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Oops a daisy!Are you writing this on a cell phone?
Oops a daisy!Are you writing this on a cell phone?
Orbis is most likely going to cost less to build than durango even without kinect going by these specs.
Stacking DDR3 memory is going to increase its bandwidth?
Why? can you elaborate?
The eSRAM is going to have low yields at the start of production. Itself will be about 80mm^2, the move engine are looking to be serious logic blocks which could be quite large. The 8GB is DDR3 ram is going to cost a bit more than the GDDR5 if they can't get 8Gb chips for cheap. Just for processing the system will probably have total chip area of ~300mm, which includes many new elements which probably don't have good yields at 28nm.
CPU= ~60mm^2
GPU+ect = ~160mm^2
eSRAM = ~80mm^2
total = ~300mm^2
PS4 is going with things AMD can design for cheap and with production already known. The GPU/CPU are both modified AMD chips already in production. Total die area will probably be slightly less than the XB3.
CPU= ~60mm^2
GPU= ~212mm^2
total= ~272mm^2
given how newer more custom designs take longer to get production cost down, its likely the ps4 will actually be somewhat cheaper to produce at least at the start of the generation.
The eSRAM is going to have low yields at the start of production. Itself will be about 80mm^2, the move engine are looking to be serious logic blocks which could be quite large. The 8GB is DDR3 ram is going to cost a bit more than the GDDR5 if they can't get 8Gb chips for cheap. Just for processing the system will probably have total chip area of ~300mm, which includes many new elements which probably don't have good yields at 28nm.
CPU= ~60mm^2
GPU+ect = ~160mm^2
eSRAM = ~80mm^2
total = ~300mm^2
PS4 is going with things AMD can design for cheap and with production already known. The GPU/CPU are both modified AMD chips already in production. Total die area will probably be slightly less than the XB3.
CPU= ~60mm^2
GPU= ~212mm^2
total= ~272mm^2
given how newer more custom designs take longer to get production cost down, its likely the ps4 will actually be somewhat cheaper to produce at least at the start of the generation.
The eSRAM is going to have low yields at the start of production. Itself will be about 80mm^2, the move engine are looking to be serious logic blocks which could be quite large. The 8GB is DDR3 ram is going to cost a bit more than the GDDR5 if they can't get 8Gb chips for cheap. Just for processing the system will probably have total chip area of ~300mm, which includes many new elements which probably don't have good yields at 28nm.
CPU= ~60mm^2
GPU+ect = ~160mm^2
eSRAM = ~80mm^2
total = ~300mm^2
PS4 is going with things AMD can design for cheap and with production already known. The GPU/CPU are both modified AMD chips already in production. Total die area will probably be slightly less than the XB3.
CPU= ~60mm^2
GPU= ~212mm^2
total= ~272mm^2
given how newer more custom designs take longer to get production cost down, its likely the ps4 will actually be somewhat cheaper to produce at least at the start of the generation.
You mentioned 8GB of DDR3 could be more expensive than 4GB of GDDR5, however contract prices currently show 8GB of DDR3 to be around $20-$30, whilst it's $70 and above for GDDR5. I'm sure Sony and Microsoft will get special rates, but how did you conclude DDR3 could be more expensive?
He is saying 16 chips of DDR3 could be more expensive than 8 chips of GDDR5.
You have to factor in the motherboard design costs of 16 chips.
Orbis is also a single chip SOC, and has a more aggressive target for working CUs and such. They're more likely to get bitten in the ass on yield issues.
Where's the source suggesting the Durango rumours are 10 months old?
There is just something a bit silly about this whole thing...when we start questioning "sources" which purportly are dealing in "rumors". Has the whole world gone crazy?
AMD designed 28nm GPUs with much higher firepower, and they all have great yields. PS4 is using nothing exotic in its APU [SoC means that southbrige is inside the chip, I dont think that will be the case here] and manufacture will be smooth.
[Clark Gable];46901829 said:What I don't understand is, why do people think 1080p x2 MSAA is not enough for next gen games. When in reality we probably won't even have that, resolutions will probably variable.
[Clark Gable];46901829 said:What I don't understand is, why do people think 1080p x2 MSAA is not enough for next gen games. When in reality we probably won't even have that, resolutions will probably variable.
Expectations have been set VERY high due to the length of this cycle and technology available now.
1080p 2xMSAA + TXAA + 60fps is way more than enough
Is this fake?
How does that signify Xbox? Regardless, where did you find that image?
In another forum, I guess it is a fake.
EDIT: Maybe the sign mean Next Thing
Looks more like a tablet if anything.
Seems like GAF needs a new leak.
1080p 2xMSAA + TXAA + 60fps is way more than enough
Hell I'd be happy with the choice of 1080p and no AA or 720p and 2xAA and a solid 30fps....I really think this is more realistic.
Is this fake?
That wasn't good enough for this gen let stand next gen.
Looks like a stylized battery power graphic.
Hell I'd be happy with the choice of 1080p and no AA or 720p and 2xAA and a solid 30fps....I really think this is more realistic.
TXAA wont be happening without nvidia cards.
I rather get SMAA, SMAA T2X, MLAA, and at least 1.5-2x MSAA then.
You mean north bridge.
I am curious to hear what "programmer" GAF has to say about the specs and ports between both machines.
Is this fake?
I would rather keep my job
That wasn't good enough for this gen let stand next gen.
Saying that, I'm very worried that the Durango's CPU will be like the Wii U's. I know there are 8 cores but they look very slow,
and surely it would be better to have 4 cores at 4 ghz, or so?
[Clark Gable];46901829 said:What I don't understand is, why do people think 1080p x2 MSAA is not enough for next gen games. When in reality we probably won't even have that, resolutions will probably variable.
Saying that, I'm very worried that the Durango's CPU will be like the Wii U's. I know there are 8 cores but they look very slow, and surely it would be better to have 4 cores at 4 ghz, or so?
Orbis will use the same cores for CPU...
And please, Wii U CPU is even slower than Xbox 360 and Durango CPU.
not necessarily
Do you know that for a fact? If so then that's brilliant and exactly what I want to hear.
Well, fact.... no, but rumors. Wii U CPU is PowerPC and Durango/Orbis CPUs are x86. And if you trust in vgleaks, Wii U CPU is based in Wii CPU (but faster and multicore).
PS4 apparently has an additional compute unit which would be dedicated to offloading CPU tasks like physics and whatnot.Orbis will use the same cores for CPU...
PS4 apparently has an additional compute unit which would be dedicated to offloading CPU tasks like physics and whatnot.
I've only ever seen Eurogamer report on this, but they did have the most detailed-sounding rumor about it so far.Does this secret unit handle... sauce?
Those are app icons. The marketplace icon looks like it might be the WP8 one, because it isn't the W8 one. Perhaps a teaser for a new app, possible home management app? Or a the rumored phone they are creating. If it is real.