Isn't the Wii U a peripheral to the average mainstream 'gamer'? The price is far higher than the Sony peripheral hence why said mainstream 'gamer' hasn't purchased many Wii U's (or Wonderbooks for that matter!)
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PAL Charts - Week 51, 2012
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pieatorium
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I wonder if there will be any legal ramifications between Sony and Nintendo.
You know since the WiiU has Uncharted
You know since the WiiU has Uncharted
Gianni Merryman
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At the moment I haven't got any source handy - aside from something I've read just a week ago or so on GAF - I can't remember where though, where it apperared GC was outsold by a large margin by Xbox in UK, in fact GC bombed there, confirming what I gathered back then -, but as for France I can tell you that when I say that I consider it as Nintendo's European stronghold, I'm basing that on all the things I've read on magazines and on the web throughout years since N64/GC era, besides in present times you can have a look yourself at French top 4 in previous PAL charts threads and then compare those chars with UK charts, I am pretty positive that pretty much every time all Nintendo IPs - Mario, Mario kart, Zelda, etc. - chart higher in France than UK or Germany - even though Germany is a much more Nintendo-friendly country than UK.
radioheadrule83
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I wonder if there will be any legal ramifications between Sony and Nintendo.
You know since the WiiU has Uncharted
b-dm-tsh!
That was actually quite good ha
Psychotext
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Is the new top 40 out yet?
Ahh, here they are:
http://www.chart-track.co.uk/index.jsp?c=p/software/uk/latest/index_test.jsp&ct=110015
http://www.chart-track.co.uk/index.jsp?c=p/software/uk/latest/index_test.jsp&ct=110032
Edit - Wow, Wii U didn't even manage a single title in the Individual Formats chart this time.
Ahh, here they are:
http://www.chart-track.co.uk/index.jsp?c=p/software/uk/latest/index_test.jsp&ct=110015
http://www.chart-track.co.uk/index.jsp?c=p/software/uk/latest/index_test.jsp&ct=110032
Edit - Wow, Wii U didn't even manage a single title in the Individual Formats chart this time.
pieatorium
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radioheadrule83
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The install base is stupidly low for the whole of Europe, probably less than the initial opening weekends of Wii/PS3/3DS/Vita et al in the UK alone. As much as people aren't buying, Nintendo simply haven't shipped that much. Like the two new handhelds, I wouldn't expect to see games charting for a while. It might get a little easier for that to happen in the early new year lull, but I wouldn't count on it.
Psychotext
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Yeah, but Nintendoland should be charting on bundle sales alone. The hardware sales must be horrific at the moment.
shinra-bansho
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The statement implied some sort of information about the actualy absolute LTDs of the GameCube in the UK, France and/or other regions.
The GameCube bombed in the UK, but the reality of the situation is that it essentially bombed everywhere (as did the XBOX) steamrolled by the PS2 juggernaut. They shipped a lifetime total of 4.77M units to "Other" which would include UK and continental Europe; so I can't imagine it didn't also bomb in France and other European countries.
A stronghold of the sense that people are suggesting would, to me, imply the ability to buck the surrounding trend.
Then, again (and again and again and again I ask), where and when are they shipping 5.5M units by March 31st 2013.
radioheadrule83
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They will indeed be horrific.. but my point was more that even if they were selling everything in the channel, I still think they'd find it difficult to chart. The post-Christmas lull is going to start in earnest soon as well, New Years / Sales activity might sustain some decent sales in the rest of the market, but things go through the floor from here on out (relatively) - so it's not going to get any better any time soon.
The guardian split is largely unsurprising too.. interesting that WWE 13 on U is a percentage point higher in share than the likes of COD or Just Dance, that's not normally something I'd expect... Sonic seems like he's still at home on Nintendo platforms
pieatorium
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well that would mean the three charting vita games are all over 4.5k at least since we know Halo is ~40k and NFS Vita is over 10% of a higher charting game
pieatorium
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Thays Wii not WiiU
Graphics Horse
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16 (15) Sonic & All Stars Racing Transformed (7+)
Xbox 360 (46)
PS3 (30)
Wii U (14)
VITA (10)
'closing the gap'
Xbox 360 (46)
PS3 (30)
Wii U (14)
VITA (10)
'closing the gap'
radioheadrule83
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The first million milestone is going to be coming from North America. Proportionally speaking, NA and Japan do seem more of a priority to them... but the rest? I don't know. I honestly don't see them doing it. They've over-promised and even if they ship that many, they'll under-deliver on the sales side unless something miraculous happens.
shinra-bansho
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I don't see them doing it either, but that was their stated intent. Presumably they have the supply to meet that target. Ergo I just don't see how there could be supply constraint.
That's enough supply for Wii-level sell-through for launch (the Wii racked up over 2.7M units in the US, JPN and EU) and through to March - and we're most certainly not seeing Wii-level sell through.
Graphics Horse
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They were thinking New Controller + NSMB. I doubt the 5.5m target will still be there beyond January.
radioheadrule83
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They 'will' have the supply to meet that target, they don't necessarily have it all in the channel right now, and they won't necessarily be shipping a large proportion of that to Europe. To put this in perspective, after a month on sale, the whole of Europe has less Wii Us in owners hands than the Gamecube and the Wii had in their opening 2 days in the UK alone. Demand is sure as shit low, because you can walk into a shop and buy one right now if you want, but the supply and indeed the entire push in Europe is quite obviously nowhere near comparative levels. Retailers aren't sitting on warehouses full of Wii Us, we'd be seeing even more bulk discounting and hearing even more alarm bells if they were.
I think they've been fire fighting since 2010 to be honest...
They clearly weren't big enough to handle the demand of developing for both 3DS and Wii U. I think I read in another thread that they did make acquisitions and open new studios last year? Too late really, but we should see the fruits of that at some point.
I think the biggest impact has come from trying to launch much earlier than the competition on both fronts. We were hearing about the PSP successor for the better part of 2 years, and the announcement of 3DS came like a bolt out of the blue, while DS lite and DSi were still doing crazy numbers... They pushed 3DS out of the door with incomplete firmware and a roster of N64 ports that were in actuality, completed by outside companies... it took some time before Vita came along and we got MK7, SM3D Land and NSMB2, and games from partners like RE:R.
The Wii U seems similar... it's like they felt the best chance of making their 'staggered generation' idea work was to launch a year or more before the competition. The consequence of course is that it takes a long time to develop quality HD software, and although they have had a decent launch day lineup (IMO) - they have left themselves open to hype sapping reports due to more mistakes made while rushing it, and they are so neurotic about the announcements for successor consoles that they are keeping their true big guns firmly under wraps... a strategy that is clearly not working for them at the moment.
I'm hoping Sony's February event brings some megatons to be honest, because I don't think we're going to hear about Nintendo's post-Pikmin first party goods until the competition make some kind of move.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
So, realistically we could be seeing WiiU sales less than 4k last week, perhaps even considerably so?
Can't believe that supply constraints are even being mentioned when Zavvi cut a deal with Nintendo to clear excess stock at a slashed price already. The stock is there for better sales, just very few people want this box right now. Nintendo doesnt seem to have a solution as to shifting them either. How theyve achieved this with billions in the bank to spend on expansion, better hardware, quality advertising, funding more third party projects and more is just astonishing.
Can't believe that supply constraints are even being mentioned when Zavvi cut a deal with Nintendo to clear excess stock at a slashed price already. The stock is there for better sales, just very few people want this box right now. Nintendo doesnt seem to have a solution as to shifting them either. How theyve achieved this with billions in the bank to spend on expansion, better hardware, quality advertising, funding more third party projects and more is just astonishing.
Gianni Merryman
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Super Mario U charting higher than NintendoLand in UK implies that either:
1) Vanilla Wii U is selling better than Premium bundles
2) Premium bundles have not been tracked
3) Someone who has already purchased a Wii U has bought a Mario U copy later on
4) People buy NSMB regardless of whether they get the premium or the basic
radioheadrule83
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I'd say more than likely a few thousand, yes.
What you want people to believe is that Nintendo shipped a completely normal launch (100k launch week for example) and failed, but the truth is, they shipped maybe a quarter of that initially and the volume of their European launch in its entirety is a fraction of what previous UK launches have been. "to clear excess stock" is entirely supposition on your part. They sold a few hundred at a discount price on their ebay outlet. Probably to raise awareness in their brand if nothing else. Context is important.
Graphics Horse
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It's likely a mix of 3 and 4
4) People buy NSMB regardless of whether they get the premium or the basic.
They were already selling neck and neck before this week, but I guess it's interesting that it's outselling nintendoland now.
edit: it's mostly 3) as they were only neck and neck last week (value charts), NSMBU has been rising and NL is falling.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Super Mario U charting higher than NintendoLand in UK implies that either:
1) Vanilla Wii U is selling better than Premium bundles
2) Premium bundles have not been tracked
3) Someone who has already purchased a Wii U has bought a Mario U copy later on
If you want NintendoLand, youre going to purchase the premium, if you don't and want to save cash/adore white, its basic. Basic and Premium owners both grab NSMBU, higher sales.
Retailers are not happy. Nintendo has about as bad a problem at this point as you could ever get with a console launch this disastrous.
To know that we have to sum NL + ZOMBI U premium bundles results, as well as to know the ratio shipment between premiums and basic.
Super Mario U charting higher than NintendoLand in UK implies that either:
1) Vanilla Wii U is selling better than Premium bundles
Gianni Merryman
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Good point I was missing, edited my post accordingly.
By the way for all we know Premium bundle is outselling Vanilla Wii Us, so those numbers for Mario U - even higher than NintendoLand - are quite impressive if compared to its userbase.
radioheadrule83
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Forgive me if I don't take tory boy's second hand word as gospel. It would be more interesting, in any case, to know how regular retailers, GAME, and the likes of Amazon feel about it rather than how Zavvi feel about a 500 allotment, don't you think?
Graphics Horse
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Would anyone have guessed that the uDraw tablet (xbox and wii versions) would be in the top 100 Amazon bestsellers while the Wii U console doesn't feature?
From all I've read that sounds like it's the case. Technically a system seller, just not a hugely demanded one.
From all I've read that sounds like it's the case. Technically a system seller, just not a hugely demanded one.
Clay Davis
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deserves its own thread. someone get on it.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Well I don't take our blue leaning UK GAF cohort's opinion as gospel on all things either, but as far as direct communication goes I don't think he's become some sort of compulsive liar either, perhaps just reads a little too much into economic data of other kinds and extrapolates passionately and too strongly entire UK trends from there.
But here you have the one retailer that had its own exclusive WiiU bundle already getting pissy. GAME will be happy to just be alive and have stock of anything game related after last year, and Amazon's relationship with Nintendo isn't a rosy one anyway, but their INFINITE SPACE WAREHOUSES model isn't the kind of thing to be affected or worry about. Oh and the supermarkets all clearly dont give a shit about it/Nintendo didn't bother to do a good job putting marketing materials out there/actually hiring human beings to do necessary jobs with all that money they hoard for a rainy day/going third party.
But here you have the one retailer that had its own exclusive WiiU bundle already getting pissy. GAME will be happy to just be alive and have stock of anything game related after last year, and Amazon's relationship with Nintendo isn't a rosy one anyway, but their INFINITE SPACE WAREHOUSES model isn't the kind of thing to be affected or worry about. Oh and the supermarkets all clearly dont give a shit about it/Nintendo didn't bother to do a good job putting marketing materials out there/actually hiring human beings to do necessary jobs with all that money they hoard for a rainy day/going third party.
Clay Davis
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Sho_Nuff82
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In what context do you shave 75 pounds off the price of a newly released console? 25k launch shipment is ridiculous compared to the estimates we had here.
Captain Smoker
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Wow the US has nothing til the end of Feb. Only because they already got all those titles, but still...
The Eshop should of been up and running to cover these periods.
....and they still couldn't sell out. Assuming that the 25k number was accurate (I have my doubts).
B.O.M.B.A.
shinra-bansho
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Constraint implies its a limiting factor.
Nothing in your scenario indicates that the poor sales are a supply-side issue.
If retailers aren't ordering in stock it's because they have sufficient supply and there is insufficient demand to do so.
Also why shouldn't one expect a large proportion of launch shipment to flow to Europe. The combined markets rival the US market in size. The Wii obviously got a reasonably large allotment to Europe selling-through 700K in the month following launch.
radioheadrule83
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Are you suggesting the Wii U has had a similar allotment to the Wii? Because it hasn't.
I'm not implying supply constraint, I'm implying low quantity, soft launch - AND poor demand. The poor demand makes their launch look bad obviously -- worse than bad, even -- but this is not a traditional launch in the UK market in terms of raw, basic numbers, that much is undeniable.
As for supply skew across the different territories: the vague numbers we have as they stand are telling us that in the US they have sold something like 3-4 times as many HW units as in Europe, and media create shows us that Japan is handedly outdoing European territories like the UK too. That is either as a result of consumer tendencies towards the product, shipment priority, or both. The US will likely hit 2m before Europe gets its first... it will be a long time before it hits such a milestone in the UK.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
If 25k was the inital shipment, they were receiving at least another 25k if not 50k the Sunday after Friday launch just after potential high street "sell outs". Except it didn't sell out at all to grab those headlines in earnest, and the tightrope of making money instead of hype decision had already been made to be stopped in time for anything.
Its only one of those things. A launch with a genuine Mario game is no soft launch, and the stock numbers are there, just not shifting.
I don't remember plenty of Wonderbook threads here.
Compare that to the daily IGN articles we got between 2007 and 2008...
Huh no offense but that doesn't mean at all that a proper analogy would be ps3 vs Wiifit at all.
Also I'd wait for more than the last december rush to wait before saying anything has any kind of legs.
For example, Iwata went on record to say that their ever greens usually took 8 weeks to really take off (and they were talking about summer release like WiiSportResort).
If anything 3DS market is more important for NoE than WiiU and I don't think there's any kind of longterm plan for Wonderbook at all (the thing marketing tried to pass of as some Harry Potter stuffs, seriously that has more of a chance of being a hit than the other fanboy bait or their dead handheld).
So far I wouldn't predict a turnaround on the WiiU at this pricepoint with this software with no more announcements than what we know.
I'd say it's heading better than Gamecube but worse than n64.
radioheadrule83
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Get me a source for stock levels other than some random Gaffer's mate in Zavvi and we can have a sensible discussion
pieatorium
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We don't have any EU numbers so I'm not sure how you get this we had som rumours of FR > UK for launch week i believe as well as a mentio of 40k for UK launch week. even selling more poorly than those two the rest of EU should make up more than the amount needed to be a better ratio than 1/3 or 1/4 of US' 400kish first week.
It is doing much better comparatively in Japan but the second part about US getting 2million before EU getting one is a huge call to make before we see how it follows up in the december sales for US
Psychotext
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Why do the stock levels really matter? We know two things for certain.
1: The machine is readily available in online and high street stores (in both premium and basic guises). If there were any temporary shortages, there aren't any more.
2: It's not selling.
shinra-bansho
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I'm not privy to Nintendo's shipment figures as yet. Nor is anyone else. I'm suggesting that to reach their fiscal year target then a substantial number of launch units need be shipped to Europe - in the million range. Because it's a huge market, and without it they aren't getting anywhere near target.
I'm not sure where you derive your multipliers from regarding ratios to the US and Japan.
Nordic Charts for Week 51
Sweden
01./07. [WII] Just Dance 4
02./10. [360] Halo 4
03./03. [PS3] FIFA 13
04./02. [WII] Just Dance 4
05./06. [360] FIFA 13
06./RE. [PS3] Gran Turismo 5 Academy Edition
07./09. [PS3] Call of Duty Black Ops 2
08./14. [3DS] New Super Mario Bros. 2
09./11. [PS3] NHL 13
10./RE. [PC] Sims 3 Seasons
11./05. [WII] Skylander Giants Starter Pack
12./18. [360] Call of Duty Black Ops 2
13./08. [PS3] Lego Lord of the Rings
14./04. [360] Assassin's Creed 3
15./13. [PC] World of Warcraft Game Card
16./01. [PS3] Assassin's Creed 3
17./17. [PS3] Far Cry 3
18./15. [360] Lego Lord of the Rings
19./16. [360] NHL 13
20./12. [WII] Lego Lord of the Rings
Norway
01./01. [PS3] FIFA 13
02./02. [PS3] Call of Duty Black Ops 2
03./05. [PS3] Far Cry 3
04./04. [3DS] New Super Mario Bros. 2
05./10. [PS3] PlayStation Network Voucher 200
06./10. [PS3] Need for Speed Most Wanted
07./06. [PS3] Lego Lord of the Rings
08./19. [PS3] Assassin's Creed 3
09./11. [360] Far Cry 3
10./16. [360] Halo 4
11./17. [PC] Football Manager 2013
12./13. [WII] Just Dance 4
13./08. [PS3] Skylanders Giants Starter Pack
14./09. [WII] Skylanders Giants Starter Pack
15./07. [PS3] Assassin's Creed 3
16./14. [360] FIFA 13
17./18. [WIU] New Super Mario Bros. U
18./20. [PS3] Disney Epic Mickey 2: The Power of Two
19./RE. [PS3] Live Card 400
20./15. [WII] Disney Epic Mickey 2: The Power of Two
Finland
01./01. [PS3] Singstar Suomihuiput
02./02. [PS3] NHL 13
03./03. [PS3] Call of Duty Black Ops 2
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05./05. [PS3] Angry Birds Trilogy
06./07. [PS3] Book of Spells
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08./15. [PS3] Sports Champion 2
09./19. [PS3] Gran Turismo 5 Academy Ediiton
10./12. [PS3] Ratchet & Clank QForce
11./RE. [PS3] PlayStation Network Card 20 Euro
12./16. [3DS] New Super Mario Bros. 2
13./13. [360] NHL 13
14./11. [PS3] FIFA 13
15./10. [PS3] Assassin's Creed 3
16./RE. [360] Halo 4
17./09. [PS3] Lego Lord of the Rings
18./14. [PS3] Far Cry 3
19./08. [PS3] Singstar Suomihuiput + Langattomat Mikit
20./20. [360] Angry Birds Trilogy
Denmark
01./01. [PS3] FIFA 13
02./02. [WII] Just Dance 4
03./05. [PS3] Call of Duty Black Ops 2
04./04. [WII] Just Dance 4
05./06. [PS3] Assassin's Creed 3
06./08. [PS3] Far Cry 3
07./03. [WII] Skylanders Giants Starter Pack
08./09. [PS3] Need for Speed Most Wanted
09./11. [PS3] Lego Lord of the Rings
10./14. [3DS] New Super Mario Bros. 2
11./07. [PS3] Skylanders Giants Starter Pack
12./12. [PC] Football Manager 2013
13./13. [360] Far Cry 3
14./RE. [PS3] Hitman Absolution
15./15. [PC] Assassin's Creed 3
16./10. [PS3] Assassin's Creed 3
17./19. [PC] Call of Duty Black Ops 2
18./RE. [PC] World of Warcraft Game Card
19./20. [PC] World of Warcraft Mists of Pandaria
20./17. [PS3] FIFA 13 Bonus Edition
Sweden
01./07. [WII] Just Dance 4
02./10. [360] Halo 4
03./03. [PS3] FIFA 13
04./02. [WII] Just Dance 4
05./06. [360] FIFA 13
06./RE. [PS3] Gran Turismo 5 Academy Edition
07./09. [PS3] Call of Duty Black Ops 2
08./14. [3DS] New Super Mario Bros. 2
09./11. [PS3] NHL 13
10./RE. [PC] Sims 3 Seasons
11./05. [WII] Skylander Giants Starter Pack
12./18. [360] Call of Duty Black Ops 2
13./08. [PS3] Lego Lord of the Rings
14./04. [360] Assassin's Creed 3
15./13. [PC] World of Warcraft Game Card
16./01. [PS3] Assassin's Creed 3
17./17. [PS3] Far Cry 3
18./15. [360] Lego Lord of the Rings
19./16. [360] NHL 13
20./12. [WII] Lego Lord of the Rings
Norway
01./01. [PS3] FIFA 13
02./02. [PS3] Call of Duty Black Ops 2
03./05. [PS3] Far Cry 3
04./04. [3DS] New Super Mario Bros. 2
05./10. [PS3] PlayStation Network Voucher 200
06./10. [PS3] Need for Speed Most Wanted
07./06. [PS3] Lego Lord of the Rings
08./19. [PS3] Assassin's Creed 3
09./11. [360] Far Cry 3
10./16. [360] Halo 4
11./17. [PC] Football Manager 2013
12./13. [WII] Just Dance 4
13./08. [PS3] Skylanders Giants Starter Pack
14./09. [WII] Skylanders Giants Starter Pack
15./07. [PS3] Assassin's Creed 3
16./14. [360] FIFA 13
17./18. [WIU] New Super Mario Bros. U
18./20. [PS3] Disney Epic Mickey 2: The Power of Two
19./RE. [PS3] Live Card 400
20./15. [WII] Disney Epic Mickey 2: The Power of Two
Finland
01./01. [PS3] Singstar Suomihuiput
02./02. [PS3] NHL 13
03./03. [PS3] Call of Duty Black Ops 2
04./04. [PS3] Need for Speed Most Wanted
05./05. [PS3] Angry Birds Trilogy
06./07. [PS3] Book of Spells
07./06. [PC] Angry Birds Star Wars
08./15. [PS3] Sports Champion 2
09./19. [PS3] Gran Turismo 5 Academy Ediiton
10./12. [PS3] Ratchet & Clank QForce
11./RE. [PS3] PlayStation Network Card 20 Euro
12./16. [3DS] New Super Mario Bros. 2
13./13. [360] NHL 13
14./11. [PS3] FIFA 13
15./10. [PS3] Assassin's Creed 3
16./RE. [360] Halo 4
17./09. [PS3] Lego Lord of the Rings
18./14. [PS3] Far Cry 3
19./08. [PS3] Singstar Suomihuiput + Langattomat Mikit
20./20. [360] Angry Birds Trilogy
Denmark
01./01. [PS3] FIFA 13
02./02. [WII] Just Dance 4
03./05. [PS3] Call of Duty Black Ops 2
04./04. [WII] Just Dance 4
05./06. [PS3] Assassin's Creed 3
06./08. [PS3] Far Cry 3
07./03. [WII] Skylanders Giants Starter Pack
08./09. [PS3] Need for Speed Most Wanted
09./11. [PS3] Lego Lord of the Rings
10./14. [3DS] New Super Mario Bros. 2
11./07. [PS3] Skylanders Giants Starter Pack
12./12. [PC] Football Manager 2013
13./13. [360] Far Cry 3
14./RE. [PS3] Hitman Absolution
15./15. [PC] Assassin's Creed 3
16./10. [PS3] Assassin's Creed 3
17./19. [PC] Call of Duty Black Ops 2
18./RE. [PC] World of Warcraft Game Card
19./20. [PC] World of Warcraft Mists of Pandaria
20./17. [PS3] FIFA 13 Bonus Edition
radioheadrule83
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You're right, but it does matter in the sense that it helps paint a truer picture of the whole launch and helps explain the marketing activity or lack of.
Perhaps... I may have jumped the gun in that respect, but it could well come true. If December is higher than November in NPD (it should be, being a full month and nearer Christmas), then it could pass 1m there pretty quickly. Naturally, I don't have European numbers, just what we've heard about our own launch and the likes of France, but if the launch shipment rumours and poor sales are a case of smoke where there's fire, then its quite conceivable that right now - Europe LTD is only a 1/3 to 1/4 of where US sales are at. You're right though, we need NPD and more information before we can know that.
Yes. I mean, it's the only possible explanation.