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[BorkBork]

I'm still undecided on the change in art visuals; it really evokes memories of the horrible transition from the Curse of Monkey Island (gorgeous and timeless cartoon style) to Escape from Monkey Island (horrible monkey crap). However, I am really intrigued at how the following scenes are going to look. Going to spoiler it in case people haven't played a ten year old game.

Spoiler

1.) The slow colour reveal of Hyrule Castle.
2.) The castle underground chamber with the stained glass.
3.) The giant squid fights with the swirling water and dark skies.
4.) End fight with Ganondorf with the water falling all around.

 

[mantidor]

I'm still undecided on the change in art visuals; it really evokes memories of the horrible transition from the Curse of Monkey Island (gorgeous and timeless cartoon style) to Escape from Monkey Island (horrible monkey crap). However, I am really intrigued at how the following scenes are going to look. Going to spoiler it in case people haven't played a ten year old game.

Spoiler

1.) The slow colour reveal of Hyrule Castle.
2.) The castle underground chamber with the stained glass.
3.) The giant squid fights with the swirling water and dark skies.
4.) End fight with Ganondorf with the water falling all around.

Its going to look glorious, you know it.

Spoiler

The stained glass windows, with actual lighting!? holly craps, I can't wait

 

[Foxy Fox 39]

Don't like the way the characters look at all. Should have done something to make them sharper and flatter looking.

This.

 

[TreasureHunterG]

Now that's a huge amount of people is complaining about WW HD graphics, will WW's fans care about the game now? Most of it only praises WW because of the cel-shaded graphics and seldom says something about the gameplay (and how flawed it is).

 

[mantidor]

This.

... is absurd?

People should check out videos of the game again, the characters never look "flat", neither the environments. Maybe, maybe in screenshots.

 

[Terra]

Now that's a huge amount of people is complaining about WW HD graphics, will WW's fans care about the game now? Most of it only praises WW because of the cel-shaded graphics and seldom says something about the gameplay (and how flawed it is).

I think you're wrong. It's actually the cel shaded graphics that makes the gameplay and controlling Link so good.

 

[Silent_Ocarina]

I'm still undecided on the change in art visuals; it really evokes memories of the horrible transition from the Curse of Monkey Island (gorgeous and timeless cartoon style) to Escape from Monkey Island (horrible monkey crap). However, I am really intrigued at how the following scenes are going to look. Going to spoiler it in case people haven't played a ten year old game.

Spoiler

1.) The slow colour reveal of Hyrule Castle.
2.) The castle underground chamber with the stained glass.
3.) The giant squid fights with the swirling water and dark skies.
4.) End fight with Ganondorf with the water falling all around.

Absolutely. I'd love to see a re-imagining of these scenes, even if the cartoonish aesthetic is compromised.

 

[Terrell]

Weren't these images admitted to be super-early? Like, didn't Aonuma basically say this was the visual "test phase" before they started actually making the game? Hence why there's no moving visuals?

If that's the case, we could just be looking at models that are gussied up, plunked in without their proper cel shaders and lit to bejeezus for the visual effect.

I do not base the art style of the final project on this. We as gamers really have to learn to stop jumping the fucking gun all the time.

 

[matm666]

Weren't these images admitted to be super-early? Like, didn't Aonuma basically say this was the visual "test phase" before they started actually making the game? Hence why there's no moving visuals?

If that's the case, we could just be looking at models that are gussied up, plunked in without their proper cel shaders and lit to bejeezus for the visual effect.

I do not base the art style of the final project on this. We as gamers really have to learn to stop jumping the fucking gun all the time.

Welcome to Neogaf

 

[Jaded Alyx]

I think it looks great and I imagine it will look fantastic once I see it in motion. WW is not one of my favourite Zelda's but I always said I should replay it someday and give it another chance. There's no way though, that I would be as enthusiastic to do so had this just been the same game with a resolution increase. This new visual style seems so fresh and appealing.

 

[Stark]

Weren't these images admitted to be super-early? Like, didn't Aonuma basically say this was the visual "test phase" before they started actually making the game? Hence why there's no moving visuals?

Haha holy shit.

I hope it looks close to it at the very least then.

 

[BorkBork]

It's out this fall. I think this will be representative of the stuff in-game.

 

[lazybones18]

Also, deal with it:

And for the other side :V

Think I found my new avatar

 

[leroidys]

So now the game is completely unrecognizable... and some people still say there's no hyperbole when discussing Zelda... ha.

What a terrible strawman argument. I never said that nobody employs hyperbole when discussing Zelda. It's an internet messageboard about videogames. It is prone to hyperbole. I was contesting the assertion that Zelda fans are an extra level of awful, or that people are incapable of forming rational or honest impressions of the games in the series.

Anyway, back to the game. If they can just fix the character models I can live with the bloom. Just the improvements of having the Upad as map/inventory is enough to sell me on it, being one of my favorite games of all time, and, in my opinion, the most replayable of the 3D Zeldas.

i can only hope this is a huge hit and encourages nintendo to take WW as the inspiration for future zeldas.

I hope so. I wonder if they are in part using this to gauge interest in Zelda after the lackluster sales (compared to other Zelda titles) of both Spirit Tracks and Skyward Sword.

 

[LeleSocho]

So now the game is completely unrecognizable... and some people still say there's no hyperbole when discussing Zelda... ha.

... is absurd?

People should check out videos of the game again, the characters never look "flat", neither the environments. Maybe, maybe in screenshots.

You maybe missed the by everyone part... if to kid who has never played and is not into zelda aside this you ask for "the game with the green dude that looks like a cartoon" he immediately will point you to WW, the same with the more navigate gamer
if you want people to recognize this what will you say? what's the zelda with kid link? what one between zelda1 and everyone after since WW?
What's the zelda with the sea? what one between PH and WW?
Oh yeah i have one... What's the Zelda with uberbloom?
But i think i know your problem you actually do not see (or see too much i still don't get it) the graphical qualities of WW
while here you can actually see the depth of the things (you can recognize in where on the Z axis something is)

in the original cartoon style cel shading is a lot harder because looks of course like a cartoon (hence the people who wants the remake "flatter")

this believe it or not it's part of the artstyle and is also an huge part of its charm for a lot of people, remove that and you remove the charm.

 

[Lucent]

This looks amazing to me. Those clouds. =D

 

[Foxy Fox 39]

You maybe missed the by everyone part... if to kid who has never played and is not into zelda aside this you ask for "the game with the green dude that looks like a cartoon" he immediately will point you to WW, the same with the more navigate gamer
if you want people to recognize this what will you say? what's the zelda with kid link? what one between zelda1 and everyone after since WW?
What's the zelda with the sea? what one between PH and WW?
Oh yeah i have one... What's the Zelda with uberbloom?
But i think i know your problem you actually do not see (or see too much i still don't get it) the graphical qualities of WW
while here you can actually see the depth of the things (you can recognize in where on the Z axis something is)

in the original cartoon style cel shading is a lot harder because looks of course like a cartoon (hence the people who wants the remake "flatter")

this believe it or not it's part of the artstyle and is also an huge part of its charm for a lot of people, remove that and you remove the charm.

I just realized HIS EYEBROWS ARE COVERED UP BY HAIR IN THE REMAKE!!!

 

[Fuzzification]

You maybe missed the by everyone part... if to kid who has never played and is not into zelda aside this you ask for "the game with the green dude that looks like a cartoon" he immediately will point you to WW, the same with the more navigate gamer
if you want people to recognize this what will you say? what's the zelda with kid link? what one between zelda1 and everyone after since WW?
What's the zelda with the sea? what one between PH and WW?
Oh yeah i have one... What's the Zelda with uberbloom?

I ask for "the remake of the game with the green dude that looks like a cartoon".

 

[mxgt]

This thread is great.

But I really don't like the way it looks in those screenshots. Looks like Dolphin will still be the way to play it for me.

 

[Silphonica]

You know what GAF, go fuck yourself.

This game looks great. If you don't like it, don't buy it.

 

[ChimpBottle]

Has anybody ever seen a cartoon (maybe Family Guy or the Simpsons) where a character is thrust into a real life world and he's looking at his hands and saying how weird everything looks. That's what the Link and Tetra look like to me. Like they don't belong in that game world and were just dragged from another universe.

 

[JordanN]

I just realized HIS EYEBROWS ARE COVERED UP BY HAIR IN THE REMAKE!!!

From his angle, it actually makes sense. If it were above his hair, it would be far away from his eyes (because the hair is jutting from his face).

But the cartoon appeal or whatever it's called is still there. Look at Tetra where her head is more aligned with the camera and the eyebrows are floating.

Of course, this could all be beta elements but I actually like it that way. Like, in the same Gamecube screenshot his eye overlaps his hair and I hate seeing that in both anime and video games.

 

[Doczu]

Think I found my new avatar

Take it or leave it. You're not the only one who likes it

 

[Goron2000]

You know what GAF, go fuck yourself.

This game looks great. If you don't like it, don't buy it.

Ok.

 

[Always-honest]

You know what GAF, go fuck yourself.

This game looks great. If you don't like it, don't buy it.

Well, no. Game = amazing, yes. But in terms of art direction, they're not quite there yet.
It's not a problem if you have no feeling for art direction. But some see some issues in the style as displayed in the current screens (which for many are clearly very early and not final). It needs some work.

I have no doubt the game will have a great and consistent look when it releases.

I just realized HIS EYEBROWS ARE COVERED UP BY HAIR IN THE REMAKE!!!

yeah, back then they decided to keep the eyebrows, and i think even the eyes..., on top of the hair. With this new look, that is much more 3D, that would look even more silly than it looked then.
I'm sure his expression will be fine. And maybe, if the expression is lacking, they'll choose to put the brow on top of the hair once again.

 

[DJMicLuv]

I just realized HIS EYEBROWS ARE COVERED UP BY HAIR IN THE REMAKE!!!

NO ONE SHOULD GIVE A FUCK!!!

Jesus, fellers, it's fucking daft in this thread.

Most of us played WW on the GC and that was that, play it on the GC again if you want but just because this remake looks different (which is, by and large, the fucking point in making it) you act like it has no right to exist.

New gamers who haven't played WW before will not go out and buy a GC and an old copy of WW to play the game, they just won't play it if not for this remake. I think it's better that younger gamers have a chance to play this game, even if it means that it doesn't look exactly like it looked 10 years ago, than not.

It's a good game, let them enjoy it, the change in graphical style means NOTHING to these newer and younger gamers, but the utter outrage expressed on this forum is fucking comical. You've had your Wind Waker experience and now it's time for newer gamers to enjoy it. Let it go.

EYEBROWS!!! Get some perspective folks.

 

[MutFox]

So as a remake, will they fix the Triforce hunt?
That part of the game was terrible...

If they remake that, I'll buy the game...

 

[zoukka]

I highly doubt these screens represent anything more than early prototyping with the new style.

 

[AniHawk]

I highly doubt these screens represent anything more than early prototyping with the new style.

i think they're just saving an actual trailer for e3. when was the last time they showed us a game and then drastically changed it with less than a year to go?

looking forward to seeing it in motion. it has sort of a claymation look to it right now that could work well. of course, i'd like to see an updated cel-shaded look, but that probably would have taken a lot more time.

 

[leroidys]

You know what GAF, go fuck yourself.

This game looks great. If you don't like it, don't buy it.

I'm gladly going to buy it.






Character models still look shit. Comeatme.

 

[Mr. F]

Tower of the Gods' pseudo TRON lighting and art direction is going to look amazing.

Also while we're talking about nothing, probably very late on this but isn't that woman in the screenshot with Tetra and Link from Outset Island? For some reason I also remember her without earrings, although it's been a while.

Edit; never mind saw the Dolphin screenshots with the same lady from the other page. Makes me wonder how much they'll change character models/environments.

 

[Bel_Air_Jeff]

Definitely will buy this if they fix the triforce hunt...

Hell, I'll probably buy it regardless..


Wind Waker on that Wii U gamepad... *DROOLS*

 

[Always-honest]

i think they're just saving an actual trailer for e3. when was the last time they showed us a game and then drastically changed it with less than a year to go?

looking forward to seeing it in motion. it has sort of a claymation look to it right now that could work well. of course, i'd like to see an updated cel-shaded look, but that probably would have taken a lot more time.

Makes me wonder if they will be able to make it this year..

 

[StoppedInTracks]

Take a look at the tree on the right. The fucking bloom destroys it.

Take one of the most iconic cel-shaded games in history next to JSR and Ni No Kuni and pretty much annihilate it with unnecessary, shitty, 2006-era graphical effects.

I would expect no less from an outsourced studio paid to port Wind Waker to the Wii U but this is coming from Nintendo. I mean how the fuck?

They literally had to do NOTHING to upgrade this game: just flip the resolution switch to 720p and unlock the framerate. Then add the usual Gamepad stuff. Yet they waste time & resources on shitting on the artstyle of the original

 

[marc^o^]

Apart from excessive bloom, the 2nd image looks better to me. Look at the rocks, the sea.

Knowing it's work in progress, I have no doubt this game will end up looking fabulous.

 

[JordanN]

They literally had to do NOTHING to upgrade this game: just flip the resolution switch to 720p and unlock the framerate. Then add the usual Gamepad stuff. Yet they waste time & resources on shitting on the artstyle of the original

I'll still say this. If Nintendo went with an upres port of the original, people would just bitch that it's already on PC's.

Or even worse, people would use this as evidence the Wii U can't do better than GC graphics.

 

[StoppedInTracks]

I'll still say this. If Nintendo went with an upres port of the original, people would just bitch that it's already on PC's.

Or even worse, people would use this as evidence the Wii U can't do better than GC graphics.

Hmm... maybe you have some right there. It's like colouring B&W movies.

 

[gogogow]

I'll still say this. If Nintendo went with an upres port of the original, people would just bitch that it's already on PC's.

Or even worse, people would use this as evidence the Wii U can't do better than GC graphics.

Nintendo always loses.

Add effects and stuff: it looks like shit, won't buy
Don't add stuf: it's just a cheap port in HD, won't buy

I will say this, it is strange they removed the cell shading, but the bloom imo works, since it's a fantasy game and not a military shooter.

 

[Kiryu]

Some of you guys are freaking out about how it looks now...

It's in development process, "visual" stage or whatever Aonuma told you in ND.

Now... It's not time to freak out on unfinished remastered WW game.

CHILLAX!

 

[NinjaTehFish]

One last time:

This is non-final Pre-viz done as prep work for the next Zelda.


these scenes were not made with the intent of recreating WW visuals and as such should in no way be taken as the final aesthetic

And until we see screens with that intent behind it judging these shots is fucking stupid.

 

[Stiflers Mom]

Sorry, I still don't get it.

Game still looks like out of a comic book, just more colour- and beautiful.


Looking forward to it...

 

[Margalis]

The upper picture in that comparison looks bad. It doesn't look "cartoony" it just looks flat.

In WW the characters and other moving stuff like smoke effects, fire, water, etc, look great, but all the surrounding geometry looks pretty weak. While playing the game you don't notice it too much since you are looking at the foreground elements, but in screenshots it definitely stands out.

 

[CrisKre]

For fucks sake people! Use your heads!

You know who created the wonderful art in wind waker (and the rest of the gorgeous 3d Zeldas after it)? The same people that are making this remake. They can handle it. They have good artists. Some of you sound like they will somehow release a hideous looking straight to dvd Disney movie sequel style of ugly remaster of one of their crowning achievements all of a sudden. Think about it for a second.

How about we wait till we see some more?

 

[BGBW]

Yet they waste time & resources on shitting on the artstyle of the original

No they didn't. They are experimenting with visuals to finalise the look of Zelda U. Since they obviously have no assets made for Zelda U yet they are using old assets to experiment with. This is just like the E3 demo that used Twilight Princess assets. They've wasted no time and they would have done this even if they never intended to release it.

Literally the most we could have known about it was an Iwata Asks from the distant future where they showed what they did in the early stage and I would bet in that parallel universe people would bitch that Nintendo made an HD Wind Waker and chose not to release it.

You may not like the look, but they didn't waste time on it.

 

[Chinner]

they shouldn't have released these screenshots then. so it either does look like this, or the screenshtos are not representative at all. either way the fan reaction is totally understandable.

then again, it's been awhile since nintendo's actually made a competent move.

 

[monome]

they shouldn't have released these screenshots then. so it either does look like this, or the screenshtos are not representative at all. either way the fan reaction is totally understandable.

then again, it's been awhile since nintendo's actually made a competent move.

I love you.
in a mannish way.

 

[Hakai]

Dude this thread is delivering!!!

I can understand a couple of the complaints, but geez guys, can you not wait to see the thing in motion? Plus it still retains the Cartoon Style, or Pixar movies like The Incredibles, are not cartoony to you guys?

 

[Captain Smoker]

It's funny how a lot of people cry about the graphics of the Zelda which got the most hate for it's graphics.

 

[Chinner]

hows it funny? i appreciate this is the internet, but peoples opinions do change over time and in retrospect. it's a pretty human thing to do.

 

[one_kill]

I saw a bunch of screenshots of the upcoming WW remake and I thought they sucked... WTF are those guys at Nintendo doing? Wasting their time? They can't capture the style I WANT. They're making it for me so why aren't they doing a competent job?

WW is the bestest Zelda ever and doesn't need no changes at all. Just slap HD on the title and ship it as it was and it'll be the bestest HD thing ever!

Don't question me since it's my opinion okay? I'm just saying that this is going to bomb because they're RUINING it! Seriously! You don't need to watch any trailers because the screenshots they showed sucked!

Yeah, yeah, pre-alpha screenshots, whatever. I don't care! I saw what I saw so I can make my opinions as exaggerated as I want. It's my life and I'll do what I want! If only Nintendo can do the things I want them to do! Fuck you Nintendo for showing me something I don't like! YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE SHOWED ME SOMETHING AT ALL!