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Many game developers were unaware of the PS4's RAM increase
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Dead Prince
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does sony have an AA system in place for all games?
I don't think sony wants to lie to developers
Kung Fu Grip
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Gotta love human beings; "More RAM means better graphical fidelity, textures, bigger open world games, 1080p" "better IQ"
PS4 gets 8GB GDDR5; "More RAM wont really improve graphics" "DD3 is not that different from DDR5" "PS4 won't use all of it anyway"
Just some things i've read around the net.
PS4 gets 8GB GDDR5; "More RAM wont really improve graphics" "DD3 is not that different from DDR5" "PS4 won't use all of it anyway"
Just some things i've read around the net.
I'm hoping for playable
mckmas8808
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My god man. I can't even imagine.
Yeah. I don't think going from 4 to 8 instantly means "Killzone at 60fps!!!!". I mean maybe it does, I'm not the most tech savvy person, but it just seems like it'd require a little more than a simple RAM increase to do that.
4GB of RAM:
Come at me bro.
Not running on 4GB GDDR5, much less most likely.
Littlegator
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Why is it that everyone here seems to think that this RAM is going to push up graphics some significant amount?
Sleeplessnights
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It won't, but it would make AI on the same screen increase for example.
Are we sure they arent bluffing?. I still remember the 2 hdmi and 3 ethernet un the ps3. Maybe they are hoping to be able to add the extra 4gb before its released? I know people on gaf were saying that i was imposible to mount that many chips?
Either way the more RAM the better Time to see ms answer.
Either way the more RAM the better Time to see ms answer.
More like most footage were from early builds based on old devkit. Also, i doubt dev were working with 4GB of ram, most likely 2GB or even less (at leats concerning the vram). They dont have the final silicon and the rest is still in state of flux.
Perhaps the PS4 OS takes 4GB to do all that streaming and other background services.
I'm skeptical because RAM runs really hot and was a problem for the early Xbox 360 units as literally the plastic board collapses under pressure over time.
mugurumakensei
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No.... that would need an increase in processing power too. AI is a combination of heuristics ( branching and updateable graph weighting as it learns -> processor and ram ). Each entity therefore requires a corresponding increase i. processing power and memory.
I was wondering this too. Has Sony ever released spec sheets and then cut out something major? I know with the PS3, they cut the HDMI and ethernet ports like you said but, as far as I know, they werent major and devs didnt suddenly have to scale back their games because of it.
If you look at the PS4 specsheet, they are pretty clean, nothing too fancy.
Is it your opinion that the increased RAM will not have any gameplay improvements, aside from better loading times and fewer loading screens?
There seems to be some general lack of knowledge and a bunch of misconceptions on gaf and everywhere else about how more RAM affects performance. It's most def. not something that magically makes your game look better and run better, especially when talking about 4 vs 8 gb with the kind of bandwidth that GDDR5 has.
GribbleGrunger
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Everyone seems to either think the 1st party devs did know or didn't know but there is another alternative. 1st party devs where told that it wasn't finalised and it was likely to be 4GB. The reaction from the ND employee might just be the reaction to the verification that it was 8GB. After all, who would Sony ask to find out whether 8GB would be required for futureproofing? There own devs of course.
Miles Quaritch
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yurinka
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You can download games, patches and firmware updates with the console on stand by. Or to purchase games with your Vita at work, they would download and install with the console main system turned off. According to him there is a secondary system on charge of it. We also know that there is also dedicated hardware to code / decode video for the streaming.
So maybe there isn't work needed from the main CPU/GPU/RAM to do such things like remote play or to stream videos or other OS stuff.
It isn't the same to cut a 2nd HDMI and ethernet port than to cut the half of the system memory.
StealthGoblin
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Is the Kinect upgrade that promising? From what I've read finger tracking has been ruled out.
From the bits and bobs I've read it sounded like it could do all the stuff it could do really well before, only tracking more people at once accurately.
mugurumakensei
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No. It just wont be magical or anything. More than anything, it means the system wont get bottlenecked waiting for some texture to stream in since you have more than enough memory.
Dropping an extra HDMI and 2 ethernet ports is not close to cutting the RAM in half.
They announced it live on stage and put in in the spec sheet. Developers all over the world did a bit of sex wee.
This. Anyone who thinks the demos presented were substantially "held-back" are kidding themselves.
Vire
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Miles Quaritch
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So what benefit would an additional 4gb give to developers/Sony? Will it be used for the OS or utilized in other ways in gameplay?
Paging Tempy.
im just waiting for the meltdowns when they announce the price at E3, i for one will pay up to 500 for the console but many people will never go over 400, i think Sony made a super smart decision with the increase on ram, it future proofs their system and developers wont have more excuses for third party games running like shit on a Sony console
Thunder Monkey
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Impressive imitations.
But you're downplaying the resource differences available in realtime rendering versus not.
And some say that there isn't too much of a graphical leap this gen.
The ones that say this are delusional (Patcher, I'm looking at you).
Streaming of data/loading and texture resolution/variety would see improvements.
Jesus, how in the hell can people not see the jump here? Look how crisp everything is, the detail in the rubble and embers on the ground. Watch this shit in full screen 1080p and your jaw will drop.
Vire
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yeh, and also.. how can some people be saying it isn't in engine gameplay? it still does not look good as the killzone e3 2005 cgi prerendered video.
Additional chromosomes.
Well, it sure as hell looks better than anything on the PS3 and damn good in general for a work in progress launch game. Judging by the hardware, it's no surprise and we will surely be seeing even better.
They should've just slapped a new name over it, maybe people would've been happier to see a NEW IP!!
On a serious note, I liked it. If it has KZ2 online mechanics, day one.
Maninthemirror
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Maybe this is why they didnt show much. They wanted folks to get the appetizer yesterday and the full meal at e3. They want to give devs 4 months to adjust to 8 gb
Simply stunning. I didn't think I could be blown away again.
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