JimmyRustler
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Nothing. This is simply as inaccurate as it can get. The console with the best games always won in long term and will always win in long term.
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VGLeaks: Durango GPU detailed
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velociraptor
Junior Member
Well,
PS4 GPU:
32 ROPS
1.8 TFOPS
720 GPU:
16 ROPS
1.2 TFOPS
On paper, PS4 GPU is like 30-40% better.
The newest devs kits and updated final specs for Orbis went out in January. It seems those kits and targets changed a lot of devs minds from what I've been hearing.
I don't know (or haven't had confirmed) any content exclusives from publishers for either system. But given that, say, COD was marketed as an Xbox game this generation, and saw DLC a month early, and that EA had to react and give BF3 DLC to the PS3 first to try to differentiate, and that almost every "exclusive" PSN or XBLA game went to other platforms six months to a year later, what do you think will happen? The platform holders don't need a game or its DLC forever. They need it first, long enough for people broadly not to care when it shows up later on the other guy's system.
The new kit is something like twice as powerful in many regards as the old spec, so yeah. Developers were happy. It meant one dev target instead of two very different ones.
Yeah, but it will likely not be half the framerate (if you would bench) or anything - I am getting the impression people think that's going to be the case, or that there would be a generational difference in those two systems.
les papillons sexuels
Banned
very little difference between the two. The specs between the two consoles are extremely close, and it'll come down to developer and tools to see which can get more out of their consoles theoretical yield. The numbers that people are throwing around are pretty much useless, just look at the ps3 vs 360 debates, same shit, different generation.
Not too huge. I'd expect Orbis versions of multiplats to have somewhat nicer visuals and perhaps more stable framerates in games where that's an issue, but they'll probably be targeting the same resolution and framerate in many cases.
I only mention them because I think SuperDAE said they'd run something...but dunno what the timetable on that is.
Changed their minds to which direction?
Its so hard to keep up with all these rumors.
if you were Travellers Tales, you'd consider the difference between Vita and 3DS a wash, looking at their ports for evidence..
the specs don't really look like a "slight" difference though
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
I thought it was because Sony gave Ken their credit card & wasn't happy when they got the bill for PS3 production
What's puzzling from his post is there shouldn't be Durango fans or Orbis fans for systems that don't even exist yet. All that would be are fans of Sony or MS, most of which should be ignored IMO since blind corporate loyalty is silly.
Yeah, was thinking this too and I imagine most have missed this point.
It was reflected by the older IGN article IIRC.
It's certainly a possibility (and likely IMO) that the opinion of the dev community does not reflect the opinion of GAF. IME, the opinions shared here are usually in the minority.
WTF? With shit posts like this, it's no wonder I constantly hear about people needing to take a break from GAF.
Metroid-Squadron
Banned
Yeah, that meme ran wild on forums for a while until the disastrous E3 2006.
Glorified G
Member
As long as it's a generational leap and a big gap from the previous gen, I'm satisfied.
This is going to seem like a cop-out because I asked for evidence and you presented it(thank you for that) but I have honestly never heard of this site. Is it reputable?
Uno Venova
Banned
I still have no idea what the difference is in the real world (the internets is not always the best method of objective quantification..). Don't mind a difference anyway, will buy both. But only to a certain extent, even though I have resources I still don't like to waste them.
Anyway, it'll be interesting to see how Microsoft will handle the slightly apparent skew towards Orbis, if and how they will counter it.
Anyway, it'll be interesting to see how Microsoft will handle the slightly apparent skew towards Orbis, if and how they will counter it.
Not true. COD sales on PS3 show that times exclusive 360 DLC doesn't play such a big role.
It renewed confidence in Sony's direction. I don't know if they have a preference at this point but it seems Sony was keeping a lot close to their chest before January. A lot of devs didn't know what was going on with them or what the final target specs would be and were particularly worried about the RAM situation. Newest kits and target specs are powerful with the added bonus of being really easy to work with.
velociraptor
Junior Member
That's what I'm worried about.
The jump from PS2/Xbox > PS3/360 was huge (like 10x)
I'm worried PS3/360 > PS4/720 won't be as big
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
Would love to get Dice's opinion on this. They have been incredibly vocal about needs for next gen, wonder if they are happy with either or both.
It's really very different shit. Unprecedented shit in a way, there never have been consoles that were as architecturally close before. It's more like comparing two Android tablets. Maybe even closer than that, those could at least have different GPU architectures.
Stiflers Mom
Banned
Agreed.
Couldn't care less about Sony or MS.
I go with the "Living Room Windows Box (Durango) vs True Gamers Console(Orbis)"-theme for my hype towards the PS4.
Your mileage may vary, off course...
R
Rösti
Unconfirmed Member
Yes, Dan mentioned Kotaku. Btw, his Twitter account seems to be unprotected now: https://twitter.com/superDaE
Any links to what they've said? I always like reading what DICE has to say on tech.
MrCunningham
Member
"Microsoft shoots for the moon, Sony shoots for he sun." Good times
But seriously I am tired at looking at theoretical numbers and rumored hardware leaks. Show me something substantial already from both sides
But I guess we are all going to have to wait.
Lovely Salsa
Banned
Then thats not a small gap at all. Third party games should look and run better on Orbis
'Soon' is the timetable. I really hate the whole 'soon' stuff. Just give us a date and we will know when to expect it.
timed exclusives are no problem if both have their exclusives
you just get that content later
Ok so I am up to speed then, thought it was some "new" development.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
If the Orbis specs were bumped up last summer then it could be the "a wash" comment was comparing the old Orbis kit.
I just think the various insiders have had info on different specced dev kits leading to massive confusion.
I just think the various insiders have had info on different specced dev kits leading to massive confusion.
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
This right here, so true. This is why people are making a big deal about slight or even significant advantages of one or the other.
Antiochus
Member
From the numbers, a rough approximation would probably be a AMD HD5850 or Nvidia GTX 460 overclocked GPUs. In other words, mid range enthusiast cards from 3 years ago. 1080p, maximal image quality for present generation games should not be an issue. But the same settings at 60fps for next generation games (Agni's Philosophy, CryEngine 4) on the other hand.....
It most definitely will be. Don't let all the ridiculous comparison talks get you down, both consoles are packing some serious horsepower that can be better utilized overall than what it could be if it was a PC.
The games are going to look fantastic and each system will have its own standouts just get past the fanboy feuds and you'll see the silver lining, the next generation of game consoles will both be beasts.
shinobi602
Member
The specs in the PS4/720 blow away the 360/PS3, significantly.
They're more like underclocked and tweaked 7870s. Quite a bit better than the cards you mention. CryEngine 4 also doesn't exist. It's just CryEngine 3.
Raven77
Member
These specs have forced me, yes, forced me to make a predicktion:
Their will be a split this generation or at some point in the next 5-6 years. No longer will there be nothing but do-it-all, please everyone consoles. We will see the console world split into two separate focuses:
- One that focuses on services, lower power and technical specs, a more casual gaming experience.
- The other on high end services, high end gaming, (hardcore, if you will).
Honestly this is the thing that makes the most sense. If you only had one movie theater that showed a single movie at a time, when you play something Rated R you lose a lot of potential business, when you play something Rated G you lose business.
So why not just open up another theater?
Makes sense to my advanced brain.
Their will be a split this generation or at some point in the next 5-6 years. No longer will there be nothing but do-it-all, please everyone consoles. We will see the console world split into two separate focuses:
- One that focuses on services, lower power and technical specs, a more casual gaming experience.
- The other on high end services, high end gaming, (hardcore, if you will).
Honestly this is the thing that makes the most sense. If you only had one movie theater that showed a single movie at a time, when you play something Rated R you lose a lot of potential business, when you play something Rated G you lose business.
So why not just open up another theater?
Makes sense to my advanced brain.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Yep, I actually reckon the games will look identical for the first few years
GAF should question sources harder. Who is behind these VGleaks? Could it be some of the very same GAF posters on here defending them? Still on the skeptical side here. MS knows Sony's position and where they stand financially, can't see them getting out powered by Sony unless they have something up their sleeve in terms of other add-on or new experiences.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
maybe they just have different priorities? Not that hard to believe.
This is what I'm thinking as well. If Microsoft really delivers on the services front then Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft will all have a bit of a niche in the market instead of competing for the same exact audiences. MS and Sony will still but up against one another but not as much. It works for all the companies' benefit.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Sorc3r3r
Member
There is truth in this post.
Neogaf tipical gamer is a minority, and the tech heads caring about maximizing performances have a PC and are even more a niche.
It's about games and price, price becoming more and more important in this economy.
MS is going in this market with a very price/perfomance balanced console if those leaks are accurate.
Only one danger: the ps4 price point, i think the priority is to undercut Sony price of 50, 100 euros/dollars.
metareferential
Member
And even better, PCs already blow both of them out of the water.
Which means that I will only care about exclusive titles, which are going to look astonishingly good on both consoles.
Deuterium
Member
REALITY is when official specifications are confirmed, and named developers go on the record.
Speculation and RUMORS are where we are at the present.
It may very well happen that REALITY will coincide with these unconfirmed leaks, speculations and rumors. It also is quite possible that REALITY will not correspond with said information.
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