic, minimalist gameplay rubbish and, if you were to take the trailer as a new IP, it was hardly anything more.

Minimal gameplay: check.
Emphasis on style over substance: check.
Heavy scripting: check.
Talky talk cinematics: check.

As a new IP I thought it looked dull and uninteresting because, as a game, there's no actual interesting gameplay going on.

But as Metal Gear it changes, because it's no longer a trailer but a puzzle and a tease, deliberately constructed they way it has been to encourage analysis. Now it's less "oh it's a cripple stumbling through a hospital with shootbang" and more "is it Big Boss? Who is the masked man? Why is a Psycho Mantis character there? Why the hallucinations? How does it connect to Ground Zeroes? What are the "phantoms"?", and so on.

As a new IP it is what it is and nothing much more. As a Metal Gear tease it suddenly opens up a whole bunch of questions as to how it relates to the canon and universe, an attractive prospect to a large and excitable franchise fanbase.

awww. I love you but I've always wanted to go all "thisisneogsaf.gif, hivemind something something" on all the Kojima "followers" in here...

but your argument is so goddamn solid. No wonder everyone wants your babies. Keep on keepin on bro.

 

[Mature]

Judgin by the 54 pages here, people are excited bout this. but despite some speculation on Neogaf, I dont see the point of pretending its not MGS V. So a little down the way they will admit it is in fact MGS? So what was the point in pretending it wasn't? To me it seems pointless. A strange attempt at viral marketing that ultimately doesn't really matter.

It certainly managed to rile people up effectively enough.

 

[Thoraxes]

Judgin by the 54 pages here, people are excited bout this. but despite some speculation on Neogaf, I dont see the point of pretending its not MGS V. So a little down the way they will admit it is in fact MGS? So what was the point in pretending it wasn't? To me it seems pointless. A strange attempt at viral marketing that ultimately doesn't really matter.

It's Kojima.

 

[Graphics Horse]

I agree, Madnar makes more sense... but Kojima might be trolling...

Look at it. LOOK AT IT!

http://i.imgur.com/thGCt.jpg

Marv has wrong hair colour, and looks more like Sokolov with a pair of glasses like I said earlier. Bald guy with glasses is a popular look for these science types

A medical cybernetics engineer who deals with robots / cyborgs/ prosthesis actually makes sense to work in hospital, rather than a biologist who invents energy sources.

 

[Omikaru]

Judgin by the 54 pages here, people are excited bout this. but despite some speculation on Neogaf, I dont see the point of pretending its not MGS V. So a little down the way they will admit it is in fact MGS? So what was the point in pretending it wasn't? To me it seems pointless. A strange attempt at viral marketing that ultimately doesn't really matter.

Well, it made the game the talk of the VGAs, so you know, I think it's done the job it set out to do.

 

[Net_Wrecker]

Judgin by the 54 pages here, people are excited bout this. but despite some speculation on Neogaf, I dont see the point of pretending its not MGS V. So a little down the way they will admit it is in fact MGS? So what was the point in pretending it wasn't? To me it seems pointless. A strange attempt at viral marketing that ultimately doesn't really matter.

Because it's fun and memorable. Years from now people will still be referencing The Phantom Pain reveal in viral marketing threads. It's just Kojima having fun with his crazy universe and managing to keep things fresh. Sure it isn't a great trailer, but it's different.

 

[Deleted member 81567]

It might be a new IP

 

[phosphor112]

Marv has wrong hair colour, and looks more like Sokolov with a pair of glasses like I said earlier. Bald guy with glasses is a popular look for these science types

Marv's hair could have gone grey...

It wouldn't match. Snake eater happens years and years before Metal Gear. Sokolov was old in MGS3, and 6 years older in Portable Ops. He was also a rocket scientist.

Damn Kojima.

...

Also, not sure if posted...

Spoiler?... Two Phantoms?: http://i.imgur.com/37PlC.jpg

 

[Graphics Horse]

It wouldn't match. Snake eater happens years and years before Metal Gear. Sokolov was old in MGS3

No I'm just using Sokolov as an example of why a physical similarity doesn't mean much.

But I'm totally confused because you swapped madnar and marv around in your original post since I quoted it.

Madnar after letting his hair grow out:

 

[Arozay]

Personally I wouldn't have cared about this game/trailer if it wasn't MGS related, and even then it's just my curiosity of checking back and seeing where the clusterfuck of a franchise ended up/is leading to. Don't see how this was effective marketing for anyone not familiar with the source.

Can't wait to read the eventual Kojima articles with explanatory psychobabble and 'final MGS game'™.

 

[phosphor112]

No I'm just using Sokolov as an example of why a physical similarity doesn't mean much.

But I'm totally confused because you swapped madnar and marv around in your original post since I quoted it.

Madnar after letting his hair grow out:

Yeah, my original thought was Madnar... but Marv looks more like him. But then again, as I said, Madnar would make more sense.

 

[Wario64]

OP is missing this clue:

@MikeMcWhertor 7:12 PM
Joakim Mogren. Mogren is a football club in Montenegro. Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance opens in Montenegro.

 

[Crunch2600]

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/j53jdm
So, this is Project Ogre right? Does Ogre appear in this trailer?

 

[Crunch2600]

OP is missing this clue:

@MikeMcWhertor 7:12 PM
Joakim Mogren. Mogren is a football club in Montenegro. Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance opens in Montenegro.

The football club itself, founded in 2006, is named after a famous beach in Budva, Montenegro where they're based. If anywhere, it comes from that beach.

 

[Graphics Horse]

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/j53jdm
So, this is Project Ogre right? Does Ogre appear in this trailer?

Ogre translates from Oni, which can mean Ogre, Demon, Devil, Spirit, so possibly.

 

[Ether_Snake]

It's definitely not after MG1, come on guys. Unless the character shown will be replaced by the real character model in the real-game (older Big Boss).

 

[Lord Error]

Looking back at some of the initial posts, I'm amused by some people's negative response to the idea of a disabled character and the gameplay element of crawling. Perhaps it speaks to how spoiled we are to basically superpowered avatars.

I wouldn't overthink it. People loved the crawling part in MGS4 or the intro in UC2 where you can barely walk. Not everyone cares about superpower characters all the time.

 

[Riposte]

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/j53jdm
So, this is Project Ogre right? Does Ogre appear in this trailer?

Kojima cracks me up so hard. AS IF THAT CLEARS ANYTHING UP.

 

[les papillons sexuels]

Looking back at some of the initial posts, I'm amused by some people's negative response to the idea of a disabled character and the gameplay element of crawling. Perhaps it speaks to how spoiled we are to basically superpowered avatars.

EDIT: Although I think EatChildren is right to contextualize some of the responses in that manner.

I'm more amused by how quickly opinions changed once kojima's name was attached to the title. The "gameplay" looked like garbage regardless of who was behind the game, why the sudden shift in opinion?

 

[Radec]

Imagine if this is not metal great, but just a metal gear copy cat.

 

[Kazuma Kiryu]

Yes...."incredibly small"

Incredibly small......

As a standalone game, a trailer like this made no sense, was poorly paced and weirdly cut.

As a Metal Gear game however, it made perfect sense. Hence the twist in sentiment in this thread.

It's not exactly rocket science, not sure what you're trying to prove here.

i don't think it's that hard to understand really.
the trailer was confusing, i didn't understand what was going on with all the questions and weird shots, it didn't make any sense to me, how the hell was that supposed to be a good showing of a new IP? the game looked interesting, the trailer without context is just bad.
when you clearly see snake on the floor by the end (that was when i noticed it was a mgs game) the whole thing clicks, it's just kojima playing with everyone.

 

[les papillons sexuels]

i don't think it's that hard to understand really.
the trailer was confusing, i didn't understand what was going on with all the questions and weird shots, it didn't make any sense to me, how the hell was that supposed to be a good showing of a new IP? the game looked interesting, the trailer without context is just bad.
when you clearly see snake on the floor by the end (that was when i noticed it was a mgs game) the whole thing clicks, it's just kojima playing with everyone.

alright, I'll bite. So the whole thing clicks right? go ahead explain everything to me.

 

[The Spoony Hou]

Hey, guys, didn't Kojima promise some industry shaking news some months ago? Did he ever say what it was? Not that I really expect anything great.

 

[Kazuma Kiryu]

alright, I'll bite. So the whole thing clicks right? go ahead explain everything to me.

it clicks WHY it's so cryptic, it's a mgs trailer.

 

[les papillons sexuels]

it clicks WHY it's so cryptic, it's a mgs trailer.

so then nothing changes, the gameplay still looks like garbage, the trailer still doesn't make sense. Context is all that has changed? in essence, nothing clicks, you just dont mind it now because you see kojima as some kind of gaming prophet and this as one of his cryptic parables.

I get that the producer and developer matter, but it shouldn't matter that much over the product. This is one of the reasons why the gaming industry and gaming journalism is suffering a sad death, we're getting so tied up with the name attached to the game that we can't look past the glaring faults of what we're being presented with. It seems like no one is objective anymore, pedigree is important, but dont blind yourself by it.

 

[The Last One]

Hey, guys, didn't Kojima promise some industry shaking news some months ago? Did he ever say what it was? Not that I really expect anything great.

Ground Zeroes trailer I guess.

 

[Astral]

so then nothing changes, the gameplay still looks like garbage, the trailer still doesn't make sense. Context is all that has changed? in essence, nothing clicks, you just dont mind it now because you see kojima as some kind of gaming prophet and this as one of his cryptic parables.

I get that the producer and developer matter, but it shouldn't matter that much over the product. This is one of the reasons why the gaming industry and gaming journalism is suffering a sad death, we're getting so tied up with the name attached to the game that we can't look past the glaring faults of what we're being presented with. It seems like no one is objective anymore, pedigree is important, but dont blind yourself by it.

You act as if the entire game will consist of crawling and stumbling around. Even if this was a completely different game, showing a guy crawling around doesn't necessarily mean the entire game will be garbage. It only means the trailer is garbage for not showing any good gameplay.

 

[Callibretto]

guys, maybe this really is new IP, but have some similar character to Metal Gear as a nod or marketing purposes, you know, like Meryl from policenauts and stuff from Snatcher made their way into Metal Gear, even though they're totally different IP and universe is connected...

 

[les papillons sexuels]

You act as if the entire game will consist of crawling and stumbling around. Even if this was a completely different game, showing a guy crawling around doesn't necessarily mean the entire game will be garbage. It only means the trailer is garbage for not showing any good gameplay.

no, I act as if the gameplay presented to us in the trailer looked like garbage, nothing more, since nothing else was shown. If all we have to go off of is the content from the trailer then so be it. What i wont do is act as if there is some deep hidden meaning behind what we have been presented with just because kojima's name is attached to the title. I wont make excuses for how poorly edited the trailer was and how poor the gameplay looked on behalf of someone who should be able to do that himself.