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Rumored Chinese Forum Xbox720 specs: 8CoreCPU,8GB,HD8800GPU,W8,640GBHDD

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SlickShoesRUCrazy

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PaulLFC said:
It may not now, but if they did choose to pack it in with every console, then instantly they have a guaranteed install base (anyone who buys a 720 or whatever they'll call it), rather than (number of 360 owners - number of 360 owners that don't own Kinect). Over time, unless the console's a disaster in terms of sales they'll have a bigger install base than "Kinect 1" and more games will be developed for it because it's a standard feature rather than an extra, optional peripheral. We may see more innovation and outright better games that take advantage of Kinect 2 as well.

Personally, I'd like them to just focus on the console itself and not compromise it to be able to throw Kinect in the box, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see what they do.
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I would still bet if Microsoft packaged the Kinect, it would still end up gathering dust in most households.
 
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SapientWolf

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PaulLFC said:
It may not now, but if they did choose to pack it in with every console, then instantly they have a guaranteed install base (anyone who buys a 720 or whatever they'll call it), rather than (number of 360 owners - number of 360 owners that don't own Kinect). Over time, unless the console's a disaster in terms of sales they'll have a bigger install base than "Kinect 1" and more games will be developed for it because it's a standard feature rather than an extra, optional peripheral. We may see more innovation and outright better games that take advantage of Kinect 2 as well.

Personally, I'd like them to just focus on the console itself and not compromise it to be able to throw Kinect in the box, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see what they do.
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It's not only a factor of the install base size. The more casual Kinect owners just aren't buying games at the same rate as the rabid core gamers. Which is understandable. So why lose ground with the core to Sony if the trade-off leads to a net loss in software sales? If they can do it and still match Sony's specs and price point then they will but that doesn't seem feasible at this point.
 
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scently

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You guys are seriously overreacting to what is essentially an incorrect rumor. Calm down, Durango will be boss, if you can't believe that well....carry on.
 
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scently

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thehypocrite said:
Spill the details.
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Oh sorry, should have prefaced that by saying that I don't have any insider info, just what I feel going by what a dev and several people in the know here have said. Apart from that, applying a little bit of common sense will tell you that a lot of the details in the rumors are not correct; the least being the 3gb and 2 cores reserve for the OS.
 
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Into

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I really hope only one SKU is bundled with Kinect 2.0, the other SKU being solely for the enthusiast. Make a few Kinect games here and there, i dont mind that, ill probably even get the next Dance Central game day 1. But just do not lose focus, do not get complacent

I hope we get the Microsoft of 2005-2008 back
 
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JaggedSac

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dragonelite said:
It would be crazy actually and it would probably bite them in the ass.
Later in the generation when the trade for packing in kinect instead of more processing power. The console will show its age earlier 1.24 Tflops vs 1.84 Tflops was it. That is what 2.5 times 360 or ps 3 difference if they dont pack in specialized silicon chunks or if these rumors are true. And why should people buy something they probably aren't intending to use so they are forced to pay a extra $50 for a device they wont use.

And the people thinking kinect will be built in dont know how kinect will work unless it somehow can do time of flight calculation through wood,metal or glass for the people not wanting to expose their consoles.

Its not a well thought out concept packing in kinect or built it in.
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I agree the Kinect won't be built in, but it does not use time of flight. Your logic still stands though.
 
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PaulLFC

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Into said:
I really hope only one SKU is bundled with Kinect 2.0, the other SKU being solely for the enthusiast. Make a few Kinect games here and there, i dont mind that, ill probably even get the next Dance Central game day 1. But just do not lose focus, do not get complacent

I hope we get the Microsoft of 2005-2008 back
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I have a feeling Kinect will be an "all or nothing" scenario this time - either they'll bundle it with every console, or they won't bundle it at all. Bundling with just one SKU fragments the userbase from day 1, and since they'd probably want the "casual" SKU to be cheap, bundling Kinect with it won't help keep costs down, I wouldn't have thought.
 
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symphonask

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There's also the possibility that there won't be a Kinect 2.0, not at launch anyway. Those budget 360 SKU's aren't gonna sell themselves.
 
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thehypocrite

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scently said:
Oh sorry, should have prefaced that by saying that I don't have any insider info, just what I feel going by what a dev and several people in the know here have said. Apart from that, applying a little bit of common sense will tell you that a lot of the details in the rumors are not correct; the least being the 3gb and 2 cores reserve for the OS.
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The answer to that is that we just don't know 1 way or the other. However I have no concerns as I'm sure Durango will provide a significant spec jump in regards to the X360 and they'll have the software to make the machine sing, that's why they are investing on new studios.

Dreamgazer said:
He has none.
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Hey, you never know :p
 
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Feindflug

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thehypocrite said:
The answer to that is that we just don't know 1 way or the other. However I have no concerns as I'm sure Durango will provide a significant spec jump in regards to the X360 and they'll have the software to make the machine sing, that's why they are investing on new studios.
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Things got confusing after the DF Orbis article, a few weeks back we had Proelite & Karak saying that the next xbox will be a powerful machine, that both consoles are too close power wise and even go as far as say that some devs prefer the Durango's hardware over Orbis...then the DF Orbis article came out and all of a sudden Durango is definitely a weaker machine than the Orbis with some questionable decisions regarding the choices that MS has made and an somewhat negative vibe coming from the article on the Durango bits - do the DF guys have more recent information about the hardware and maybe Durango got nerfed? or simply Proelite & Karak had false info? I guess we have to wait and see.
 
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thuway

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Feindflug said:
Things got confusing after the DF Orbis article, a few weeks back we had Proelite & Karak saying that the next xbox will be a powerful machine, that both consoles are too close power wise and even go as far as say that some devs prefer the Durango's hardware over Orbis...then the DF Orbis article came out and all of a sudden Durango is definitely a weaker machine than the Orbis with some questionable decisions regarding the choices that MS has made and an somewhat negative vibe coming from the article on the Durango bits - do the DF guys have more recent information about the hardware and maybe Durango got nerfed? or simply Proelite & Karak had false info? I guess we have to wait and see.
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You have nothing to worry about. This machine was designed by the people who made Direct X. They chose hardware for very specific reasons. You will see in the few months ahead why.

AND- cut the shit that it is weaker. It is comparable, and has a different skill set. It is like asking a Japanese Chef and an Italian Chef to make a Burrito using what is in their own kitchen. It's not apples to apples.
 
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Ding

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Clockwork said:
I just think that's sad and is something I could never relate to.

I've always purchased just about every game console I could, not because of some ridiculous loyalty or brand preference, but because I love games.
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Well, that's a totally reasonable choice, but it assumes a certain level of disposable income that not everyone has. (For instance I used to have that, but no longer do.) In the event that one doesn't have the wherewithal to buy "everything" on the market, it's always the most convenient to stick with the ecosystem that you've been with. It's not a hard and fast rule or anything, but I think that's the tendency.

I've got a certain "investment" in the Xbox right now. Friends there, game series I like, a catalog of games, familiarity with the interface, and what have you. If the PS4 and 720 are similar in "goodness", I'll stick with the 720 (and PC) for my gaming needs. Out of inertia if nothing else. But if MS inexplicably decides to drop out of the hardware race, I and I assume my friends will gladly take our business to Sony.

But we'd rather not, that's all.

Off topic, sorry. I'll leave it at that.
 
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Gemüsepizza

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thuway said:
You have nothing to worry about. This machine was designed by the people who made Direct X. They chose hardware for very specific reasons. You will see in the few months ahead why.

AND- cut the shit that it is weaker. It is comparable, and has a different skill set. It is like asking a Japanese Chef and an Italian Chef to make a Burrito using what is in their own kitchen. It's not apples to apples.
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Bullshit. Right now those rumors say very clear that the PS4 has a GPU with 50% (!!) more processing power, while having the same architecture from the same company, it has RAM which is 3x times as fast as the one of the Xbox, and it has a dedicated compute unit for special tasks. If there are no new hints on any special hardware in the new Xbox or hints that indicate those specs are wrong, why shouldn't we assume that the Xbox is weaker?
 
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clashfan

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zaidr said:
Though its 8 core, isn't 1.6ghz kind of slow? How fast were the CELL cores on the PS3 again?
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clock speed is not a good measure of the performance power of a cpu. There are some Pentium D that are over 6 years old and have the same clock speed as Ivy Bridge processors. No one will say they are equal in performance...
 
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Hiro_Kunimi_80

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Gemüsepizza;46681035 said:
Bullshit. Right now those rumors say very clear that the PS4 has a GPU with 50% (!!) more processing power, while having the same architecture from the same company, it has RAM which is 3x times as fast as the one of the Xbox, and it has a dedicated compute unit for special tasks. If there are no new hints on any special hardware in the new Xbox or hints that indicate those specs are wrong, why shouldn't we assume that the Xbox is weaker?
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because there's like 10 different version of the rumors and you do not have proper specification of the whole system yet..

like bus/bandwidth, cpu power, how much ram / type will be used , gpu architecture/transistor/class/edram/, which kind of (if present) Hd/flash memory and disk would be used, and more important... HOW such amount of power/TF would be used..

there will be a secondary screen to handle ? an insane amount of ram would be wasted ? there will be some kind of feature mandatory like illumiroom or 3D rendering ? there will be a Kinect2 / sony clone Kinect / a different kind of hardware device to handle ?
 
Proelite

Proelite

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Until release, everyone is in for a ride. Keep expectations sufficiently low and maybe you'll enjoy the ride.

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Gemüsepizza

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Hiro_Kunimi_80 said:
because there's like 10 different version of the rumors and you do not have proper specification of the whole system yet..

like bus/bandwidth, cpu power, how much ram / type will be used , gpu architecture/transistor/class/edram/, which kind of (if present) Hd/flash memory and disk would be used, and more important... HOW such amount of power/TF would be used..

there will be a secondary screen to handle ? an insane amount of ram would be wasted ? there will be some kind of feature mandatory like illumiroom or 3D rendering ? there will be a Kinect2 / sony clone Kinect / a different kind of hardware device to handle ?
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There are parts of those rumors which are consistent, like the total amount of RAM, rough estimation of bandwidth or the amount of compute units on the GPU. This is quite indicative of what we can expect, especially when those chips virtually have the same architecture. And I didn't say "this is exactly how the final consoles will perform", it's just what we know right now. But you also can't just claim they will perform exactly the same when there isn't much or any evidence suggesting that.
 
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Verendus

Banned
The controller will hopefully remain the same. The only thing that needs improvement is the crappy D-pad and the face buttons. Aside from that, the 360 controller is top-notch. They shouldn't drastically re-design it. It would be a bad move. And I don't think it will happen either.
 
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