600k? :lol I'm pretty sure Mario didn't even sell that number in November.
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the Rayman Legends devs aren't happy with the delay. WiiU version done?
- Thread starter Malvingt2
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600k? :lol I'm pretty sure Mario didn't even sell that number in November.
I have a Vita. I know that feel.
Platform is not going to get healthier if no games release on it.
H_Prestige
Banned
COD Black Ops
Assassins Creed
Batman
Mass Effect 3
ZombiU
All I remember reading prior to launch was how the Wii U had the most quality launch third party games of any system in history. But now that those games underperformed I guess it means they were never quality to begin with.
Let's be honest, Rayman isn't exactly a huge franchise. Origins didn't set the world on fire, despite being on every platform. So making Legends a Wii U exclusive, and releasing it a couple of months after launch when no one wants even buy the system, or even knows it exists, is a big risk.
Third parties are porting what they can when they can. The games I listed above are massive franchises on the ps3/360. What more do you want? What more can they realistically do?
Bel_Air_Jeff
Banned
it's sold up to 2 million units.
Bel_Air_Jeff
Banned
games that were all previously released on other consoles besides ZombiU..
and zombiU underperformed because of the press' misconception of what "survival horror" is.
If ZombiU was given the appropriate 8+ scores by the press, the game would have sold much better and enticed people into buying the console. The game is really fucking good and deserved better reviews.
lolol. he is good
Bel_Air_Jeff
Banned
I'm not talking about shitty 2 month - year old ports. I'm talking about simultaneous or exclusive third party releases that have hit the Wii U.
How many third party games have been exclusive or had a simultaneous release?
I can think of 1:
Zombi U - An original IP that got snubbed by the press.
Calamari41
41 > 38
If "late port" is a good enough reason to expect a game to bomb on PS360 (literally the reason Ubi is delaying the WiiU version), then its a good enough reason for a game to bomb on Wii U. Batman was over a year old, and ME3 launched at the same price as the entire trilogy collection on PS3. Even Assassin's Creed was a few weeks late.
In November? The console didn't even sell 2 millions in November. How can Mario get that number?
you have no idea what you are talking about
Bel_Air_Jeff
Banned
Up until now. I wasn't talking about in the month of release. I bet rayman could have sold 600k by April. And by September, 1 million.
H_Prestige
Banned
Black Ops 2 and AC came out at basically the same time as the other versions. A week or two difference doesn't matter.
And those games support off screen play, which is apparently a killer feature.
Bel_Air_Jeff
Banned
Let's be honest, Rayman would have gotten acclaimed reviews from the press. Saying it's a must-buy for any Wii U owner.
The game would have sold units in this awful drought.
The game would have sold units in this awful drought.
Bel_Air_Jeff
Banned
It does matter when the other consoles it came out for have been out for 6 - 7 years and has an established base.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
They'd have the PS360 cushion regardless, not like it really helped Origins. If the Wii U game they release in September is the exact same one that's finished now, the delay will have been a strategic blunder as it's almost assurred to sell less at that point.
Mithos
Member
Calamari41
41 > 38
These games sell millions upon millions on the first day alone. I would say it makes a difference, especially when it is barely even advertised that they are coming to the Wii U as well.
Rayman is actually fairly huge...
http://ca.ign.com/articles/2001/12/08/rayman-sales-top-ten-million
And that 10 million was 10 years ago lol. But yeah, sales wise so far its glory years are far behind
Bel_Air_Jeff
Banned
WHAT UBISOFT SHOULD HAVE DONE:
1. Released Rayman Legends 'Wii U exclusive' on February 26
2. A small advertising campaign including ads on youtube, maybe a commercial or two on Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network.
3. Taken advantage of the drought in games in the Wii U's lineup.
4. At E3, announced that the games are also coming to ps3/360 in september.
They could have built their trust with nintendo and could have pushed some console units even.
1. Released Rayman Legends 'Wii U exclusive' on February 26
2. A small advertising campaign including ads on youtube, maybe a commercial or two on Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network.
3. Taken advantage of the drought in games in the Wii U's lineup.
4. At E3, announced that the games are also coming to ps3/360 in september.
They could have built their trust with nintendo and could have pushed some console units even.
Linkstrikesback
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Sonic all stars racing transformed sold over 230k by december(date might be wrong? Whenever Segas fincial meeting counted up to in any case), and that was competing against PS3, 360 and Vita versions at the time.
I'm certain rayman as the most high profile exclusive the system had coming would have done very well, at a very conservative guess, I'd put it at 300k units for withing a month of launch. Probably closer to 400-450k.
Maybe that isn't enough. I don't know
I could easily imaging that it would have had good legs at least until winter when all the major games start dropping (in september...) given the relatively sparse calender, but we'll never know now.
ChosenPredator
Banned
His voice is so awesome too lol
Meesh
Member
Pushing the launch date back 7 months to port to PS360 for simultaneous release...is it possible they're doing this to determine where/ which platform they'll be focusing on next gen? Maybe they're gauging to see where Raymans future belongs? Just a thought as I don't know sales of origins to compare.
I want third parties to release software consistently so there are no droughts, like they do for other systems.
To make it clear, I am equally annoyed by the lack of software for the Vita.
I know it may not be fair to expect each and every third party title to hit the console of my choice, but the reasons for lack of support so far have been ridiculous. It is a circular argument. Consoles need software in order to promote a healthy environment for developers to work. In order to do that, publishers need to be less risk averse and actually focus on the platforms in question.
Part of me suspects that publishers and, therefore developers, are going to tiptoe into next gen. I mean, if install base and worry about sales is the biggest factor in deciding if/when a platform gets support, what possible motivation are pubs going to have to produce content for Microsoft and Sony's next machines?
One of the big three are going to need to do something really special in order to attract the required numbers. Nintendo have clearly failed to do so, barring any future surprise. What have Microsoft and Sony got?
H_Prestige
Banned
Well then I guess they're out of options, right? That's basically what you're telling me. I mean even if they did simultaneous releases of their ps3/360 games from now on, they would all sell on ps3/360 because that's where the base is. So what's the point then? Why should they spend resources on Wii U?
Activision and Ubisoft are trying just that with COD and AC. Near simultaneous launch. That's 1:1 support compared with the ps3/360.
Nobody is going to dedicate special resources to make special Wii U games whenever Nintendo decides to have a drought in their lineup. Nobody does that for ps3 and nobody does that for 360. This is multiplatform era.
Bel_Air_Jeff
Banned
To start supporting a console that has many years ahead of it? You have to start somewhere...
Baconsammy
Banned
I'd wager that by adding 360/PS3 and most likely PC to the list release list consoles is going to significantly add to their total. A lot.
H_Prestige
Banned
They are doing the most practical thing, which is giving it ports of ps3/360 titles during this next gen transition.
Two games from two pubs launching simultaneously does not equal sufficient third party support, sorry, and it is certainly not going to be moving any consoles for the buyer looking at the future.
It is not that third parties need to make games when Nintendo have a gap, it is that there shouldn't be a gap in the first place. If pubs can green light special games for the PS3, they can do it for the Wii U. And if they can do it for the 3DS, then they can also do it for the Vita.
Schnozberry
Member
If Origins is any indication, not until the fire sale.
H_Prestige
Banned
Such as?
These guys are trying to make money, not release games for a system just because it exists. It would be absolutely foolish to make a Vita game. The system is dead. That's throwing money down the toilet.
With Wii U, some pubs realize it is a ps3/360 equivalent, and so they try porting games over to see how they sell. Others are more cautious and take a wait and see approach. Can't blame them. Is it better to spend resources on next gen development or to spend resources figuring out how to develop for the Nintendo 360, when you don't even intend to make games for the actual 360 for much longer?
walking fiend
Member
Mario has SHIPPED 2m, as I broke down sale somewhere else, Wii U has barely passed 2m by now:
Japan: 760k
US: 860k + whatever it has sold in January
Europe ?
So it has sold so far:
1620k + US Jan + Europe
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NSMBU till now:
1020k + US Jan + Europe
Japan: 760k
US: 860k + whatever it has sold in January
Europe ?
So it has sold so far:
1620k + US Jan + Europe
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NSMBU till now:
1020k + US Jan + Europe
2 million after 3 months would still be more than 360/ps3 did in 3 months. Tho I thought WiiU was closer to 3 mill?
http://www.technobuffalo.com/2013/02/08/wii-u-sells-3-million-since-launch/
Stop making sense.
walking fiend
Member
They have sold that much to retailers; sell-through, sold to customers, may reach 3m at the end of 'this' month.
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Putting Mario sales to perspective, I assume Zombi U has probably sold, in the best case scenario, few hundred thousand units, maybe 300k or something; and that is for every 3 person who bought mario, one bought ZombiU
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Also note publishers aren't comparing Wii U sales to PS3/360 at launch, but potential sales of the 360/PS3 in the near future, and of course launch of PS4/Nextbox.
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Though, I am not saying they are right in their assumption that Nextbox/PS4 will sell more than Wii U at launch individually, or that Wii U sales will not exponentially increase as new titles are released; but still it is not easy to predict if those consoles combined will not significantly outsell Wii U; the difference compared to the last gen, is that they are apparently launching together
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Sitting on a finished game during a software drought is the most practical thing?
Releasing Rayman now on Wii U as a timed exclusive, doesn't stop them from being able to release the ports in September.
I own a Vita and a Wii U and got them both at launch full price, I'm scared to buy another launch console after all this shit it feels like i enjoy throwing away money. Lack of developer support will scare any potential customer away but what can we do if developers dont want to make games for the damn thing. The rules of the gaming industry should change because now its like sink or swim with no one to lend you a hand. On another note I guess thats the way of business only the strong survive while the weak get fed scraps until either they starve or die out. Rayman being exclusive to the Wii u was the only reason I purchased the thing so soon so i feel like a complete ass.
Green Yoshi
Member
^^
Very nice yet so disappointing at the same time.
^^
Pretty funny that one picture mentions hype for games that are on time and then name drops GTA.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
fyi, you guys have highly inflated sales expectations... zombi isn't even at 150k world wide for example. and that's one of the best sellers.
ive said it before, there's no software sales momentum at all for the platform
ive said it before, there's no software sales momentum at all for the platform
link?
And creating momentum requires compelling software to be released...
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
ZombiU sold under 40k total outside the US (100k+) and Japan (10k+)? I'd have thought PAL got at least 40k in bundles alone?
ZombiU had bad reviews and the demo was out late. ZombiU is not on every demo set. The Miiverse reaction after Rayman's demo was available in eshop was pretty strong and very positive. And a platformer should sell more on a Nintendo console than a horror survival. And Rayman was the key release of the 1Q until it was delayed.
Damn, I kinda understand Ubi now.Shitty situation for all parties involved.
You know how the Zombi U dev team put graffiti messages in the game periodically? Pretty sure I remember them writing there ''thanks for 200k unique players!'' or something like that. And that was a while ago. Still wouldn't be *great* numbers, tho.
Does your source include bundles or downloads? 250k would be my guess, which would not be terrible for a somewhat poorly reviewed M-rated title not suited to the expected demographic (like Rayman would be). And Zombi isn't in bargain bins or discounted, and will be bundled in a special US sku. It's numbers can continue to grow with the system, in other words.
Hmm, I wonder if that US bundle is finally what made them agree to patch that game's breaking bugs?
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