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Dude buys around 45 copies of the LE Hyrule Historia just to sell on Craigslist

Codeblue

Member
More power to him I guess. The only way to correct this junk is to use an LE system built for fans and not for scalpers. This is 100% the publishers failing. 44 more of these on the market wouldn't really make a dent in the lack of supply.

Also screw the retailer that decided to ship 50 copies to one guy.
 
This is capitalism, I wish more people were angry about this when it comes to everything else in their daily lives instead of just some gaming shit. The worst thing about it is it goes beyond luxuries and into necessities for people.



An investment only available to those wealthy enough to participate, which ends up screwing over those who aren't.

In one case, selection is done by money, and in the other, selection is done by shortage. At least selection by money is fair.
 

Angry Fork

Member
true, i wonder if people still wouldnt care if someone did this with something crucial like food or water or a virus vaccine. would it still just be considered a normal guy trying to make money through capitalism.

This is why nationalization or community control of things everyone uses is a good thing, while private control could stay for extra fluff if necessary.
 

Xzeon

Banned
Oops, I added some stuff to the post above. I think it's a totally different situation.

I wonder how much money medical companies make on medicines, cancer drugs, etc.

they make a fuck ton.

its why the 'fuck over everyone for money' state of mind makes me sick.

just a bunch of companies with monopolies screwing over poor people and other smaller companies.

this guy obviously already had enough fucking money to buy all of these books in the first place, hes just being greedy.
 

fates

Member
Even if they had enforced a one per customer limit, it would STILL command a high after market price.

That's true, but it would prevent incredibly fast sellouts from people buying up their allotment in mass like this. Where this guy got 1.5% of all the LEs, the percent of whatever retailer's stock they bought from is naturally higher.
 
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Retro_

Unconfirmed Member
Welcome to the way markets work.

Nobody would want this if it was mass produced.

Limited Quantities + High Demand drives up prices. The after market price for this would be high regardless of this Craigslist guy due to the limited production of this book.

Even if they had enforced a one per customer limit, it would STILL command a high after market price.

Why is this being lost on people?

It's not really...

At least not on me

I think you're just blindly reacting to quotes out of context and as a result you've lost your place in the conversation
 

Mandoric

Banned
1.) Amazon should give a shit because they ended up cancelling orders other people made as a result of going over their allotment.. BECAUSE THEY MIGHT HAVE GIVEN 40+ COPIES OUT OF A 4000 RUN TO ONE ORDER. A 4000 run that they weren't the only retailer for. In the end, I was just making a theoretical assumption if amazon was indeed the retailer that sold it to the scalper.

2.) How in the world did your brain come up with that? Ni No Kuni WE was sold to Playcanada during the Ninostarter promo. That promo had no limits because they wanted to see how many they had to MAKE. No one lost out on a WE because of that. Their order ironically contributed to unlocking more of the extras in the WE as a result.

I was just saying there is a difference between HH LE and Ni No Kuni because with the book, there was a set limit from the very beginning by Dark Horse, whereas with Ni No Kuni, there wasn't one because Namco were only going to make a certain number of WE's based on the number of orders they received.

Misread-it sounded like you were complaining about NnK as even worse, when obviously yeah it's better.

As for Amazon (or whatever retailer), how is having to cancel other orders a problem for them? They cancel 44 of his, they cancel 44 of someone else's, either way they're oversold and either way someone's mad.
they make a fuck ton.

its why the 'fuck over everyone for money' state of mind makes me sick.

just a bunch of companies with monopolies screwing over poor people and other smaller companies.

this guy obviously already had enough fucking money to buy all of these books in the first place, hes just being greedy.

Nintendo has enough money to print 4,044 rather than 4,000 and completely sideline this dude. Why are they just being greedy?

Count-limited editions at a premium are "who can we gouge the hardest" on every single level. You want fair? Plenty of companies make time-limited editions, preorder-only editions, hell, you can shake out stuff like this by making buyers enter a free drawing for the right to place a single order.
 

chrono01

Member
Looks similar to the playCanada /Ni No Kuni WE situation, only difference being that if amazon was the retailer that sold that many copies to him, they're the ones at fault for not setting a limit, especially knowing beforehand how many were going to be published, as opposed to Namco, which only made WE's depending on how many orders were placed by customers during its initial offering; playCanada made an order for 200+ and so namco made 200+ for them.

Ugh, not a fan of the gamecollecting subforum on reddit either.

Edit Never mind. I mis-read your post. ~_~
 
I have mixed feelings about this.

On the one hand, what he's doing isn't wrong. If he has the money to buy a bunch of something in demand and sell it at a premium, well. That's just how it works. As someone said, he's basically a store.

On the other hand, I really wanted one of these, and found out about it waaaaaay too late. Additionally, it sucks hard for people who actually DID preorder them and didn't get one.

Oh well. What can you do? I'll more than likely be buying one at a premium. :/
 
what if it was something you actually wanted though? would you still not care?



just cuz stuff is legal doesnt make it right, not all laws are just.

i still think it was a dick move, but others see nothing wrong with it.

it looks like were divided about 50/50 over this.

the 'fuck over everyone for money' mentality is stronger than i thought.

I agree with you whole heartedly right there. The way things work sometimes is messed up in itself.
 

Xzeon

Banned
Misread-it sounded like you were complaining about NnK as even worse, when obviously yeah it's better.

As for Amazon (or whatever retailer), how is having to cancel other orders a problem for them? They cancel 44 of his, they cancel 44 of someone else's, either way they're oversold and either way someone's mad.


Nintendo has enough money to print 4,044 rather than 4,000 and completely sideline this dude. Why are they just being greedy?

Count-limited editions at a premium are "who can we gouge the hardest" on every single level. You want fair? Plenty of companies make time-limited editions, preorder-only editions, hell, you can shake out stuff like this by making buyers enter a free drawing for the right to place a single order.

Nintendo actually made the product though, and they have employees to pay, taxes to pay and a bunch of other stuff is involved on a super massive scale. this is just some guy leeching off their product for pure profit that he gets 100% of.

i do think Limited Edition stuff, Pre Order goodies and expensive DLC bullshit is hurting the gaming industry as a whole though.
 

Shig

Strap on your hooker ...
i still think it was a dick move, but others see nothing wrong with it.

it looks like were divided about 50/50 over this.

the 'fuck over everyone for money' mentality is stronger than i thought.
In this particular case, it just seems silly from any angle. This is essentially a variant cover, the base product offered here is identical and readily available.

And it's not even a good variant cover! If it had some exclusive-for-this-edition wrap-around art by the Zelda team or something, then okay, sure, I could see collectors going nuts for it. But it's the exact same logo as the standard edition on a blander background and without the nice gold ink embellishment!

It was hard enough to see why people would want to pay a premium for it when it went up at normal price. Now that they're paying wild premiums, it's downright pitiable. If you're lusting over something to such a degree for no reason any more significant than "because it's a rare variant," reevaluate your criteria.
 

Gen X

Trust no one. Eat steaks.
I don't see anything wrong with it. If he has the capital to waste and is willing to take a risk then good on him.

The only problem I have with ordering this amount is it should be limited to say 3 per person per order within a certain time frame (say 24hrs if ordering online) just to give others a chance but if stores allow unlimited quantities per person then more fool them.

Also screw the retailer that decided to ship 50 copies to one guy.

Exactly.
 
Misread-it sounded like you were complaining about NnK as even worse, when obviously yeah it's better.

As for Amazon (or whatever retailer), how is having to cancel other orders a problem for them? They cancel 44 of his, they cancel 44 of someone else's, either way they're oversold and either way someone's mad.

As a business, I'd rather have 1 mad customer who should have been limited to only 1 copy per account/address in the first place, rather having than 44 mad customers, which might cause any one number of them to never shop with my store again.

In the end, as someone else in the thread mentioned, no "rules" were broken; it just sucks that scalpers are once again profiteering off items such as this.
 

Trickster

Member
If people should be mad at anyone for this situation, shouldn't they be mad at nintendo ( or whoever is behind making this book ), for making the damn thing limited in the first place?
 

Xzeon

Banned
In this particular case, it just seems silly from any angle. This is essentially a variant cover, the base product offered here is identical and readily available.

And it's not even a good variant cover! If it had some exclusive-for-this-edition wrap-around art by the Zelda team or something, then okay, sure, I could see collectors going nuts for it. But it's the exact same logo as the standard edition on a blander background and without the nice gold ink embellishment!

It was hard enough to see why people would want to pay a premium for it when it went up at normal price. Now that they're paying wild premiums, it's downright pitiable. If you're lusting over something to such a degree for no reason any more significant than "because it's a rare variant," reevaluate your criteria.

it all comes back to opinion, maybe people like this version more.

to me its not about the product and more about the principle of the matter.

just cuz you think its dumb doesnt make it worth less, so it sucks for people that genuinely want this.
 
First come, first serve. They should have limited it to 1 per customer, but apparantly they didn't. I'm sure if there's enough demand there will be a second print.

Considering Amazon probably used an RNG or LIFO to ship these out (considering I know people who ordered after me who got it), FCFS doesn't really apply here. People like that guy didn't help things either by buying up a large amount of the available stock.
 

Loofy

Member
Welcome to the way markets work.

Nobody would want this if it was mass produced.

Limited Quantities + High Demand drives up prices. The after market price for this would be high regardless of this Craigslist guy due to the limited production of this book.

Even if they had enforced a one per customer limit, it would STILL command 400% markup in the after market.

Why is this being lost on people?
If they enforced a limit of one per customer. Thats 44 more people that wouldnt have gotten their orders cancelled. Thats what this thread is about.
I like how "It's capitalism LOLZ" somehow excuses this guy of being a douchebag.

When the pizza arrives at a party, do you immediately pile six slices onto your plate and say "First come, first served!"?
this.
 
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Retro_

Unconfirmed Member
demonstrate to me that you don't understand that this markup would have to be paid regardless of whether or not this guy scoped up 45 copies.

Again a result of you blindly responding to comments without understanding the context.

because the original post of mine you responded was not addressing this one guy buying 45, but that the book sold out in half a day because of its extremely limited print.

You're arguing against my posts from the same side. I don't think what this guy did is wrong or special. Just a byproduct of this kind of low print run. I made that pretty clear in a post above the one you quoted on the same page. :/


Are you up to speed now?
 

fvng

Member
You're arguing against my posts from the same side. I don't think what this guy did is wrong or special. Just a byproduct of this kind of low print run. I made that pretty clear in a post above the one you quoted on the same page. :/

Got you. My error.


If they enforced a limit of one per customer. Thats 44 more people that wouldnt have gotten their orders cancelled. Thats what this thread is about.
.

My only point is the markup would still exist even if this guy hasn't scooped up 1.25% of copies.

I didn't bother buying it when it first went on sale. That's my fault, I'm fully prepared to pay a premium.
 

Loofy

Member
Thus my comment explaining basic supply and demand. Book would have had a 200% markup for me regardless because I didn't bother buying it when it first went on sale.
People know how supply and demand work. Its irrelevant. A new console can be worth $1000 on launch, the person near the front of the line buying half the store inventory to resell is still a horrible person.
 

fvng

Member
People know how supply and demand work. Its irrelevant. A new console can be $1000 on launch, the person near the front of the line buying half the store inventory is still a horrible person.

That's debatable. I would fault the store before him since he's not breaking any rules, he's working within the parameters of the system. That's why you ask the publisher and retailer to enforce a one per customer limit.

I don't see anything unethical about it unless the store owner was working behind the scenes to guarantee a customer most of the units. (Which I saw happen first hand with an electronics store manager that I know with Wiis)
 

Loofy

Member
That's debatable. I would fault the storebefore him since he's not breaking any rules, he's working within the parameters of the system. That's why you ask the publisher and retailer to enforce a one per customer limit.
Fault both. Hoarding isnt ok just because a store allows it. Decency isnt a policy.
 

Fox Mulder

Member
If people should be mad at anyone for this situation, shouldn't they be mad at nintendo ( or whoever is behind making this book ), for making the damn thing limited in the first place?

People should actually be used to Nintendo having issues with limited runs by now.
 

Xzeon

Banned
Fault both. Hoarding isnt ok just because a store allows it.

if it was a law that people couldnt buy up stuff in mass quantities would people think the law is wrong or think the guy was in the wrong for breaking the law.

are people defending the guy just cuz its legal.
 
I don't have a problem with this. It's a video game book, not a vaccine. And on top of that, the regular version is pretty freely available.
 

fates

Member
If people should be mad at anyone for this situation, shouldn't they be mad at nintendo ( or whoever is behind making this book ), for making the damn thing limited in the first place?

The company in question is Dark Horse. Nintendo did not publish this book, they licensed it to Dark Horse.

LEs with Dark Horse are notoriously screwy. And by notoriously screwy, I mean the Hyrule Historia LE and the less known but even bigger mess that was the Amano signed edition of The Sky. In the case of the latter, Dark Horse never stated the final number of copies until after launch (might have been because they had to wait to find out how many Amano was willing to sign), and as a result virtually every store oversold it. People got screwed, and now it's going for 800$ on second hand retailers. But in that case, the fault was purely on Dark Horse, they never told anyone what to expect, allegedly.

Now with Hyrule Historia LE, Dark Horse said they were incredibly clear to retailers about their allotment of copies, but some still oversold (Barnes and Noble seemed to be the biggest offender here, with Amazon goofing a little too). Retailers really do need to look into something like a separate system to deal with sales of limited edition items. Scalping is a huge problem that retailers can at least help to reduce by enforcing copies per address limits. I've seen it done it with hardware (namely the Wii and DS back in the day), so they should implement those systems here too.
 

Eusis

Member
For that matter, at this point re NnK, you're literally arguing for FEWER PEOPLE TO EVENTUALLY GET COPIES solely because it'll make the scalpers suffer too.
Yeah, Amazon sucks for not bothering to put a limit on book orders and screw over a lot of people who THOUGHT they were safe, but PlayCanada only caused more copies to be made. It only LOOKS bad because Digital River botched their allotments, shipping, and replacement program so badly, if everything went as it should it'd be like DR2K's trying to argue for in regards to this situation: people who really wanted it should've tried to order ahead of time, but at least PlayCanada provided a last resort for people rich enough who REALLY wanted this. Even if that logic can't apply here.

Personally, I'm just amazed at how many just come to this guy's defense. Yeah, he technically didn't do anything that he wasn't explicitly forbidden from, but it's still kind of a dick move. Most of the anger should rightly go to Amazon though, this is just a guy who got lucky in the worst way.
 

fates

Member
Yeah, he technically didn't do anything that he wasn't explicitly forbidden from,

To be fair, scalping is a misdemeanor crime in some states in the United States. I think Pennsylvania is one of them.

The law may be limited to tickets, though.
 

hitmon

Member
My friend was trying to get this, but it went out of stock pretty fast so it sucks for him. Personally, I think the regular version looks better.
 

fvng

Member
Everyone hates paying an after market premium for an item that was sold out, but they love it when they sell their rare goods and demand the best possible market price for them. It works both ways.

I have bought tickets for concerts on ebay and paid a premium because I forgot to buy them when they went on sale. I happily paid that premium for the privilege of going to the show.
 

Eusis

Member
To be fair, scalping is a misdemeanor crime in some states in the United States. I think Pennsylvania is one of them.

The law may be limited to tickets, though.
Yeah, I was thinking about it, but figured that's all it was limited to. It does make sense, pre-orders SHOULD indicate you could quietly raise the print count by 1000 or so, that's absolutely what was done with the WE, and stadium/theater seats... can't be conjured up out of thin air based on demand. This is something the publisher and retailer should have been able to fixed, but failed to do so.

But the fact that it's illegal for tickets shows that no, this really isn't "OK" behavior because "capitalism baby!"
 

C4Lukins

Junior Member
Bought it on Amazon as a gift February 2nd, it said one to two weeks for delivery, my brother received his gift on the 8th. It at least was not hard to get a week ago. Not sure hoarding it will do anyone any good.
 

fates

Member
Everyone hates paying an after market premium for an item that was sold out, but they love it when they sell their rare goods and demand the best possible market price for them. It works both ways.

Why are you assuming that people who take issue with this practice do it themselves? You've said this multiple times as if you know people here are doing this too.

the ebay shoppers.

That's a good point, too. Scalpers do it because they know they're gonna get a sale. People need to stop buying from them to deter them too.
 

fvng

Member
Why are you assuming that people who take issue with this practice do it themselves? You've said this multiple times as if you know people here are doing this too.

Fair enough let's find out once and for all then,

To Anyone here with a Ni No Kuni: Wizard Edition:

If you're strapped for cash, please let us know whether you'd sell it for what you paid (Approx $100 excluding shippping) or if you would sell it for the current market value (400 to 500)
 
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Retro_

Unconfirmed Member
But the fact that it's illegal for tickets shows that no, this really isn't "OK" behavior because "capitalism baby!"

Well the difference between this and tickets is that a ticket isn't a good. It's for admission to a service for which space is actually physically limited. (although good arguments can be made for why it should be considered a good as well)

Here the limit is artificially created by the publisher to "create value" for their product, and the consumer is paying directly for ownership of that product which is transferable. While with tickets you can argue that the scalper does not have a service to sell or the right to sell a service that they themselves do not provide.

So it's not quite the same. (one ticket per customer makes sense for tickets, as any one person can only use one. but it's a little trickier when you start questioning motives for why people want to buy physical goods, and limiting them based of that.)
 

cakefoo

Member
Ticket comparison is flawed because all those unsold tickets result in lost concession sales and memorabilia. That's probably why they don't like scalpers.

Console scalpers are also frowned upon by electronics stores because it means fewer loyal local customers who will buy games and accessories; instead they're buying bubble wrap at the office supply store.
 

fates

Member
∀ Narayan;47784354 said:
What's the difference between the LE and the standard edition?

Brown faux leather cover and gold siding on the pages. No content differences.

It's a pretty weak LE, to be sure. The gold trim is a nice touch, but most agree the regular edition cover is nicer.
 
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