Glorified G
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As I figured. Just more flexibility. How can anyone say this is a bad thing?
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VGleaks: Orbis Unveiled! [Updated]
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As I figured. Just more flexibility. How can anyone say this is a bad thing?
XtremeXpider
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And about the Kinect thing, vgleaks is talking about dual camera and move, it looks like the kinect thing IMO.
Yes. There will pretty much be no change in specs for either console aside from maybe some slight clock speed changes and OS reserves before launch.
Im still waiting for the Vision Gran Turismo video from 2006 to be realised.
i.e number of cars on track, A.I and sounds and also full pit activity
http://youtu.be/wOPO7swloAI
No excuses now Polyphony
i.e number of cars on track, A.I and sounds and also full pit activity
http://youtu.be/wOPO7swloAI
No excuses now Polyphony
nelsonroyale
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So it's halfway between a 7770 and a 7850(since a desktop 7850 will also be quite a bit higher clocked). That's nowhere near a downclocked 7870.
Bandwidth is higher than either though, so it doesnt seem as simple as that.
NemesisPrime
Banned
Looks like it will be Durango for me then.
Aquamarine
Member
You forget about inflation?
Here are launch prices for the most successful consoles, adjusted for inflation:
4th gen: Super Nintendo - $351.33
5th gen: PlayStation - $464.77
6th gen: PlayStation 2 - $400
7th gen: Wii - $284.71
Durango will be having a compute unit to tackle the physics-simulation stuff, which will negate any boost the PS4 might claim with regard to its flexible CUs. With the GPUs being a wash (that of Durango is rumored to heavily modified), the end results will come down to RAM setups.
So it's halfway between a 7770 and a 7850
No. More compute units and TMUs in total than 7850. Just that clock speed has been reduced from 7850. So in essence it is pretty much a 7850.
SniperHunter
Banned
Square Enix plans to show the Luminous engine running on these consoles at E3 (they said either one or both)
I am guessing they will show it at Sony's PC
XtremeXpider
Member
We don't know all GPU details from Durango hardware.
Why are people acting like if we know all Durango details?
Baconsammy
Banned
Ultimately the end result will come down to services and marketing. Power only matters in threads like this one.
If it can run Lumines from PS3, I'll be happy. BC please.
Underwhelming is a massive exaggeration considering we know that bottom line to developers and consumers there are no real significant differences. I reserve words like underwhelming for the Wii U.
MikeE21286
Member
$249 in 2006 is about $280 today
Clay Davis
Member
this is nearly a year old. pretty much every rumour since then has suggested they bumped the specs. it's ridiculous to use that post to suggest he's a 'liar' or doesn't know more than anyone else.
Assests and certain decision about game design. If rumors are true it is not again PS3/X360 situation. If they will scale to lowest console being Durango, PS4 version will have probably better framerate (like a lot better) better effects etc. Difference will be clear.
Don't know why people say this all the time. Sure, they definitely won't really customize their games to look better on the higher powered platform but there will be differences in resolution, AA, textures, etc.
People calling Durango underpowered are also exaggerating a bit. The specs are more modest but fit their strategy a lot better.
mugurumakensei
Member
We know that Durango is going to be more bandwidth starved than Orbis.
Iacobellis
Junior Member
The 2006 video quality does not do this enough justice at all. This is my first time watching this, and it looks downright amazing. I would not mind if Polyphony favored graphics over gameplay, and left us with 30FPS. To me, racing games feel more realistic and cinematic that way.
Risk Breaker
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Not really, it's the complete opposite.
You say the separate 4CUs < 4CUs from the pool of 14.
I say that the separate 4CUs > 4CUs from the pool of 14, providing a "minor boost" when used for graphics compared to 18 normal CUs, thus, justifying that they are separate because it would mean that they are tweaked. Still, those 4CUs are better suited for compute, (and even if they are not custom and are actually just 4 separated CUs) one reason being that multiplatform games will target only the 12 CUs found in Durango for pure poly/fillrate needs and the other making the rest of the system run more easily (specially CPU) and with more stability (no framedrops in moments of big action/CPU load when compared to Durango).
If Durango uses some of its CUs for compute, the rendering difference with PS4 will be even bigger because it will be 8+4 vs 14+4, meaning almost twice the GFLOPS available for pure graphics rendering.
I fail to see the problem tbh, it's not like the 4CUs can't be used to help with some graphics-oriented code as well, right?
I'm thinking game reveals at E3. Any later and they risk early install base when it launches or a potential lack of games during launch window.
XtremeXpider
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You know only a part of the information. You look like those people that repeating what other said.
THE:MILKMAN
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two and a half months ago. American date system.
From your post history it seems pretty clear that you had already decided on the Durango + WiiU. So this post is a little weird.
Clay Davis
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yeah, maybe it's the data move engines? it seems strange for a developer to say the difference is the same as that between the gamecube and xbox only to learn that sony potentially have a massive advantage.
something doesn't add up.
Interfectum
Member
That all depends on how hard / time consuming it is to access the "special sauce" on the PS4 via SDK.
Star Wars 1313 looks current gen Uncharted in the Star Wars Universe (which is a huge complement). Watch Dogs however is far more impressive and doesn't look doable on the PS3.
Glorified G
Member
That post was last November.
Death Dealer
Member
Wow after reading that I expected to see that was a post from a year ago or something, but it was only about 3 months ago. So yeah, safe to say he doesn't know more about Orbis than any other random gaffer that follows next gen rumors.
Clay Davis
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caught out by the stupid american date system. :/
sorry about the confusion. I got caught out by the date system.
XtremeXpider
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Aegies said that there is a missing thing on the vgleaks info.
And the 4CUs for GPGPU would be equivalent to what level if it were a physX card?
I was just saying that any kind of reactionary spec adjustment from either company is almost impossible at this point.
Americanmushroom
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So, techpeople, wich console will have the best looking games? PS4 or 720?
oversitting
Banned
Very late. MS probably heard this news months ago tho.
Everyone wants to do what the Wii did. Don't think Sony is any different.
They have their up and downs. The difference will be marginal.
Because unlikely to have a GDC announcement, I could be wrong tho.
You got that backwards.
Clay Davis
Member
this makes sense. hopefully it leaks soon.
R
Rösti
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8 days til D.I.C.E. Summit. 10 days til Sony's Q3 FY2012 Earnings Announcement. 28 days til Destination PlayStation. 56 days til Game Developers Conference. And... ugh, 133 days until E3. As much as I like these leaks, although they don't provide too much information, it would be nice with some official information soon. Microsoft is as silent as a hill and Sony more or less the same (they have "commented" on PS4 though). And that rumor about reveals sometime in February (not at Destination PlayStation), what happened to that?
Why can't someone leak something about when we will get to know some actual information from Microsoft and Sony? I suppose that ought to come directly from the belly of the beast though, so perhaps it's easier getting caught talking about any upcoming, unannounced event than talking about these SDKs.
Why can't someone leak something about when we will get to know some actual information from Microsoft and Sony? I suppose that ought to come directly from the belly of the beast though, so perhaps it's easier getting caught talking about any upcoming, unannounced event than talking about these SDKs.
So you know something which we don't ? Right now Durango because of build in Kinect is worse on all fronts.
It just now dawned on me a "fear" that my 2 months old PC build (I7 3770K, 16GB RAM, 660tiOC (2.4-2.6 TFLOPS), SSD) is actually more powerful than both Durango and Orbis. I always just assumed the consoles would have some months on the top with the help of some 1st/2nd party wizardry. I'm not sure what to think now.. And even worse, porting from leads on either console might drag the PC version down.
I'll still get both console systems for the exclusives, and because I always buy everything, always like that. But I can't help but feel a little disappointed. At least the Durango seems like a good Netflix box..
I'll still get both console systems for the exclusives, and because I always buy everything, always like that. But I can't help but feel a little disappointed. At least the Durango seems like a good Netflix box..
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Yeah but at least Sonys won't look like ass anymore.
which means delay, if that happens
Which is pointless as there are countless other factors that go in to games that have to also be considered. But based on the specs, even on raw graphics rendering Orbis still comes out on top, just less so than before. Unless of course people have further details not known or leaked or something.
But factor in everything else required in a game where compute is pivitol, and if anything it seems the advantages of Orbis might have expanded.
Unless of course Durango also has its own compute special sauce or something. We don't really know, but nothing of note in the leaks at this point.
The fact that you implied Orbis GPU being closer to 7770 is more wrong.So it's halfway between a 7770 and a 7850
And to clarify: I'm not ignoring the 4 gpgpu CUs, but the original rumor was 1.8TF 18 CUs + some gpgpu unknown bits.
Orbis still looks favorable compared to durango
But they don't exist in a vacuum, time has passed since the desktop 7870s has released, 8 years has passed since xbox 360 released, new hardware is incoming in Q2 this year 6 months before orbis is out or more.
A downclocked cut down version of a 65W (highly efficient, granted) laptop gpu is dissapointing to me and many others no matter how you look at it., it was never going to be a 250-300W beast but there is a pretty large gray patch of middle ground in between.
Sony seems to have gone for the lower end of the low power low cost scale.
I'm also not being biased when I say a lot of people would have guessed for a higher clocked version of both the GPU and cpu ,not lower clocked ones (seeing as the laptop parts are low clocked because they need to work within a 60-100 W power envelope on a laptop battery in a 1 inch thick laptop casing and all....)
I think my dissapointment comes from a pretty grounded and reasonable basis.