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[gofreak]

The triangles, and vertices rate.

It's a long long time since we judged general 'pure graphics' ability on triangle setup rates...

 

[Eideka]

So the Orbis GPU is 2.2 teraflops ?

I prefer that.

 

[Pistolero]

Well , The R&D budget could not have afforded Sony much customization, contrary to Microsoft.

 

[rexor0717]

I'm down.

 

[PopcornMegaphone]

not really, both are beasts with different strengths

Yeah, I don't know how the 720 can overcome it's slow RAM issue. 4 gig of DDR5 sounds amazingballs.

*not a super technical person*

 

[shinnn]

Cant wait to the battle: Kameo 2 vs Untold Legends 2

 

[rdrr gnr]

Fine to accept what he's typing when you agree with it. The contrary when you don't

Dat post history.

 

[Nirolak]

So the Orbis GPU is 2.2 teraflops ?

I prefer that.

By 14 + 4 they mean 400 of the 1800 are reserved for compute.

 

[oconnomiyaki]

I hope people like $60 games with $50 season passes and microtranscations everywhere.

I'd imagine that's a sure bet.

 

[Horse Armour]

not really, both are beasts with different strengths

You might not be disappointed but I really can't see how any part of these machines could be described as beastly.

 

[iceatcs]

Expected to say the least. It shouldn't much of a problem for Microsoft to outperform Sony going by these specs. The meltdowns will be glorious!

I think other way too. We've have seen it for 3 generations that Sony didn't came advance tech. If Orbis > Durango, then it would be first time ever Sony got the advance.

 

[Radec]

And use NTFS FFS! This 4GB limit of FAT32 is bullshit!

Or EXFat

How many times more powerful is it than a xbox 360?

Over 9000tflops.

 

[Alej]

If these numbers are right, the Durango GPU is actually better when it comes to pure graphics.

It's a trap! (too late)

 

[The Omega Man]

I'm pretty sure they all know each others plans pretty well, the dev kits are in plenty of hands and it'd be commercial suicide to attend E3 with a new console if you don't already have some idea of what your competitor is going to show, from what I'm aware they basically visit bars and buy people a lot of drinks until they get some specs.

After all, it's in the developers interest that both machines can run the same games without too many changes - so leaking the specs helps pretty much everyone.

You are right, however things are happening entirely differently in my mind

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=46704713&postcount=161

I like to think that I imagining everything the "Hollywood" way, you know to keep the masses entertained.

 

[Pistolero]

So the Orbis GPU is 2.2 teraflops ?

I prefer that.

No, it's 1,84 TF combined.

 

[Reiko]

not really, both are beasts with different strengths

Sounds like both are actually close.

Where are the Durango leaks? I thought MS was the "leaky ship"

Mafia. Cornfields. Beatdowns.

 

[BeEatNU]

haha all the people.

I bet it will be $399

BET

 

[SniperHunter]

Bring on the games!! The battle for graphical supremacy between the first party games will be EPIC! Epic, Crytek VS Naughty Dog and GG oh yea!

 

[Valnen]

not really, both are beasts with different strengths

I don't want subpar third party games again. It needs to match the nextbox in GPU.

 

[leatherhat]

How many bits?

 

[90TilInfinity]

No it won't.

Both systems are bound by optical media and magnetic storage as primary data input. Faster ram does not truly make up for the shrink in pool. It does allow for some interesting things between memory and GPU and CPU, particularly post processing. Orbis will likely have better AA too and likely better use of tessellation. for cross platform, it depends entirely on how efficient Durango GPU truly is - if its as rumored, cross-platform games will look identical. Both systems could achieve fantastic things with different strengths in mind, too.

But if you have a game on Durango utilizing 7 GB of ram (assuming 3GB is potentially incorrect) and a game on Orbis utilizing 3.5 GB of ram... That's a massive disadvantage that the speed of GDDR5 cannot make up. There's no technically feasible way it can. Procedurally generated textures couldn't do it either. Even 1.5 GB is a large hill to climb. Porting down from Durango could be a problem if they're using 7 GB for a scene (which I have my doubts either GPU could even handle that much texture/geometric data)

If the source of input was much faster, then there would be no question. This is all assuming specs are as rumored. If Durango efficiency isn't as rumored, then Orbis would be by far the most powerful platform but still be handicapped by ram pool.

Either way, I am truly curious where and how everything falls. I am so excite.

What are the chances of a game using 7GB RAM in the foreseeable future? Genuine question.

 

[deanos]

By 14 + 4 they mean 400 of the 1800 are reserved for compute.

they didnt say they're reserved.

 

[googleplex]

It's a long long time since we judged general 'pure graphics' ability on triangle setup rates...

Ha! I was just thinking the same thing.

 

[Eideka]

By 14 + 4 they mean 400 of the 1800 are reserved for compute.

Oh...

 

[DopeyFish]

I don't want subpar third party games again. It needs to match the nextbox in GPU.

put it this way

the best orbis has to offer cant be done on durango

the best durango has to offer cant be done on orbis

that is how these systems are set up

What are the chances of a game using 7GB RAM in the foreseeable future? Genuine question.

not likely, imo. i just put it out there as a worst case scenario

 

[nib95]

I don't want subpar third party games again. It needs to match the nextbox in GPU.

I'm not sure how he came to that conclusion tbh, he could just be trolling again. But to me at least, signs point to Orbis having the upper hand in the GPU department as well. Could anyone else chime in?

Where is Proelite getting Durango triangle and vertices numbers from? Not that these particular things would determine the overall outcome in any case.

 

[pixlexic]

haha all the people.

I bet it will be $399

BET

$401

 

[orientalNoodle]

This better be $500 or bust.

 

[Samurai_Heart]

Where are the Durango leaks? I thought MS was the "leaky ship"

Nope has always been Sony XD

 

[gofreak]

they didnt say they're reserved.

They're not 'reserved', no. But the 400Gflops is accounted for in the 1.84.

 

[Radec]

haha all the people.

I bet it will be $399

BET

So? If people cant afford $399 of this kind of hardware, they dont deserve to join the next gen train.

 

[iceatcs]

Sounds like both are actually close.

Yeah it may be close but not the same FPS and IQ is huge difference to many.

 

[Nirolak]

they didnt say they're reserved.

"About 14 + 4 balance:

- 4 additional CUs (410 Gflops) “extra” ALU as resource for compute

- Minor boost if used for rendering"

If it's minor it implies it is largely reserved/optimized for compute behavior, since I wouldn't consider a 28% increase minor.

 

[Reiko]

Yeah it may be close but not the same FPS and IQ is huge difference to many.

That sorely depends on the game. That isn't universal.

 

[Horse Armour]

I'm not sure how he came to that conclusion tbh, he could just be trolling again. But to me at least all signs point to Orbis having the upper hand in the GPU department as well. Could anyone else chime in?

In terms of rendering it's pretty much 1.4TF vs 1.2TF and potential 'special sauce'. The reason he believes Durango is more powerful may be that it either has a more advanced architecture or that the special sauce helps it to close and overcome the gap.

 

[systemfehler]

After some consideration the feeling is still "meh", nothing really special that stands out so far. I really wonder what took them so long with that hardware. My guess right now would be money and I fear not in favour of the customers but to minimize loss at launch or even make a small profit. AMD really shows off what they can do with PS4 and Durango ...

 

[FrankT]

"About 14 + 4 balance:

- 4 additional CUs (410 Gflops) “extra” ALU as resource for compute

- Minor boost if used for rendering"

If it's minor it implies it is largely reserved/optimized for compute behavior, since I wouldn't consider a 28% increase minor.

Durango looking more competive by the day. This is gonna be good.

Still MS should go with 6GB of GDDR5 and 32mb esram for full on win IMHO. No more than 2GB for OS and what not. Or just 6GBs.

That would be fun.

 

[badcrumble]

Bring on the games!! The battle for graphical supremacy between the first party games will be EPIC! Epic, Crytek VS Naughty Dog and GG oh yea!

Epic and Crytek aren't MS first party studios. Their games are likely to appear on all platforms, Gears franchise aside.

 

[zomgbbqftw]

Fine to accept what he's typing when you agree with it. The contrary when you don't

popcorn.gif

 

[Globox_82]

Orbis sounds worse and worse. GPU is not 1.8tflops, but 1.4 vs 1.2 of Durango. Like I predicted MS will come on top with more efficent machine and more ram

 

[Corto]

This better be $500 or bust.

You want to pay more? Ok.

 

[Reiko]

Epic and Crytek aren't MS first party studios. Their games are likely to appear on all platforms, Gears franchise aside.

That chances of Ryse going multiplat is slim. Best case scenario is a PC port.

 

[Agent Ironside]

So what does this all mean. One's good for games and the other is good for Kinect/ads?

 

[phosphor112]

Fine to accept what he's typing when you agree with it. The contrary when you don't

I don't trust bronies.

 

[nib95]

In terms of rendering it's pretty much 1.4TF vs 1.2TF and potential 'special sauce'. The reason he believes Durango is more powerful may be that it either has a more advanced architecture or that the special sauce helps it to close and overcome the gap.

It's not 1.4TF though, because the additional 4 CU's can be used in just the same way to get to 1.8TF.

 

[Horse Armour]

Epic and Crytek aren't MS first party studios. Their games are likely to appear on all platforms, Gears franchise aside.

Crytek also have that exclusive 360 kinect game 'Ryse' that was moved to Durango.

 

[Eideka]

That chances of Ryse going multiplat is slim. Best case scenario is a PC port.

The PC audience does not want that kinect crap.

 

[Hydrargyrus]

"About 14 + 4 balance:

- 4 additional CUs (410 Gflops) “extra” ALU as resource for compute

- Minor boost if used for rendering"

If it's minor it implies it is largely reserved/optimized for compute behavior, since I wouldn't consider a 28% increase minor.

This looks really bad...

 

[thuway]

Seriously this article looks like it was written by fanboys. GAF points out that 14CUs makes no sense and magically the article is updated with new info that says there are now 4 extra compute CUs to make 18.

I don't believe VGLeaks after this and getting the Blu-ray spec wrong.

Don't play this game . They know their stuff. I would vouch for VGleaks before Digital Foundry.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

Durango looking more competive by the day. This is gonna be good.

A fair amount of people said they would be close with both consoles having advantages in certain areas over the other .
Some people can't seem to accept that it seems .