alexandros
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Are you questioning Epic on their technical knowledge?
What? I mean really.
Depends on whether it is faux esram or proper.
HollovVpo1nt
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I'm skeptical, but I've yet to see what they have in store. Still, Microsoft is nonexistant in devices and services here. In the US they have at least some services on Xbox LIVE. Have you ever compared EU LIVE to US LIVE? If that is an example of things to come, then it's game over MS.
Well... No.
googleplex
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Eh...thats a little harsh. Both consoles are major leaps over their predecessors. Orbis just seems to be just more of a leap.
Ah so the FFVII remake will come back, this time as a game LOL(that would be quite the megaton if announced in the February presentation).
Hahaha. I wouldn't count on that.
Baconsammy
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First of all, learn what strawman actually means. Second, how am I wrong? The general public doesn't give a shit. GAF says Wii is doomed to fail (lol waggle). Public can't buy enough of them fast enough. GAF says Kinect doomed (LOL jumping around like a fool in front of a camera). Kinect extends the life of 360 by years. GAF says Vita's gonna kill 3DS (Power rawr!). Vita flops. Tell me again how much the general public cares about specs. If whatever fad game/feature comes out next is exclusive to one console, that's the one the public is going to buy. That's what sells consoles/handhelds to the masses. Microsoft is most likely going to market the Kinect as more accurate etc etc blah blah Consumers wont care. The newness of the device is gone. It better have something more than upgraded specs or it will get ignored.
Especially if the rumor that Sony is adding 4 more gigs of ram are true.
shinobi602
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Keep in mind that Epic said the Samaritan demo was extremely unoptimized and UE4 is much, much more efficient.
SneakyStephan
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I'm talking about rationalising one being significantly weaker than the other, or both being weak or anything else by saying it'll be better than the last consoles.
8 years have passed... the 360 isn't a valid metric to judge hardware performance by in 2013.
The answer to your question is in the sentence on the same line right before the conclusion you are replying to.
How is it not? We still play games on it that look pretty damn good for the hardware. It isn't obsolete yet so it becomes part of the discussion because it is still the main focus for Microsoft until the next Xbox comes out.
shinobi602
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Has it bothered the majority of console owners this gen that much? We're still going to see extremely high fidelity games from these consoles.
Goodacre0081
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this is pretty much my thinking too. all this talk of cablebox/kinect has me shaking my head. If MS's only goal is to get a box into the living room then they can go fuck themselves. Sony sounds like they're going to get my money but it's time to change that 20 year old controller.
SapientWolf
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Also keep in mind that devs are going to want to release games that look way better than Samaritan next gen.
Uno Venova
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And they will.
That's because you're viewing them relative to their generation.
If the PS2/Gamecube/Xbox grouping had instead just been PS2/Gamecube the Gamecube would have displayed a very legitimate hardware advantage. The only reason people don't appreciate the hardware inside the GC is because MS splashed the pot with the original Xbox. Even then the Gamecube gave it a hell of a tough fight without being sold at a loss.
Sony has basically engineered the system they've always had to potential to create, but kept getting too cute for their own good. The specs (at least what we know) suggest to me that Sony's philosophy was to basically build an enthusiast grade video card in a box, complete with DDR5 memory, for developers to code directly to. Once that was the vision they then paired it with a CPU that would prevent any bottlenecks, and threw an APU in there as well to give extra flexibility. It's core purpose is to be a high performance, developer friendly system, not to spend resources/funds on anything other than that.
Baconsammy
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I guess, but I don't think it's unfair to compare whatever games Sony and Microsoft show to recent PC games.
Not nearly as funny as thinking the Move comment was in any shape or form a strawman.
Zuhzuhzombie!!
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Nah, I gotcha. I read you're reply wrong, as "They're using a 10 year old GPU". My bad.
SapientWolf
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At 720p. I'm calling it now.
Are hyperrealistic graphics really appealing to everyone? I think it gets to a point where it's too much and violence is too life like. What happened to games as an art based around what the consoles could do?
Sure there are some games I would love to see be near photo representations of lifelike situations like Forza, Madden, NHL or FIFA. I don't want a shooter with perfect recreations of humans getting shot. It's too much to handle even knowing it's a game.
Firstly, gaf isn't a single opinion, it is a community with multiple opinions, as shown by you and the poster you are replying to.
And secondly, gaf is made up of Core gamers, and these largely adopted the x360/ps3 over the wii - not surprising, when you look at it like that. And the HD twins were, you know, HD, which sold a lot of software. Like a lot lot.
if it's not clear, by this I mean they were better specced than wii. gollumsluvslave
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I think RROD is to blame for the Durango's conservative specs.
Once bitten and all that...
Once bitten and all that...
THE:MILKMAN
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Quoting myself for the new page. Anyone have any ideas?
SneakyStephan
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That is not the point, it's not about what people think is acceptable (standards vary wildly depending on the frame of reference people have), but about how it compares to what is out there on the market right now.
The consoles don't exist in a vacuum, the value and merit of what is in them should be compared to modern hardware, not to 8 year old hardware.
People who do mental gymnastics to avoid doing this are just rationalising, nothing more, nothing less.
You don't have to even have an opinion about these specs to realise this.
Clay Davis
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Yeah, I don't think 1080p is happening with these specs.
I just don't understand it. aren't epic rumoured to have been helping microsoft build this console? seems very strange that it's now incapable of running their next gen tech demo.
Appollowexx
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Surely the fact that BOTH these new consoles will be outputting visuals significantly more advanced than the current ones (which still looked pretty darn impressive to me) should be good enough for you guys?
Yeah, it's a completely valid point. Phil Harrison save us.
PopcornMegaphone
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You're going to see that for both consoles. Given that most console owners sit at a distance from their TVs 720p will be an attractive compromise for developers.
shinobi602
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Why do we have to compare the console vs current high end PCs?
There are a lot of consumers out there that are console-only gamers. Each system should be compared to its predecessor, and expectations come from that.
That's true.
I forget that most console owners sit far from their Television screens.
No 3rd part developer is involved in building either consoles. What they can do is lobby though.
Baconsammy
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Firstly, gaf isn't a single opinion, it is a community with multiple opinions, as shown by you and the poster you are replying to.
And secondly, gaf is made up of Core gamers, and these largely adopted the x360/ps3 over the wii - not surprising, when you look at it like that. And the HD twins were, you know, HD, which sold a lot of software. Like a lot lot.
And as such we're generally out of touch with what the public wants/desires. We can wring our hands and gnash our teeth every time a new iOS game sells insane numbers, but the reality is that we're in the minority. So stating that power is the deciding factor in sales is nuts. What could decide sales could be as simple as a Nintendogs, Angry Birds or Minecraft. As much as we may hate that.
If they are in fact going with a more services-oriented approach and do little or nothing to improve the European offering *AND* are less powerful, then they've already lost Europe to both the casuals and the core. It's hard to imagine them doing that, but they're the same people that released the Kin and Vista.
Yes, and while they're at it they should forget about making money too.
Not really apples to apples comparison there, but I agree that we aren't likely to see many 1080p games. Consumer appreciation for the 720p v. 1080p gap isn't large enough to sacrifice the visual advantage.
I'm just hoping we see every game run at a native 720p, no more sub-720p res. games like what CoD does.
Instead of bringing up points to counter mine let's just call me a fanboy and be done with it I guess?
Really if you think the PS4 will match a 2012 high end PC with a i7 and a GTX 690 you're out of your mind, or a i5 with a GTX 580 for that matter.
I'll even go down to a 560 ti 448 and a i5 and still it won't match it and that's mid range.
I'm sorry but going by your thread shitting on the "Sony Target Renders" thread you definitely sounded like a fanboy to me. And going by your posts here I'm not changing my opinion.
People asked over and over again for you and that other guy to stop derailing the thread but you guys kept at it for 2 pages.
Then to add insult to the injury when you finally stopped with the derail you just proclaimed how useless and stupid the whole thread was, posting a stupid family guy pic.
I will be shocked if we see games for either consoles running in sub HD.
It's good enough for me. I know I can get a better PC but the games I want to play isn't available on PC - and I'd rather play most of the games on a console anyway. I'm perfectly happy with this.
I'll reserve my judgment for when I see the games. There is still some possibility for excitement since the aging consoles have held back development in general. That said, if all we get is current-gen PC games (eg BF3 Ultra or whatever since that keeps being used), then no it really isn't good enough. I'd like to be amazed, like every other generation (even xbox 1.5)
googleplex
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I'll punch my self in the dick if Orbis has 8GB of GDDR5. No way that rumor is true.
Yeah, I don't think 1080p is happening with these specs.
And Samaritan doesn't even look that much better than what we currently have. Games like Beyond Two Souls and GoW Ascension look almost indistinguishable from Samaritan.
Diminishing returns...
Clay Davis
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this is what I meant. epic lobbied microsoft this gen to up their ram, so why haven't they lobbied them to make sure durango runs their engine at max?
He has better durango sources?
Early leaks of orbis are in the same ball park as now. They even said the same codename. Liverpool. And mentioned the proposed move from 2gb to 4gb.
I think Amd pushed for 8 core jaguar over quad core steamroller though.
note: sweetvar seemed to imply more resources going with Microsoft. And iirc correctly, even gaf verified devs called x3 'beastly.' So did ex game reviewers.
Every major 3rd party/middleware manufacturer gets to give their two cents to the hardware manufacturers, it doesn't mean they'll listen.
I'd imagine Epic had told Sony that the PS3's design would make UE3 problematic but that didn't stop Sony from going with their esoteric design.
If MS is committed to their business model it doesn't matter how much Epic complains, the business model will remain the same. Some concessions were likely made (maybe that's why we have 8GB of DDR3 instead of 4GB), but they aren't going to scrap the whole thing and change focus if they don't believe in it.
Agent Ironside
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This cannot be said enough in the 1080p vs 720p debate.
720p to 1080 on a PC monitor, sure huge difference. On a average 40 inch television sitting far away? Not enough to justify the performance. And that's performance you could use for more impactful differences that you can notice.
And then you woke up.
Mr.Wreckless
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You have to remember that PC hardware and capabilities matter very little in the console world. Simply there are millions and millions of people out there who do not care about what is going on with the PC and will never use that platform for gaming. To those people if the Durango and Orbis release with a jump in graphics that looks good enough to be considered the next gen then people will buy it and be happy. These people are not going to look at how high end PC games look, compare them to Durango, then make a decision because to them the PC is not an option.
On GAF people may be disappointed with the specs and what they can do in comparison to high end PCs but GAF is an extremely small segment of the game buying public.
Elginer
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Yep, I remember this. At the end of the day BOTH of these systems are going to produce some really nice looking games and exclusives will be where we will really see what each platform is best at. I don't know why we have all this dick waving over some specs. Where at the point where realistically, in 3 years time we're going to see games on these systems that we never thought possible, similar to this gen on both consoles.
It's going to be about services and exclusives.
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