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[Forsete]

it isnt that simple no matter how much you make it. durango has significantly more ram.


all some of us are saying is in the real world when you have to look at all parts of a system fitting together durango may compete very well when all is said and done. it's not that crazy a hypothesis or unreasonable.

So speed doesn't matter?

Good, then I can safely recommend that Nvidia 2GB DDR3 GPU over the one with 1GB GDDR5 (more expensive). I had a friend ask me and I wasnt sure, but now its becoming clearer.

 

[stktt]

Why do some people feel so threatened by a Durango that's almost as/equal to/slight more powerful than Orbis?

It means they can't tout the superiority of their console of choice.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

So out of all the 'insiders' that have given us credible info there are none you trust?

I would say the best people to trust are Ihere and thuway who both say they are about even .
Truth is there nothing hard to believe that both set ups will have there advantages and disadvantages in certain things .

 

[Mindlog]

True, but the idiots are easy to pick out, the contrast is much higher between real devs and the rest.

Very. Similarly, Beyond3D has taken a real nose-dive as of late. Have to sift through a lot of chaff.

I would say the best people to trust are Ihere and thuway who both say they are about even .
Truth is there nothing hard to believe that both set ups will have there advantages and disadvantages in certain things .

I am fairly certain that at least one of those is not a primary source and that your trust in them actually lay elsewhere.

 

[i-Lo]

i cant think of a major technical component, eg ram, speeds, etc i'm missing at this point.

i was missing durango's custom blocks but even much of that info is now filled in.

if it's something like "kinect 2 is amazing and packed in every box!" that's different I dont consider it as technical.

Perhaps it's related to UI, online and other ancillary functions.

 

[Can Crusher]

There's still major info on both that isn't out there.

I can understand if it's about specific data on these GPUs(GCN/GCN2 for example), on Data engines and shit like that.

But it's pretty hard to believe there's silicon in there that hasn't been rumored. You would have to throw some semblance of a bone, if some were to believe you.

 

[ekim]

i cant think of a major technical component, eg ram, speeds, etc i'm missing at this point.

i was missing durango's custom blocks but even much of that info is now filled in.

if it's something like "kinect 2 is amazing and packed in every box!" "PS4 controller has biometric sensors!" that's different I dont consider it as technical.

No. It's technical.

 

[Reiko]

So speed doesn't matter?

Good, then I can safely recommend that Nvidia 2GB DDR3 GPU over the one with 1GB GDDR5 (more expensive). I had a friend ask me and I wasnt sure, but now its becoming clearer.

PC gaming isn't about specialized units, blitters, using CPU to do GPU jobs.

It's about brute fucking force and buying new cards.

That stuff is relegated to the console realm.

It's amazing how far we've come this gen with a CPU doing the grunt work of specialized tasks instead of a GPU... And suddenly it's ludicrous for another console to be doing specialized work.

 

[oversitting]

this shit needs to stop. the PS4 will be more powerful and thats it. boo fucking hoo.
no magic sauce, no wizard jizz, no gpu accelerators, stop spreading bullshit.

Lol

 

[Globox_82]

so what did this ERP guy say, I missed it.

 

[Angelus Errare]

50GB bluray discs? Games to cost $69.99 then.

Reminds me of PS3 hilariousness

OMG PS3 to use BR? LOLOLOL $70 games yo!

 

[Forsete]

Very. Similarly, Beyond3D has taken a real nose-dive as of late. Have to sift through a lot of chaff.

Same thing happened once B3D was "discovered" back when the PS3/360 battles started heating up. People posting FUD all over the place.

 

[phosphor112]

So speed doesn't matter?

Good, then I can safely recommend that Nvidia 2GB DDR3 GPU over the one with 1GB GDDR5 (more expensive). I had a friend ask me and I wasnt sure, but now its becoming clearer.

I feel you're being facetious, but just in case you aren't... get the 1gig GDDR5 gpu. GPU's are almost always bottlenecked by RAM.

 

[Can Crusher]

PC gaming isn't about specialized units, blitters, using CPU to do GPU jobs.

It's about brute fucking force and buying new cards.

That stuff is relegated to the console realm.

It's amazing how far we've come this gen with a CPU doing the grunt work of specialized tasks instead of a GPU... And suddenly it's ludicrous for another console to be doing specialized work.

People like to forget the reason why PS3 pumps out better graphics is because of non GPU hardware.

 

[Jadedx]

i dont care which one is more powerful.
we have the leaked specs for both durango and orbis and if they're legit then orbis is more powerful. thats it.
this whole "magic sauce" bullshit started because some emotionally invested morons just cant accept that.

You seem to be an emotionally invested moron, because you keep contradicting yourself.

 

[eso76]

No.

He stated that AMD felt that Durango would be more powerful.

Amd said that ?

 

[scently]

I think he's being pretty even-handed and realistic in his commentary about the eSRAM and data movers. His comments actually got me to re-examine my attitude to the memory setup a bit, as per an earlier post. Even if his comments are not hyperbolic, even they don't wax lyrical about 'game changers', they give credit, and give a much better explanation of why MS might have chosen to go with this type of setup and made the tradeoffs they vs the one in 360, than I've seen from anyone else. Everyone else has been vague on this stuff, he offers a pretty straight idea of the reasoning behind it.

Indeed. He and another dev poster named sebbbi are my most respected posters on B3D. He is a poster I respect a lot, and I only found out a few days ago that he works for Sony.

 

[phosphor112]

You seem to be an emotionally invested moron, because you keep contradicting yourself.

Keep the name calling out of here please.

 

[Felix Lighter]

Amd said that ?

No way in hell.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

I am fairly certain that at least one of those is not a primary source and that your trust in them actually lay elsewhere.

My trust with them because they have not gone down the system war bullshit road .

 

[oversitting]

So speed doesn't matter?

Good, then I can safely recommend that Nvidia 2GB DDR3 GPU over the one with 1GB GDDR5 (more expensive). I had a friend ask me and I wasnt sure, but now its becoming clearer.

If your friend is going to develop games with the card on a closed system basis for 5-7 years I would tell him to get the card with more ram.

Otherwise faster ram is better.

 

[Respawn]

I'd say Orbis is better than Django based on this

Django is one hard mofo. Just saying.

 

[jaypah]

Keep the name calling out of here please.

but deanos started it! Lol, 5 year olds. E3 is going to be a bloodbath.

 

[deanos]

You seem to be an emotionally invested moron, because you keep contradicting yourself.

contradicting myself? how so? becase i said the PS4 will be more powerful? are you serious right now?
the leaked specs are right there.

 

[meta4]

It would be nice if more developers comment on these specs instead. Right now we only have one developer who has commented on these specs and has made his opinion known. But that is a Sony dev. Not doubting his conclusion but if there was another third party dev commenting on this it would be great.

 

[Reiko]

It would be nice if more developers comment on these specs instead. Right now we only have one developer who has commented on these specs and has made his opinion known. But that is a Sony dev. Not doubting his conclusion but if there was another third party dev commenting on this it would be great.

llhere is a multiplat dev.

He said they are a wash.

 

[Can Crusher]

llhere is a multiplat dev.

He said they are a wash.

Ilherre is just being politically correct ;P

 

[meta4]

llhere is a multiplat dev.

He said they are a wash.

Okay cool. There ends the discussion. Why are ppl still pissed now.

 

[Jadedx]

contradicting myself? how so? becase i said the PS4 will be more powerful? are you serious right now?
the leaked specs are right there.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=46756000&postcount=3681

This is my last interaction with you in this thread.

 

[Forsete]

I feel you're being facetious, but just in case you aren't... get the 1gig GDDR5 gpu. GPU's are almost always bottlenecked by RAM.

Speed is obviously important, and I thought what he said sounded pretty silly.

Btw I did recommend the GDDR5 card, but as it was more expensive my friend sounded unsure and kept asking about the bigger size, which I tried to explain.

He texted me that he had bought a new card today (the reason, his old card had overheated and produced corrupt graphics) and that it worked, but didn't specify which one he got. Probably the DDR3 card.

 

[Monumental]

this shit needs to stop. the PS4 will be more powerful and thats it. boo fucking hoo.
no magic sauce, no wizard jizz, no gpu accelerators, stop spreading bullshit.

Tell us how you really feel.

 

[Reiko]

Okay cool. There ends the discussion. Why are ppl still pissed now.

Some people want one console to be ridiculously more powerful than the other. Realistically, I just don't see it. But to each their own.

 

[Majanew]

llhere is a multiplat dev.

He said they are a wash.

Yep. lherre has spoken, but the fans have already put on their corporate-branded armor and are ready for war.

 

[specialguy]

So speed doesn't matter?

Good, then I can safely recommend that Nvidia 2GB DDR3 GPU over the one with 1GB GDDR5 (more expensive). I had a friend ask me and I wasnt sure, but now its becoming clearer.

lol, ahh the poor argumentative tactics....the strawman.

you should recommend him the 50MB GDDR6 card. It's an absolute beast!

BTW imagine this, 1GB GDDR5 isn't enough. I wouldn't buy less than a 2GB card, unless it's sort of weak to begin with.

 

[Biggzy]

Yep. lherre has spoken, but the fans have already put on their corporate-branded armor and are ready for war.

Imagine if Apple were involved?

 

[jmdajr]

Some people want one console to be ridiculously more powerful than the other. Realistically, I just don't see it. But to each their own.

Ermmm, well it you come either to the...

 

[meta4]

Some people want one console to be ridiculously more powerful than the other. Realistically, I just don't see it. But to each their own.

Seriously that is the worst thing ppl can wish for right now. A lot of ppl wont be able to afford both consoles and would like to invest first in the ecosystem and the first party games they like the most. Last thing ppl should wish for is differences. Everyone should be happy that they are the same and should be celebrating.

 

[Felix Lighter]

My only concern is that multiplatform development is simplified compared to previous generations and from what I've gathered so far, it should be. Neither of the first party devs are making games that I'm particularly excited about at this point.

 

[i-Lo]

llhere is a multiplat dev.

He said they are a wash.

Very true. However, in the event they were not, would he have said anything different? Perhaps, the optimistic view would be that in such an eventuality, llhere would have not mentioned anything about either console.

 

[abadguy]

Yeah, we definitely don't know enough yet to make any definitive statements.




Oh.

Heheh.

 

[Baconsammy]

Okay cool. There ends the discussion. Why are ppl still pissed now.

Because they desperately need him to be wrong. Go figure. Meanwhile everyone forgets the fact that the best selling console last gen was by far the weakest. Bring on the games and services leaks.

 

[deanos]

rofl, i really dont care which console will end up more powerful.
this whole "magic sauce" crap really needs to stop, its embarrassing.

 

[gaming_noob]

llhere is a multiplat dev.

He said they are a wash.

Maybe he meant their multiplatform title is performing close to parity on both systems. In that case, it could still mean one is more powerful than the other. He's too vague with that statement.

 

[Proxy]

lol, ahh the poor argumentative tactics....the strawman.

you should recommend him the 50MB GDDR6 card. It's an absolute beast!

Criticizing someone for using a straw man and then proceed to use the same tactic. Brilliant!

 

[Reiko]

Very true. However, in the event they were not, would he have said anything different? Perhaps, the optimistic view would be that in such an eventuality, llhere would have not mentioned anything about either console.

True.

Maybe he meant their multiplatform title is performing close to parity on both systems. In that case, it could still mean one is more powerful than the other. He's too vague with that statement.

He also said it's 360/PS3 all over again. I don't know how blatant you want him to be without breaking NDA.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=46551080&postcount=274

 

[PhatSaqs]

deanos in the buildin

 

[oversitting]

rofl, i really dont care which console will end up more powerful.
this whole "magic sauce" crap really needs to stop, its embarrassing.

cry some more. please, its actually very entertaining.

 

[Gemüsepizza]

llhere is a multiplat dev.

He said they are a wash.

Should he...

a) ...break his NDA and take sides (what would he gain from that?).

b) ...not break his NDA and give a diplomatic, vague answer.

What would you do? They are obviously targeting the same people, thus they are in the "same ball park", but that doesn't mean there won't be differences for us graphic enthusiasts.

 

[Hydrargyrus]

Does both have secret sauce?

In real sauce terms, what could it be in each case? Ketchup, soy sauce, Tabasco??

 

[Felix Lighter]

Should he...

a) ...break his NDA and take sides (what would he gaing from that?).

b) ...not break his NDA and give a diplomatic, vague answer.

What would you do?

I woudn't post anything.