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Pachter: Wii U a "mistake Nintendo may never recover from"
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Holy Order Sol
Member
So now he's changing it again? I've lost count.
IcyRhythms
Member
Nintendo needed an HD Zelda game at launch IMHO.
I think they'll still be fine in the end.
I think they'll still be fine in the end.
Steve Youngblood
Member
Part of the understanding I have with the struggles of the 3DS are that apparently, software sales are struggling. Yes, hardware doesn't look too bad, although year-over-year decline is certainly troubling. But I've gotten the impression that some of the Nintendo software does all right, but many third party offerings that would have done well back in the DS days are struggling.
I really hope it isn't, otherwise he's more of a fool than I thought he was! /Internet Asshole.
Baconsammy
Banned
The only reason I brought up the Vita was because you were comparing 1 Sony system (Which you called successful, then backtracked.) to 2 'struggling' Nintendo systems, while ignoring the almost dead system Sony have around their neck.
I didn't backtrack, but you're right in pointing out that I'm not all that committed to calling the PS3 a "success". =)
Vane_MagicCity
Banned
Half price in 4 months, tells you something.
Unlikely. For any other company the GameCube situation would have killed them.
KungFucius
King Snowflake
The other option that no one talks about is Nintendo going private rather than 3rd party. They could conceivably do so and still make a decent business out of being a 1st party niche business.
Whose going to buy them? If you are thinking private equity, that would be a disaster for Nintendo fans.
tly
Yea because they are the ones here moving goalposts constanly lol
The keyword here is "may" guys and girls. Unfortunately none of us actually knows how the future is going to play out. The PS4 and next Xbox could end up in disaster and so could the Wii U, there just has to be more time for this gen to develop.
Things definitely don't look good for the Wii U, it's true. But it is just way too earlier to say anything too damning.
Things definitely don't look good for the Wii U, it's true. But it is just way too earlier to say anything too damning.
ArkkAngel007
Member
Until the marketing improves and the Wii U isn't the most expensive option out on the market, it's going to continue to have issues. Sales may improve with the release of some first party games, but that's just for people like us. John Smith Jr. down the road just wants what he can afford and that matches what his friends own.
The "doomed or not" predictions that we go over every 2 weeks is getting old though.
The "doomed or not" predictions that we go over every 2 weeks is getting old though.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
But that's the entire market right now. Software is down across the board.
Well, that and the fact that $40 is way too much for a portable game. The public has clearly rejected that pricing structure.
The Abominable Snowman
Member
The Gamecube era was propped up by the GBA. I dont think the 3DS is putting up anywhere near GBA revenue.
Nintendo will likely converge the Wii and DS lines into something new. Its about that time, and it'll work out for them, I feel. The Wii U bombing hard worldwide in every territory doesn't take away from Nintendo's potential, just their presence.
Nintendo will likely converge the Wii and DS lines into something new. Its about that time, and it'll work out for them, I feel. The Wii U bombing hard worldwide in every territory doesn't take away from Nintendo's potential, just their presence.
Synth_floyd
Banned
They can definitely recover from it. I mean they recovered from the horrible bomb that was the Gamecube. It will be difficult though. They ceded the core market to Sony and MS and the casual market has mostly gone to tablets and smartphones. They need to find another market to conquer, as well as hope that they can keep making money off of Mario, Zelda, etc.
Mario Kart won't do it either. It's an "evergreen" title, but not something that makes a huge public splash.
Wii hooked in a huge install base with Wii Sports and then Wii Fit, which were newish ideas that caught the public imagination. Wii U needs a game that makes the public say "OMG! I need this!", or it'll languish as a new GameCube. (Neither a success nor a failure, but still a disappointment.)
Nintendo really need to go all out on Wii U to get it established before the imminent Ps4/720 launch. At this point it seems like Nintendo doesn't even realize/care that they're coming.
Fans loved GameCube though, it had some amazing titles. Wii U is very early, but if they don't release those same types of classics, you have to wonder if they'll wear out the patience of their faithful fans.
Fans loved GameCube though, it had some amazing titles. Wii U is very early, but if they don't release those same types of classics, you have to wonder if they'll wear out the patience of their faithful fans.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Mario Kart Wii sold over a million copies in four days. That's not a "big splash?"
Mario Kart 7 sold 3DS, Mario Kart DS sold DS, and Mario Kart Wii sold Wiis. I'm not sure how this evidence points to anything other than it being a popular title that makes people want the system.
semiconscious
Member
parents will still buy it (if they're able to afford it). but, yeah, otherwise, this's hard to disagree with: the wii was a unique phenomenon, but the wii u never will be...
but i'm still not seeing 'not a sensation' as necessarily being the same thing as 'doomed'
...Chû Totoro
Member
And maybe you shouldn't read those people's posts too? You see, you shouldn't bother. It's the same.
Red Chocobo
Banned
I remember when Sony would never "recover" from the PS3's first year......
AZ Greg
Member
I love how you guys call him the drama queen but then assume his "may never recover" line is him saying the WiiU is going the way of the Dramcast and Nintendo the way of Sega!
I take it as never recover enough to become market leader ala last generation or never recover enough to get solid 3rd party support.
I take it as never recover enough to become market leader ala last generation or never recover enough to get solid 3rd party support.
MadOdorMachine
No additional functions
I think GC levels are about all we can expect unless something drastic changes. It will either take Microsoft and Sony making colossal f-ups or somehow Nintendo reaches out to third parties. Basically, it will take a miracle.
The trend is that you buy a Nintendo machine for Nintendo games. This dates back to the N64 and I see no sign of that changing ever.
GregLombardi
Member
Because Nintendo recovered quite well from the GameCube.
Do you mean like how they initially launched the NES and didn't allow third parties to develop for them? If so, it's funny because I was actually thinking along the same lines earlier. I wonder if something like that is possible in this day and age?
It's pretty amazing how he's been consistently wrong. It can't even be chance at this point, he must be trolling for hits (for a show he doesn't get paid forapparently?)
Glass Rebel
Member
The 40$ pricepoint is definitely screwing with them when you can get smartphone games for 99c or free. Lowering it to 30$ for "premium" software might do the trick but that would require games with less content, cutting manufacturing costs, having strong alternate revenue streams like digital and DLC, or even Nintendo taking a hit with royalties. It's not an easy position in the West.
Ken Masters
Banned
That's true, I have 6 3DS games, and have paid no more then $20 for any of them (except KH which I paid $30), all of them being Nintendo titles
for the DS, I don't remember Nintendo title ever going on sale, even years after release With the 3DS it's not quite common
Mario Kart is a big game, I never said it wasn't, but it doesn't sell systems. Not in the way Nintendo needs, anyway. (Brain Age sold DS, not Mario Kart. I don't know what the 3DS' killer app is, I think it just steadily crept upward in sales after its price drop.)
Mario Kart is one of those titles that sells in big numbers to people who typically already own the system, or in a bundle after the system is established.
Boss Man
Member
Can't find a blue ocean every generation. No one can. Nintendo may or may not recover, but that's going to depend very heavily on how they approach their future hardware. The value of traditional console hardware may be waning to a point where the company needs to reevaluate its stance in the market.
BTW, I am in no way suggesting they should go 3rd party. That would change the company in a huge number of ways that may prove destructive.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
The wii U just needs some of that secret sauce and it will be just fine.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
It´s not fine, and it´s not up to you to decide that. The machine is not living up to Nintendo´s expectations, which means that their share price is going to suffer. In my post i did not compare it to the DS. I compared it to last year´s 3DS result. The 3DS had 5 weeks in January´s NPD, and yet it sold less than last year even though the 3DS in January 2012 NPD and it had 4 weeks to count. And lol, it does not matter one bit that you think it´s fine as long as the 3DS is under performing it´s failing to meet Nintendo´s expectations, it means it´s failing and the share price of the company will fall because of it, and their finance will suffer as well.
Schnozberry
Member
He is clearly barking at the moon. Nintendo may struggle for some months to get the Wii U established, but I think the second analyst is closer to reality.
It needs games and a new marketing strategy. A price drop for the holidays will help as well. But to say they will never recover is to make the case that Nintendo's IP won't sell the system, which is nonsense. It may not be the market leader when all is said and done, but I think Nintendo will make money on it.
It needs games and a new marketing strategy. A price drop for the holidays will help as well. But to say they will never recover is to make the case that Nintendo's IP won't sell the system, which is nonsense. It may not be the market leader when all is said and done, but I think Nintendo will make money on it.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
so I guess the future is just a repetition of past events then?
Baconsammy
Banned
Yep, some people will read doom-and-gloom into anything. I read it the way you did. He's basically saying that whatever chance they had to catch lightning in a bottle again is dead and gone.
LiveFromKyoto
Member
Or maybe this guy is just constantly wrong?
Ken Masters
Banned
sales are going to be very bad till that next Mario game launches. Luckily I only paid $285 for my Wii U deluxe, which softens the blow of buying it day1