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Many game developers were unaware of the PS4's RAM increase
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CyclopsRock
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God, they're such idiots.
Ah, I see.
One thing pertaining to strength of the presentation that must be mentioned are particle effects. They honestly look head and shoulder beyond anything I have seen. That mist around waterfall, dusty air being forced out on to the landing pad and the grenade explosions looks straight up from KZ2's CG trailer from E3 2005. No more UGLY aliased alpha effects. Also, the emissive nature of the flames (which still don't animate as smoothly (which I don't expect to even in final build) during slo-mo) is stupendously portrayed. It shows great improvement in lighting.
velociraptor
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Textures?
ReturnOfTheRAT
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I agree. Video capabilities were mostly left out of this announcement and the spec sheet doesn't divulge any more info in that area. It's been worked on as we speak in anticipation of E3.
Vire
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Yeah, but given that the dev kits were rumored to have 4GB of RAM, it wouldn't surprise me if that's what they've been working with for the bulk of development.
It'll be interesting to see how this game looks at E3.
robertsan21
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smart move by sony, not telling the entire truth about it, unfortunately they should have held on the info just a bit more so Xbox had already started manufacturing the console and could not do anything about it 
I am guessing MS can just add 8gb to their hardware now also.
I am guessing MS can just add 8gb to their hardware now also.
I'm not that knowledgeable about it really, I've never worked on a commercial game. But logically, it should primarily help with the following:
- open world games, I'm sure that Bethesda is happy
- reactivity and persistence of game worlds (ie. I shot that wall with a rocket 20 minutes ago, backtrack, fragments are still in the same place)
- texture and asset variety
Yeah, but that for example (alpha resolution) is almost entirely a function of memory bandwidth, not capacity.
Hcoregamer00
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Yup, you can bet that the sony also has other cards close to their chest so that they can keep Microsoft guessing all the way to launch day.
Microsoft and Sony will definitely try to one up each other.
Vire
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Ah neat. I always hated disappearing corpses.
Just found out that infamous second son footage was not only in engine but I'm game as well...:-O..mother of god....!!!! If sucker punch can do that with 4gb...imagine what they can do with 8..nuts. And ssm and nd and pd...wow..
https://twitter.com/SuckerPunchProd/status/304430278070370304
https://twitter.com/SuckerPunchProd/status/304430278070370304
Since GAF only understands Console Wars in DBZ power levels, this is a bit like when Goku fought Majin Vegeta and pretended to be at around the same level. And then this is to go one step further beyond:
"I'm sorry that took so much longer than the others, I've not had much occasion to practice this one. This is what I call 8GB GDDR5."
LMAO. Excellent analogy.
2) Even if true this is an increase in power not a decrease. This will help developers, not hinder them.
Moral Panic
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AFAIK the main thing is the chip densities. Right now the highest GDDR5 chip densities is 2Gb (256MB), PS4 is likely going to use 4Gb chips instead.
The issue that arises is price. Things that could happen:
1. Nvidia/ATI etc all move to 4Gb chips fast to keep up, production ramps up, enters mass market and the price comes down quick (Most likely IMO).
2. No general move to 4Gb chips means that whoever is making them for Sony can charge exorbitant prices/slow price reductions
3. (Highly unlikely) A new technology comes in that makes GDDR5 obsolete, everyone moves to that and Sony pays high prices for GDDR5.
Well sure, but as far as designing the game from the ground up around 8GB GDDR5, there's no way any of these launch titles were targeting that. So I think we're going to see some interesting shifts in game design going forward.
BloodMoney
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A MGR: Revengeance 2 with all dat RAM for persistent cut objects makes my down belows do the pants dance.
I want to see a fucking shit ton of destructable environments and more mid this coming gen. Thats the one thing that was put on the back burner this gen the most to attain pretty corridors while a few stand out titles took it on (Red Faction Guerilla, Minecraft too I guess!).
I want to see a fucking shit ton of destructable environments and more mid this coming gen. Thats the one thing that was put on the back burner this gen the most to attain pretty corridors while a few stand out titles took it on (Red Faction Guerilla, Minecraft too I guess!).
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1st party dev not knowing does not equate to last minute. They could have had this under wraps so as not to give MS the final numbers via leaks.
More RAM does not typically help frame rate, it can help streaming and hiccups though.
More RAM does not typically help frame rate, it can help streaming and hiccups though.
That is true. More than 4-5GB GDDR5 ram won't be direct boost to GFX
At the same time 3.5GB GDDR5 wasn't exactly safe either. 8GB is overkill for that hardware but will help a lot of devs out there just to dump what they have into ram and spend their time on other things than memory management. Don't you agree ?
Oh, I am cognizant of it, given as aforementioned, GG made the trailer with less than 4GB in mind. I am just stating the strength of engine which the high bandwidth imbues.
Pertaining to shadows, I do wonder if they are real time given baked shadows would not be that aliased. Any idea how far it can be improved upon without making it baked and whether the extra RAM may in any contribute to the solution?
I think they've wanted 4Gb densities for a while now, and just couldn't get them due to volume. So this should be good for everyone.
I totally agree. I was particularly wary of going 4 GB with all the rumoured OS features, especially background video recording.
Thanks for the info.
Could the recent AMD delay on their next line of GPUs be related to your first point at all?
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4 GB reserved for the OS.
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I think you guys are overselling this a bit. Double the RAM is great and that was a cool reveal, but the most tangible effect I think it would have is on stuff like load times, hitching when loading stuff in from the hard drive(great for me, two of things that annoy me the most in games). Maybe bigger textures sizes, which is swell. But the box still has to execute all the stuff using the same speed of CPU and RAM. Not really a game-changer.
Durante i have a question. With 8GB in mind can't they just dump into it some crazy textures ? What is stopping them from it ? Bandwidth ? GPU ?
Since GAF only understands Console Wars in DBZ power levels, this is a bit like when Goku fought Majin Vegeta and pretended to be at around the same level. And then this is to go one step further beyond:
"I'm sorry that took so much longer than the others, I've not had much occasion to practice this one. This is what I call 8GB GDDR5."
I think the exchange was more like Sony saying to MS:
What I was thinking. They didn't tell Game devs about the 8GB ram in case they leaked it.
AranhaHunter
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16GB DDR3 lol
WiiU RAM is pretty slow though, not really comparable.
MikeE21286
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I think Capcom knew. Deep Down something told me so...
Vire
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I wonder for how long the PS4 had 4 GB of GDDR5.
JCreasy
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AranhaHunter
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smart move by sony, not telling the entire truth about it, unfortunately they should have held on the info just a bit more so Xbox had already started manufacturing the console and could not do anything about it
I am guessing MS can just add 8gb to their hardware now also.
The latest rumor I saw said the Durango was to release in September or heads would roll. It would be extremely tough to release in Septemper AND add that much RAM to it, but you may be right, this heads up gives Durango enough room to add more RAM.
I personally think they will try and undercut the PS4's price by at least $100 while getting exclusive 3rd party games and/or DLC.
Don't expect it will look much better than that though. 8GB of GDDR5 ram is overkill it gives you two things over 4GB:
1. Less memory management which is simply amazing thing for developers out there (in therms of work)
2. 3,5GB wasn't safe considering next years so 4GB+ is perfectly safe now.
16GB, 32 GB or 128GB won't change anything. What Durango needs is GDDR5. You can't change that without changing architecture of SoC meaning they would need additional few months to redesign and put into production this thing.
It is either :
a) They will release it holiday 2013 with 8GB DDR3 ram
b) They will release it Q1/Q2 2014.
Either way they will be fucked if we compare just specs. How system will be perceived or system "win" is not correlated to specs so be it 8GB of DDR3 or 8 GB GDDR5 won't matter.
Sony need to show clear line that they console is better not MS.
yes a month ago, they can't revolution the game in one month and probably they haven't touched the demo build except for bug fixing.
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Thank you Mark Cerny, thank you.
From that same article..
"Its clear Sony has designed a system that, on paper, outperforms Microsofts next Xbox. One source familiar with both platforms tells us that in real terms Sonys console is slightly more powerful and very simple to work with.
Ultimately, the performance differences between the two consoles will have as much bearing on multiplatform releases as the differences between PS3 and 360 very little "
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