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Many game developers were unaware of the PS4's RAM increase
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Dance Inferno
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HoodWinked
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ya puts more credence on 8gb probably a reaction by sony from durrango leaks.
Seventy_X_Seven
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Thread needs to be updated before any more expectations are falsely risen. Article says "most developers" didn't know. I'm pretty sure Sony's first party studios knew, especially Guerrilla Games who are creating their flagship launch title and showcase for the PS4's potential.
tinfoilhatman
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I'm stoked for the PS4 and blown away by the official specs but honestly I wasn't' as blown away by the actual footage shown.....I get the feeling that developers have been coding with 4Gb of GDDR5 in mind and not 8 up until maybe the last couple months.
4GB of RAM:
Come at me bro.
Launch title to boot lol.
Durango has ddr3 not gddr3.. But yeah whatever the reason, 8gb gddr5 in ps4, insanity. If this is launch window games, just imagine what will happens few years down the line. Amazing.
Nah it's going to be 4k 60fps at E3.
I NEED SCISSORS
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How much is double the RAM really going to improve the visuals though?
That's what the leaks said anyway. Sony had 4gigs but was hoping for more. They probably took that out of their sleeve out of nowhere. None of their demos have been devs with those specs probably.
Now.. I somewhat fear the price is too high OR they played poker and they'll realize it's not doable and downgrade before the launch...
Now.. I somewhat fear the price is too high OR they played poker and they'll realize it's not doable and downgrade before the launch...
EmCeeGramr
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Since GAF only understands Console Wars in DBZ power levels, this is a bit like when Goku fought Majin Vegeta and pretended to be at around the same level. And then this is to go one step further beyond:
"I'm sorry that took so much longer than the others, I've not had much occasion to practice this one. This is what I call 8GB GDDR5."
So the PS4 can only maintain the RAM for a short time while it's dead?
they probably still deved it for 4gb to prevent bloat creep. They need to redesign their pipelines to handle all this new runtime memory.
BadAss2961
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lol
This was speculated earlier. Shadow Fall is going to look a lot better at release.
It should be no problem to increase the res of the textures at short notice certainly...
csquared587
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This may sound goofy, but how will I get parity with my PC?
I am super hyped about ps4, but my pc has a GPU with 2gb ddr5(670) and 8gb ddr3. Will newer GPUs just pack in 8gb ddr5, or will pc users be buying 8gb of ddr5 sticks to put in their motherboards?
Hyped either way.
I am super hyped about ps4, but my pc has a GPU with 2gb ddr5(670) and 8gb ddr3. Will newer GPUs just pack in 8gb ddr5, or will pc users be buying 8gb of ddr5 sticks to put in their motherboards?
Hyped either way.
If this alleviates things like pop ins then it will be a win for immersion. And didn't you say previously that this means better textures as well?
Personally, I am more worried about the shadow quality. Of course I know it's early days yet but here's me hoping for fix (at least mitigation) by the time game arrives on store shelves.
Ok, explain why the increase in RAM would be used for a higher framerate instead of improving the visuals. That would make me understand. Not being sarcastic by the way, I'm genuinely interested.
Goldenroad
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That's what I just assumed. This whole 8GB announcement was a very last minute thing I think.
manueldelalas
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RAM is the new bits.
cyberheater
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I reckon quite a few MS execs shat their pants when the 8Gb GDDR5 spec was announced. I imagine they are working out how to play catchup.
Moral Panic
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No way man! Double the RAM means double the FPS!1!!!1!
Serously, I highly doubt KZ4 was running out of memory. The 4GB GDDR5 was already enough for games, it feels like the move to 8GB is more to allow all the OS features. I'm fully expecting 1-1.5GB of RAM locked away (WiiU uses 1GB and not nearly as many features).
Those are two things that are certainly helped by more memory, sure. It just seemed like some are expecting significant upgrades in other areas due to more memory, like framerate, which doesn't make any sense.
Yeah, the shadowing was the most immediately visible weak point in the KZ presentation.
Red Chocobo
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Isn't this also what happened with the Wii-U? Devs only found out that it had more RAM late into production.
So It's safe to expect future games for both systems will look better.
So It's safe to expect future games for both systems will look better.
who's making this one?
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Yep, only good for tech demoes and launch titles not even using the full power right now, cant even be contained in a showable box. When it comes to life in over half a years time though, it'll be able to wield this power all day!
Dance Inferno
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Personally I care about texture quality and pop-in a lot more than I care about framerate, which is why this 8GB GDDR5 is pretty big news for me. I usually can't tell the difference between 30fps and 60fps anyway.
Vire
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Durante, could you expand on what the extra RAM means for games? In what avenues does it help them?
I know you're very knowledgable on the subject.
How difficult is it to just.....add RAM?
I mean, its great that they have more to work with but what does this mean in the way of getting the PS4 out this year, on time, without crazy shortages, and without any major RROD or YLOD-like issues.
They didnt show the system yesterday which means that its not ready. A recent quote said they "hope" to have it in final form for E3. Im just feeling like all this is going to lead to a rocky launch, something they cant afford if the next Xbox launches alongside them.
Im pretty clueless when it comes to this stuff so I hope someone can prove me wrong.
I mean, its great that they have more to work with but what does this mean in the way of getting the PS4 out this year, on time, without crazy shortages, and without any major RROD or YLOD-like issues.
They didnt show the system yesterday which means that its not ready. A recent quote said they "hope" to have it in final form for E3. Im just feeling like all this is going to lead to a rocky launch, something they cant afford if the next Xbox launches alongside them.
Im pretty clueless when it comes to this stuff so I hope someone can prove me wrong.
BruceLeeRoy
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I don't expect them to even attempt to match the power. However, I do expect to be wowed by Kinect.
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
That much is obvious, since much of the leaks on development kits put the hardware at 4 GB.
Odds are high that Sony decided to double the RAM recently when rumors of the Xbox Next were pushing for 8 GB of slower RAM. This announcement will also likely force Microsoft to bump up the RAM to 12-16 GB or Push for faster RAM or opt to release the hardware cheaper than the PS4.
Odds are high that Sony decided to double the RAM recently when rumors of the Xbox Next were pushing for 8 GB of slower RAM. This announcement will also likely force Microsoft to bump up the RAM to 12-16 GB or Push for faster RAM or opt to release the hardware cheaper than the PS4.
I am very curious about this as well.
And Halo 5 and four other new IPs (here's me hoping that at least ONE does NOT use Kinect gratuitously).
Vire
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This is why competition is great.
Callibretto
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gameplay looks fantastic, I love Killzone fps cover based style shooter, and now they add some mobility like climbing structure, stealth kill from above and throwing knife melee weapon
weapon looks like it have secondary fire mode now. love it
Dark Octave
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How can they not know?
They have the thing sitting right on their desk working with it every day.
They have the thing sitting right on their desk working with it every day.
BruceLeeRoy
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I highly doubt that. They are more internal and in bed with Sony, so unlike most developers, they would be privy to that.
That said, if they were mostly on 4GB of RAM (or just in the early stages of taking advantage of 8) that would be fucking insane.
[EDIT] OK, it's possible that GG was indeed working on less than 8GB (read: 4) of RAM after all; http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=48036739&postcount=1228
Only problem is that you just can't switch from DDR3 to GDDR5 without having to reengineer. A drastic change like that requires a change in the motherboard as well.
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