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Shifty Geezer from B3D:
and Ruskie:
there you have it.
As I figured. Just more flexibility. How can anyone say this is a bad thing?
Shifty Geezer from B3D:
and Ruskie:
there you have it.
No, I assume they're as capable based on the other specs (alu ops, texture ops).
But 4 CUs working on graphics work alongside 14 others would represent 22% of the total gpu resources, or a 28% bump from 14, depending on how you want to look at it.
That might be considered 'minor' by some, compared to gains in other kinds of processing that might be possible using those 4 for something else - compared to, say, the CPU. It might in particular be characterised as minor by a platform holder that wants to motivate you to use those 4 CUs for other things...
You also have to bear in mind that the 4 CUs, if used for graphics, probably can't be transparently mixed back in with the 14 others. The application would have to set them to work on separate tasks or more manually coordinate them with the 14 CUs if doing parts of work being done on the 14. Which might be fine depending on what you're doing, and performance wise not be a big loss vs having 18, but it is a hoop to jump through.
(This is assuming our assumptions about how the split works is correct, of course)
As I figured. Just more flexibility. How can anyone say this is a bad thing?
Yeah, it is kind of funny. If one has a slight edge over the other, it doesn't magically make the other weak. Considering people expected MS to focus more on kinect and multifunctionality, they have actually decided to go with quite a powerful system. Really differences are going to be minor. If anything, Sony first parties might make the difference.
Is it too late for MS to add a CU in Durango? I doubt they will sit by and get Sony get a major advantage like that....
So it's halfway between a 7770 and a 7850 (since a desktop 7850 will also be quite a bit higher clocked). That's nowhere near a downclocked 7870.
If they release this at $299....somehow I think that'd be best. With some suggesting that the BOM on this is well below $400, that could be a possibility.
Winning consoles don't release at higher than that
4th gen: Super Nintendo - $199
5th gen: PlayStation - $299
6th gen: PlayStation 2 - $299
7th gen: Wii - $249
So it's halfway between a 7770 and a 7850 (since a desktop 7850 will also be quite a bit higher clocked). That's nowhere near a downclocked 7870.
SOOOOO CAN THIS RUN LUMINOUS TECH DEMO WITH GAMEPAD IN HAND IN REALU-TIMU ?
Yes. There will pretty much be no change in specs for either console aside from maybe some slight clock speed changes and OS reserves before launch.
Durango will be having a compute unit to tackle the physics-simulation stuff, which will negate any boost the PS4 might claim with regard to its flexible CUs. With the GPUs being a wash (that of Durango is rumored to heavily modified), the end results will come down to RAM setups.
SOOOOO CAN THIS RUN LUMINOUS TECH DEMO WITH GAMEPAD IN HAND IN REALU-TIMU ?
Underwhelming is a massive exaggeration considering we know that bottom line to developers and consumers there are no real significant differences. I reserve words like underwhelming for the Wii U.MS is in for a rude awakening if they think releasing underwhelming hardware (compared to its competition) and charging for LIVE is OK. Paying $$ for a bunch of clowns to do jumping jacks in front of your under-powered game will not influence me to buy it.
$299 in 1995 is over $400 today.
Inflation, what is it ?
This is what Proelite "heard" about Orbis
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=43932120#post43932120
He knows as much about Orbis as anyone else. Nothing
Third party will still go for the lowest denominator though.
Third party will still go for the lowest denominator though.
We know that Durango is going to be more bandwidth starved than Orbis.We don't know all GPU details from Durango hardware.
Why are people acting like if we know all Durango details?
Im still waiting for the Vision Gran Turismo video from 2006 to be realised.
i.e number of cars on track, A.I and sounds and also full pit activity
http://youtu.be/wOPO7swloAI
No excuses now Polyphony
That's exactly what I just wrote.
Expect a lot of tech demos at E3.
We know that Durango is going to be more bandwidth starved than Orbis.
this is nearly a year old. pretty much every rumour since then has suggested they bumped the specs. it's ridiculous to use that post to suggest he's a 'liar' or doesn't know more than anyone else.
Looks like it will be Durango for me then.
For them to be a wash, we are missing another piece of Durango info.
Third party will still go for the lowest denominator though.
Yes. We should also see Star Wars 1313 type stuff during the launch window.
this is nearly a year old. pretty much every rumour since then has suggested they bumped the specs. it's ridiculous to use that post to suggest he's a 'liar' or doesn't know more than anyone else.
This is what Proelite "heard" about Orbis
two and a half months ago. American date system.
That post was last November.
yeah, maybe it's the data move engines? it seems strange for a developer to say the difference is the same as that between the gamecube and xbox only to learn that sony potentially have a massive advantage.
something doesn't add up.
It isn't...
A 7970m is a downclocked 7870.
If orbis gpu had all 20 CUs it would be a downclocked 7970m (so a downclocked downclocked 7870).
But it isn't that either, it has only 14 CU's for rendering out of those 20, and 4 for GPGPU stuff like physics).
So no, it isn't a downclocked 7870, much closer to a 7770 more likely.
We don't know all GPU details from Durango hardware.
Why are people acting like if we know all Durango details?
Very late. MS probably heard this news months ago tho.Is it too late for MS to add a CU in Durango? I doubt they will sit by and get Sony get a major advantage like that....
Everyone wants to do what the Wii did. Don't think Sony is any different.MS is actually trying to achieve what Wii did. Casual people (because of integrated kinect and hardware supporting it).
Orbis out of this race is probably the most conservative which is more important for normal hardcore gamers like us.
They have their up and downs. The difference will be marginal.I can't keep up with this! Who's stronger now, Orbis or Durango?
Because unlikely to have a GDC announcement, I could be wrong tho.Why not GDC?
Star Wars 1313 looks current gen Uncharted in the Star Wars Universe (which is a huge complement). Watch Dogs however is far more impressive and doesn't look doable on the PS3.
Aegies said that there is a missing thing on the vgleaks info.
Durango will be having a compute unit to tackle the physics-simulation stuff, which will negate any boost the PS4 might claim with regard to its flexible CUs. With the GPUs being a wash (that of Durango is rumored to heavily modified), the end results will come down to RAM setups.
Third party will still go for the lowest denominator though.
which means delay, if that happensExpect a lot of tech demos at E3.
I'm well aware of this, I'm just comparing graphics rendering performance.
The fact that you implied Orbis GPU being closer to 7770 is more wrong.So it's halfway between a 7770 and a 7850 (since a desktop 7850 will also be quite a bit higher clocked and is rated at 1.76TF, apples to apples since it's the same architecture). That's nowhere near a downclocked 7870.
And to clarify: I'm not ignoring the 4 gpgpu CUs, but the original rumor was 1.8TF 18 CUs + some gpgpu unknown bits.
Orbis still looks favorable compared to durango
But they don't exist in a vacuum, time has passed since the desktop 7870s has released, 8 years has passed since xbox 360 released, new hardware is incoming in Q2 this year 6 months before orbis is out or more.
A downclocked cut down version of a 65W (highly efficient, granted) laptop gpu is dissapointing to me and many others no matter how you look at it., it was never going to be a 250-300W beast but there is a pretty large gray patch of middle ground in between.
Sony seems to have gone for the lower end of the low power low cost scale.
I'm also not being biased when I say a lot of people would have guessed for a higher clocked version of both the GPU and cpu ,not lower clocked ones (seeing as the laptop parts are low clocked because they need to work within a 60-100 W power envelope on a laptop battery in a 1 inch thick laptop casing and all....)
I think my dissapointment comes from a pretty grounded and reasonable basis.