AMD has said this isn't exclusive . It will run through software for NVidia it sounds like or NVidia can work to make it hardware . This isn't as bad as PhysX is . PhysX is NVidia purposely gimping games on amd hardware and its been going on for years.
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AMD's "tressfx" unveiled; Lara can take care of her own hair [DX11 compute]
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AMD has said this isn't exclusive . It will run through software for NVidia it sounds like or NVidia can work to make it hardware . This isn't as bad as PhysX is . PhysX is NVidia purposely gimping games on amd hardware and its been going on for years.
MrCunningham
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Oh, well that's good to know. I guess it makes sense that it wouldn't be hardware bound, since AMD doesn't seem to have any hardware in the nest recent months that would take advantage of it. When is their HD 8000 series due again? Is this going to be a feature that they enable through a driver update?
its most likely just opencl targeting specific hardware in the amd cards.
The hd 8000 sounds like fall along with NVidia's new stuff.
Ah, didn't know they were talking about the OEM when I read that. A 50% increase over the 7970 now would be pretty crazy. Especially considering the $1k titan is only like 40% more than a 680. And 680 + 7970 is pretty damn close.
MrCunningham
Member
Ah... disappointing that both had to be pushed back so far.
chickdigger802
Banned
for a tomb raider game, i'd expect enhanced boob physics or something. Has a game ever even attempted to do realistic boob physics before?
MrCunningham
Member
Rumors?
Amey
Member
Luminous engine showed some spectacular hair rendering and physics technology.
It's about time that this kind of physics effects are implemented at engine level in all next-gen engines.
Hardware companies need not have to interfere in such stuff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih3Fjb8XB6g
It's about time that this kind of physics effects are implemented at engine level in all next-gen engines.
Hardware companies need not have to interfere in such stuff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih3Fjb8XB6g
Well things certainly changed over at AMD
http://www.itproportal.com/2010/03/08/amd-game-devs-only-use-physx-for-the-cash/
http://www.itproportal.com/2010/03/08/amd-game-devs-only-use-physx-for-the-cash/
CosmicGroinPull
Member
Oooh I'll double dip for the PS4 if they port Tomb Raider over with this tech and it looks great.
I'd love to take the credit, but that's not my creation:
http://www.pcper.com/news/Graphics-Cards/AMD-wants-wash-your-hair-graphics-What
Mr. Wonderful
Member
Where'd you read that? All we read on a previous page was a past statement that some old technology wasn't going to be proprietary.
And tons of particles and dest env.
childplease
Banned
Meh wish they would focus on other parts of physics engines that actually affect gameplay like terrain deformation and structural environmental destruction.
Destruction in games is often times unrealistic and even the best effort to date Red Faction Guerrilla leaves a lot to be desired.
Making hair prettier does nothing for gameplay.
Destruction in games is often times unrealistic and even the best effort to date Red Faction Guerrilla leaves a lot to be desired.
Making hair prettier does nothing for gameplay.
GoddyofAus
Banned
I hope you've got Windows 8 because MS will force it on you if you don't.
Angelus Errare
Banned
Brad Grenz
Member
And you actually bought that shit? "Oh, all AMD has to do is license and implement CUDA (which we would never let them do)". nVidia actively blocks people from mixing GPUs for PhysX support, locks DirectX standard code paths behind vendor ID checks in TWTWMTBP titles and frequently encourages developers to make games in ways they know will tank performance on AMD systems for zero visual benefit. The last guy who thought he'd write a PhysX wrapper got a Cease and Desist letter almost immediately.
SneakyStephan
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Death to bald spacemarines! Let me find my pitchfork.
If I see another baseball cap wielding/handkerchief tied over head/buzzcut/bald/playdoh haired protagonist or story character next gen I'm going to break something.
I love the agnis demo to death because of her hair and the facial hair.
MrCunningham
Member
I have a feeling that tressfx will be used for more than just hair physics, but they are using the hair demo as a spotlight because it will get more of an immediate wow factor from people. But I could be wrong, and perhaps it was only ever meant for hair and probably clothes.
shiftplusone
Member
how will we properly test new hair physics if PC doesnt get any wrestling games?
Angelus Errare
Banned
CUDA and OpenCL share so much it's not even really funny, hell they're much closer than DX/OpenGL were back in the day. Nvidia got tired of OpenCL taking it's sweet ass time and went in their own direction. Can't really put that on Nvidia, it's 2013 and OpenCL is still a mess. Not that you actually NEED CUDA for physx. The major issue is having to pay Nvidia for it's use, but AMD really needs to do something. Their "Wait and see" approach is just annoying as fuck. No one has implemented OpenCL because there is no incentive and AMD gives them none, documentation for CUDA is so far ahead of OpenCL it's not even funny anymore at this point, just sad.
Open standards only work when everyone is working on improving them and implementing them as they improve them. This tressFX shit will be another thing introduced by AMD that doesn't catch on for shit, and AMD will let it sit wither and die like they do EVERYTHING, because they expect people to just suddenly starting using their shit just because. AMD needs new management.
Brad Grenz
Member
Which is what makes nVidia's insistence on pushing their own proprietary, vendor specific alternative so counter-productive.
MrCunningham
Member
But if tressfx becomes a feature in the PS4 and/or Durango then it could easily become a new standard for AMD that doesn't get dropped or abandoned right off the bat. Hmm they are announcing this tomorrow (Feb 26), so we will have to wait and see what it is all about.
HolyBaikal
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You can say that you want about the repetitivity of levels.
The character design of Alice in the new Alice game was amazing.
Felix Lighter
Member
I'm not sure what you are arguing. AMD should be devoting resources to open standards and Nvidia is justified in devoting their resources to proprietary APIs? Both of the major GPU manufacturers need to focus on the open standards for any of this stuff to catch on widely.
http://forums.eidosgames.com/showpost.php?p=1865802&postcount=92
Ok, that's confirmed now. The performance hitter is there.
Ok, that's confirmed now. The performance hitter is there.
That guy has no idea what he is talking about.
Physx is nothing like OpenCL!
One is a physics engine, the other is an API!
And even if he meant CUDA instead of Physx, it is also not true.
RadicalVelocity
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Felix Lighter
Member
They're bald because it's difficult to render convincing hair.
I hope so. We desperately need better hair in games. I don't think I can stand UE3 style molded cement any more.
For real. I'm tired of shitty looking hair in games.
grosvenor_92
Member
This was the first thought that came to my mind
KojiKnight
Member
AMD didn't take a wait and see approach with OpenCL... they kind of got blind-sided by Intel. Havoc engine was up and running on AMD hardware via OpenCL and would have been the perfect alternative... but then Intel acquired Havoc and, well... yeah.
Shadow Hog
Member
It's a world of bald space marines because technology for hair has been shit.
Once it's not shit, you might actually get a space marine with a buzzcut!
I mean, we went over this not seven posts ago...
Brad Grenz
Member
Yeah, that sucked for them. The two established Physics Middle-ware providers ended up being owned by entities with a commercial interest in preventing them from being accelerated on AMD hardware.