I think what we're finding out here is that you can attempt both but you're going to fail at both unless you put a focus on 1 or the other. The classic jack of all trades but master of none saying. What frustrates us (Gaf) is that most of the time they pick the shooter side because they think it'll sell more like that.
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GAF, is Xenoblade getting snubbed?
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I think what we're finding out here is that you can attempt both but you're going to fail at both unless you put a focus on 1 or the other. The classic jack of all trades but master of none saying. What frustrates us (Gaf) is that most of the time they pick the shooter side because they think it'll sell more like that.
Japanese developers these days have a weird (but not necessarily unjustified or unreasonable) inferiority complex these days, especially when it comes to comparisons with the West.
One one of the major reasons Xenoblade got so much attention and positive reaction in this country was BECAUSE it wasn't yet another major Western RPG. It was a refreshing look back at classic JRPGs with some new twists from the West thrown in for good measure along with one of the more creative and colorful worlds we've seen in an RPG in a while. What it did was help show that there's still room for growth and innovation in the old JRPG genre. There are a few other games that have been released in the last couple years that have also done the same, but I think it's fair to say that Xenoblade was by far the most polished of the bunch.
I'm looking forward to seeing what Takahashi and team learned from this "experiment."
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
That's just how the internet is with things that don't get media attention. If you can't filter out the nutjobs... well, that's a shitty problem to have, I suppose.
Then again, if it's shooting discussion of an entire genre in the knees then that's a bigger problem than I figured.
Well then, I guess Sonic Generations is my GOTY.
Ha well I wasn't going to vote for it but when I saw it was eligible it just felt wrong to put anything else there.
Elfforkusu
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gamergirly
Member
Can you eat your cake and have it too?
BassForever
Member
Game writers don't have good taste confirmed
Meccanical
Member
You can if you have two cakes.
gamergirly
Member
Not if you have one game. Cant sell it and keep it
Meccanical
Member
You can sell it and pirate it online.
gamergirly
Member
You cant be legit and illegal at the same time. Same philosphy
we.are.the.armada
Member
Is there arguably a "best" LP of this game?
captmorgan
Banned
Why not? Two non-games have won GOTY.
How many people have played it doesn't matter unless the award is "Most Played Game". Why do people keep bringing this up?
Try picking up a copy now, too
thetrin
Hail, peons, for I have come as ambassador from the great and bountiful Blueberry Butt Explosion
Mass Effect is nowhere in the same realm as Star Trek.
Not that many people played it and let's be honest here: who doesn't get the feeling that mainstream game critics don't care much for jrpgs?
I could see a return to form of Final Fantasy winning over western rpgs or the newest game in the souls series which is anything but a traditional jrpg.
I remember a video on gametrailers where they were discussing the 2012 year so far and the consensus was that it was a boring/crappy year. One guy said that Xenoblade was his goty at that point and everyone else went... (I don't think anyone else even played the freaking thing which is insane giving that we were at the end of august or beginning of september). Imo it just prove that most mainstream critics in the west couldn't care less for jrpgs. Ni No Kuni better be amazing to even be remembered at the end of 2013.
I could see a return to form of Final Fantasy winning over western rpgs or the newest game in the souls series which is anything but a traditional jrpg.
I remember a video on gametrailers where they were discussing the 2012 year so far and the consensus was that it was a boring/crappy year. One guy said that Xenoblade was his goty at that point and everyone else went... (I don't think anyone else even played the freaking thing which is insane giving that we were at the end of august or beginning of september). Imo it just prove that most mainstream critics in the west couldn't care less for jrpgs.
Ni No Kuni better be amazing to even be remembered at the end of 2013.
Newsbreak
"Journalists" hate nintendo.
Seriously accorsing to them "experts" Nintendo never made any game that was remotely good and is already third party or bankrupt
Also the real story is that the superior RPG Last Story doesbt even get mentioned..
So yeah I stopped caring about GOTYs ages ago and Im reaffirmed every year
"Journalists" hate nintendo.
Seriously accorsing to them "experts" Nintendo never made any game that was remotely good and is already third party or bankrupt
Also the real story is that the superior RPG Last Story doesbt even get mentioned..
So yeah I stopped caring about GOTYs ages ago and Im reaffirmed every year
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thetrin
Hail, peons, for I have come as ambassador from the great and bountiful Blueberry Butt Explosion
Hilarious that it came from two people with Star Trek avatars. Guess it's obvious what we think of Star Trek!
Elfforkusu
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<obligatory Gaur Plain post>
Doctor Decimate
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and yet it gets no nominations for best music, anywhere
This is by far my favorite piece of music in the game.
Demon Lizardman
Banned
I think we can all agree that ME3 did not deserve RPG of the year right guys?
Meccanical
Member
It didn't deserve anything of the year.
DXB-KNIGHT
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I don't care about mainstream gaming media since it became obsolete once I discovered GAF. Xenoblade is one of my favorite RPGs and I'm happy that a traditional JRPG exists on a last generation consoles since most of were awful except for a few very very few, I'm speaking less than five fingers few.
i agree, and it's really saying something, because there are other tracks i deem fantastic. this is just so alien, but it's beautiful and fits the game too.
beyond good & evil has a wonderful piece of music, home sweet home. i consider mechonis fields a very close second, or even its equal.
Dark Octave
Banned
Ok fine, I'll go ahead and say what you two are too afraid to say. It's better than Star Trek.
Are you happy now?
IrishNinja
Member
first time ive heard this opinion - what'd you like better about TLS? (ive yet to play either)
this sounded kinda phantasy star-esque to me, now i really wanna bump this up in queue
Head of Vengarl
Banned
I think the problem is that it isn't "new." If it had been released like a normal game — that is, all regions within the same year, instead of being spread out over a three year period — it would have made more of an impact. To the majority, Xenoblade is either old news or they have never heard of/played it.
And really guys, calling Xenoblade overrated?
Name me a better RPG for the Wii. It earned the praise.
And really guys, calling Xenoblade overrated?
Name me a better RPG for the Wii. It earned the praise.
Wow, this reminds me of Saturn music, like something out of Astal maybe. I bailed on the game before getting to this point and the parts of the soundtrack I've heard were kinda blah, any more stuff like this in the game?
As much as I want Xenoblade to win as many awards as possible, given that these types of awards are pretty much popularity contests it will probably never win awards in the west because it's in the... is there a term for anti-zeitgeist?
But what offends me most is not Xenoblade being snubbed, but the fact that Mass Effect 3, a game with barely -if not any- mechanical RPG parts won. Where the fuck is Torchlight 2? That should've won RPG of the year if not Xenoblade. I'd even take Diablo 3 for Christ's sake, because that's actually an RPG.
But what offends me most is not Xenoblade being snubbed, but the fact that Mass Effect 3, a game with barely -if not any- mechanical RPG parts won. Where the fuck is Torchlight 2? That should've won RPG of the year if not Xenoblade. I'd even take Diablo 3 for Christ's sake, because that's actually an RPG.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
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Compared to the competition listed, I guess. I didn't think it was that good though.
I know ill be alone with this but i said it day one with its japanese releaseI think the problem is that it isn't "new." If it had been released like a normal game that is, all regions within the same year, instead of being spread out over a three year period it would have made more of an impact. To the majority, Xenoblade is either old news or they have never heard of/played it.
And really guys, calling Xenoblade overrated?
Name me a better RPG for the Wii. It earned the praise.
Last story
Only for the Wii huh. Isn't that a little unfair since the praise usually isn't just "It's the best RPG for the Wii." instead it's more along the lines of "It's the best RPG of this generation, if not of all time."
Platinumstorm
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I've nominated it for my game of the year awards. I'm a nobody, but maybe it will make you feel good. If you care enough you can see if I pick it when I reveal my winners on New Years Eve, and you can vote for my best screenshot of the year too if you feel really ambitious [you'll have to register an account]. At the least it will make me feel warm and fuzzy. =D
http://www.thekots.com/index.php?topic=1377.msg4624;topicseen#new
http://www.thekots.com/index.php?topic=1377.msg4624;topicseen#new
Night_Trekker
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I adore Xenoblade (and it annoys me to no end that it, of course, has been overlooked in favor of "true next-gen games"), but the praise it gets/has gotten really is a little much.
Of course, anyone who hasn't played Xenoblade should get on that. (Looking at you, IrishNinja.)
We support the sites by making threads about their linkbait. Then the websites can survive to create more linkbait for us to talk about.
It's the circle of life.
Of course, anyone who hasn't played Xenoblade should get on that. (Looking at you, IrishNinja.)
We support the sites by making threads about their linkbait. Then the websites can survive to create more linkbait for us to talk about.
It's the circle of life.
Trying to name a better RPG for the Wii is an awfully low bar to set! What's more apt is a better JRPG in recent years, and while there's others I really liked (and if we're throwing in Demon's Souls/Dark Souls I actually DO have two at least I consider superior) it's still amongst the top 5 this generation, and the best of new US releases this year.