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The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker
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Tingle is the king! and grinding rupies for him was nothing I wouldn't endure for such a loving pulp of pimpness. nor was the sailing anything bad, it was very calming(the only thing that annoyed me was that I couldn't use the telescope-thingy WHILE sailing) and the warps where well placed.
no, the real problem was the fighting. having grown up on Capcom's fighting engines I am probably ruined for life. One thing I hated was how shitty the move-detection was. jabs, spins, whatever, the game doesn't care. and the lock-on have seen better days. but the most annoying thing ever is the fact that only link can hit walls.
oh, here is the tightest corridor ever and it's filled to the brim with spear-weilding pig-faces. but oh wait, I think I'll do some stun animations here because this pig-fuck is standing next to a wall... yes, and let's have this piggy do a wide sweep as I am stunned, making his spear pass through both fucking walls in the same attack... yes, I'm having tons of fun now...
no, the real problem was the fighting. having grown up on Capcom's fighting engines I am probably ruined for life. One thing I hated was how shitty the move-detection was. jabs, spins, whatever, the game doesn't care. and the lock-on have seen better days. but the most annoying thing ever is the fact that only link can hit walls.
oh, here is the tightest corridor ever and it's filled to the brim with spear-weilding pig-faces. but oh wait, I think I'll do some stun animations here because this pig-fuck is standing next to a wall... yes, and let's have this piggy do a wide sweep as I am stunned, making his spear pass through both fucking walls in the same attack... yes, I'm having tons of fun now...
Really?
I found the fighting in Wind Waker extremely enjoyable and the controls for it were spot on. Enemies were too easy yes, and I wish they lasted longer because I loved the 'Flashing A Attack', and the sparks/shiny crap were lovely too. I really enjoyed the WW and the temples were nicer than OoT.
I found the fighting in Wind Waker extremely enjoyable and the controls for it were spot on. Enemies were too easy yes, and I wish they lasted longer because I loved the 'Flashing A Attack', and the sparks/shiny crap were lovely too. I really enjoyed the WW and the temples were nicer than OoT.
Celtic Guardian
Member
sonarrat said:
then what do yo call twilight pricess
a wiiaste
Great post GDJ. I felt compelled to check this after randomly starting my clear game today. Very well-written and genuinely heart-felt! The fact I share your sentiments pretty much word for word is just an added bonus =)
I just hope TP can live up to the expectations and deliver that same magic.
I just hope TP can live up to the expectations and deliver that same magic.
Post-TP bump!
After playing through (most of) TP... and then re-reading this topic, I have to say... man, I dunno... I really, really like Wind Waker.
Never in a thousand years did I think that TP would not top it in my eyes but... here we are. I know if you were to go down the list and add up secrets, minigames, innovations... TP would probably sweep WW across the board but man... Wind Waker just seems to have intangible qualities I don't think I'll ever be able to effectively verbalize.
One thing is for certain - there is absolutely no denying that Wind Waker's soundtrack was absolutely amazing:
Title Screen:
http://downloads.ffshrine.org/sound..._of_Wind~_Original_Sound_Tracks/101_title.mp3
DragonRoost Island:
http://downloads.ffshrine.org/sound...inal_Sound_Tracks/138_dragon_roost_island.mp3
Sailing:
http://downloads.ffshrine.org/sound..._of_Wind~_Original_Sound_Tracks/131_ocean.mp3
Wind Waker's sailing theme is a goddamn landmark and greater than all other Zelda overworld themes.
After playing through (most of) TP... and then re-reading this topic, I have to say... man, I dunno... I really, really like Wind Waker.
Never in a thousand years did I think that TP would not top it in my eyes but... here we are. I know if you were to go down the list and add up secrets, minigames, innovations... TP would probably sweep WW across the board but man... Wind Waker just seems to have intangible qualities I don't think I'll ever be able to effectively verbalize.
One thing is for certain - there is absolutely no denying that Wind Waker's soundtrack was absolutely amazing:
Title Screen:
http://downloads.ffshrine.org/sound..._of_Wind~_Original_Sound_Tracks/101_title.mp3
DragonRoost Island:
http://downloads.ffshrine.org/sound...inal_Sound_Tracks/138_dragon_roost_island.mp3
Sailing:
http://downloads.ffshrine.org/sound..._of_Wind~_Original_Sound_Tracks/131_ocean.mp3
Wind Waker's sailing theme is a goddamn landmark and greater than all other Zelda overworld themes.
gamergirly
Member
TP > TWW
I definitely think TP is better, but TWW has its own superior qualities that are quantifiable and sound. I think camera control, art style, story and fluidity/animation are definitely areas that TP can learn and hopefully, for the next iteration, advance.
OoT (9.0), TWW (9.3), TP (9.5)
OoT (9.0), TWW (9.3), TP (9.5)
HAL_Laboratory
Member
Wind Waker will always have a special place in my heart.
:lol
But damn TP is a great game. We'll see how it ages with time.
It's also the only Zelda game I've ever finished on a 5-day rental
But damn TP is a great game. We'll see how it ages with time.
Wind Waker is an amazing but flawed game, IMHO, whereas Twilight Princess is masterful on almost every level.
Nevertheless, the art style and atmosphere are both fantastic and I hope Nintendo goes back to that style for at least one more console Zelda.
Also, I always thought the WW music was great and never understood the hate it received. The ending theme is sublime.
Nevertheless, the art style and atmosphere are both fantastic and I hope Nintendo goes back to that style for at least one more console Zelda.
Also, I always thought the WW music was great and never understood the hate it received. The ending theme is sublime.
HAL_Laboratory
Member
fabs115 said:
I believe it's Q1 07 for VC, but don't quote me on that.
http://www.estarland.com/index.asp?page=GameCube&cat=RPG&product=408&q=
They're a reputable store. Don't know if you consider that an unreasonable price.
They're a reputable store. Don't know if you consider that an unreasonable price.
Suzy_Lovelace
Member
WW is still visually, my favourite post-16bit game, I think the art style is inspired.
I remember seeing the backlash and negative comments about it, and I couldn't comprehend at all where they were coming from, this was THE 3D game that justified 3D to 2D gamers as far as I was concerned.... Now I never played the N64 Zelda's so, I think a lot of the backlash was the expectation that there would be a continuation of that style on a high-spec. machine, which is what TP is pretty much.
I remember seeing the backlash and negative comments about it, and I couldn't comprehend at all where they were coming from, this was THE 3D game that justified 3D to 2D gamers as far as I was concerned.... Now I never played the N64 Zelda's so, I think a lot of the backlash was the expectation that there would be a continuation of that style on a high-spec. machine, which is what TP is pretty much.
Oh, and about the graphics, TP was only held back because it was on GC level hardward. You can't make a game in the scope of TP with that type of graphics without making some sacrifices. TP on 360/PS3 level hardware wouldn't have any problems.
TP just annihilates WW on every level. Characters, story, dungeons, controls, items, bosses (both are weak, but TPs are fun), even art design (could have been different if WW Link didn't look like absolute shit..). Granted, TP makes a joke of every Zelda save perhaps LTTP and MM (which still aren't as good), but still.
Now after TP, WW is just the bastard child of the series that wasn't supposed to exist.
Legend of Zelda <=> Ocarina of Time
Link to the Past <=> Twilight Princess
Keep the WW art style alive on future handhelds, though. The environments themselves were very pretty. Design might even be better than TP's if it were without a shitastic Link model.
Wind Waker 2 on the Game Boy Cubed please. Get the formula right this time.
Now after TP, WW is just the bastard child of the series that wasn't supposed to exist.
Legend of Zelda <=> Ocarina of Time
Link to the Past <=> Twilight Princess
Keep the WW art style alive on future handhelds, though. The environments themselves were very pretty. Design might even be better than TP's if it were without a shitastic Link model.
Wind Waker 2 on the Game Boy Cubed please. Get the formula right this time.
Leatherface
Member
I haven't seen the ending to TP yet but WW has the best ending of all video games I've ever played. Not to mention I absolutely loved this game as well. Was a bit skimpy on the dungeons though. =_(
..... dammit GAF, stop making me want to put down TP and start WW ....... i'm already uninspired enough at how traditional TP is
oh man GDJustin - thanks for those - WW's music had such culture in it ----- 35 hours in, and no music has had me whistling in TP yet .... :[
accept for dungeon 5, that was creative
oh man GDJustin - thanks for those - WW's music had such culture in it ----- 35 hours in, and no music has had me whistling in TP yet .... :[
Nah I don't like this Zelda all that much. Zelda games always put emphasis on free exploration, and that's kinda killed when you have to play a song every goddamn time you want to change directions when sailing. It's like having to play Epona's song every time when you wanted to change directions on horseback. The artstyle was great and all, but the game itself not so much.
Grimm Fandango
Member
Increase the difficulty, add more dungeons, and get rid of that dreadful Triforce hunt and you got a damn near perfect game.
pol's voice
Banned
This game, while not my favorite Zelda game, is a masterpiece.
I loved the art style. It just gave that game a sense of wonder that you don't find in most games. In tone and feel, I think it's the most faithful to the original game. The sense of exploration and "let's go see what's out there" was the greatest since the original.
I also loved the characters. Ganondorf wasn't a stereotypical villian in this game. He was more refined, and even had some good reasons for his villany. A definite improvement over past games. Zelda was the best version of her character as well.
WW had it's flaws. Far too short, and easy (I died maybe once on my first playthrough). However it is such an incredible EXPERIENCE, that whatever flaws it has should be overlooked. If you're a gamer, if you believe in the art of videogames, you owe it to yourself to play this game.
I loved the art style. It just gave that game a sense of wonder that you don't find in most games. In tone and feel, I think it's the most faithful to the original game. The sense of exploration and "let's go see what's out there" was the greatest since the original.
I also loved the characters. Ganondorf wasn't a stereotypical villian in this game. He was more refined, and even had some good reasons for his villany. A definite improvement over past games. Zelda was the best version of her character as well.
WW had it's flaws. Far too short, and easy (I died maybe once on my first playthrough). However it is such an incredible EXPERIENCE, that whatever flaws it has should be overlooked. If you're a gamer, if you believe in the art of videogames, you owe it to yourself to play this game.
underfooter
Banned
I'm sure this has been said, but TWW was really a huge missed opportunity.
I mean, it was an empty, BORING ocean. If they had more islands with more stuff to do and explore it could have been one those unforgettable games. Instead it was too easy, and sailing was boring, and it had that god awful fetch quest.
I put TWW down with Four Swords. I was even worried about the Zelda series for a while. Twilight Princess saved it. It is such an awesome, awesome game.
I mean, it was an empty, BORING ocean. If they had more islands with more stuff to do and explore it could have been one those unforgettable games. Instead it was too easy, and sailing was boring, and it had that god awful fetch quest.
I put TWW down with Four Swords. I was even worried about the Zelda series for a while. Twilight Princess saved it. It is such an awesome, awesome game.
TheGreatDave
Banned
Wind Waker needed time. If it had been given as much as Twilight Princess, it would have been just as good.
Grimm Fandango
Member
You guys are pumping me up for TP. Only about 2 more weeks until I can play it. Hot damn.
underfooter
Banned
Taichu said:
All I have to say my friend is dear god, TP keeps getting better and better and better and better and better and better *breathes* and better! Other than the deku leaf, I don't remember any cool weapons or upgrades in TWW. TP has so many awesome, ingenious weapons, and I'm only on the fifth dungeon!
I don't really get how everyone complains that WW was too easy when I don't really notice the difficulty in any 3d Zelda. I mean in TP once you get more than 3 hearts you don't die either unless you play like an idiot.
All 3d Zelda games are like this:
-Find enemy weakness
-Hit it
-Slash the open spot
-Repeat
The hard part is the BRAINS, aka. figuring out where the weak point is. The actual execution of battles has never been particularly difficult in OoT/MM/WW/TP. What's hard are the puzzles (which I thought were fine in WW), not the action. Plus when you do die in a Zelda 3d game you just start outside the room you were just in, how is that hard?
I dunno, it bugs me when everyone bitches about WW or Okami's low difficulty. Sure TP is a little tougher because you take more damage, but IMO the enemies aren't more aggresive or anything.
All 3d Zelda games are like this:
-Find enemy weakness
-Hit it
-Slash the open spot
-Repeat
The hard part is the BRAINS, aka. figuring out where the weak point is. The actual execution of battles has never been particularly difficult in OoT/MM/WW/TP. What's hard are the puzzles (which I thought were fine in WW), not the action. Plus when you do die in a Zelda 3d game you just start outside the room you were just in, how is that hard?
I dunno, it bugs me when everyone bitches about WW or Okami's low difficulty. Sure TP is a little tougher because you take more damage, but IMO the enemies aren't more aggresive or anything.
underfooter
Banned
Bebpo said:
Well in general there are just MORE enemies. The fighting in TWW felt really tight and fun, and TP adds on that with wii controls and lets you fight A LOT. Ya, I havn't died much in TP either, but the puzzles do have an added layer of complexity, as do the fights.
ToyMachine228
Member
I loved Wind Waker. More so than Ocarina of Time actually. The freedom of the sea, the classic Zelda charm, the beautiful graphics...Whether you like the style or not is up to you, but you can't deny that the game definitely had some jaw droppingly beautiful moments.
underfooter
Banned
ToyMachine228 said:
Ya, I'm not going to lie, when I was at the second dungeon I had a really warm and fuzzy feeling in my heart and I felt that it was going to be my favorite game ever. It was a warm and fuzzy feeling almost missed from TP, just because of TWW's visuals.
Then I realized after you visit the second dungeon, you've seen all of the major islands in the game and the rest are just dungeon doors, or stupid little islands with holes. Not even more towns. Nadda. Nothing.
wow.. wii agree on something.Amir0x said:
yes, OoT is my least favorite of the three. Both WW and TP had a level of charm that I just don't think EAD could accomplish on the N64 (even though it was definitely very charming when first released). WW and TP are the pinnacle of the 3D series though IMHO, with TP just barely winning out.
I would LOVE to see a director's cut WW.. seriously though. For Wii. Make it happen EAD.. I would pay $50 all over again despite being able to play the original on the system.
While not as good as Ocarina of time , for me at least. I have to say that Wind Waker, is one of my favorite, but again im a Zelda fanboy, so they are all up there.
But Wind Waker style, the art, the music, the animation, it felt really good, it is beautifull, a masterpiece. It also has aged very well, and will continue so.
I havent played Twlight princess yet, since its not out here yet. But from what i have read, i have NO DOUBT that i will be stunned when i get on title screen, and start playing. Just like every Zelda.
But Wind Waker style, the art, the music, the animation, it felt really good, it is beautifull, a masterpiece. It also has aged very well, and will continue so.
I havent played Twlight princess yet, since its not out here yet. But from what i have read, i have NO DOUBT that i will be stunned when i get on title screen, and start playing. Just like every Zelda.