ClovingWestbrook
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Except most folks who were watching this play out knew that they were full of shit.
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SimCity modded so it can be played offline indefinitely + editing of highways
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Except most folks who were watching this play out knew that they were full of shit.
This is my whole point.
Yeah dude was wrong. So what ? Many people are wrong. Maxis lied in interviews that they use always online as proper feature not DRM. He believed it as many people on GAF. It turned out that this always online feature is only saves on EA servers and communication between towns which could be easily done without EA servers which means it was implemented just for DRM same as Diablo 3 always online.
Now we need to rehash his tweet on next 10 pages with pitchforks because he was wrong. GAF shape up you are better than that.
Reading Gies' Twitter gives me the opportunity to post this gif for the second time today:
First it was "you don't know what you're talking about if you think SimCity can be played offline", then when presented with evidence that said offline play is possible "BUT YOU CAN'T PLAY MULTIPLAYER"... when asked why people would expect to play multiplayer in an offline game "BUT REGIONS". Can the man ever admit when he's wrong?
First it was "you don't know what you're talking about if you think SimCity can be played offline", then when presented with evidence that said offline play is possible "BUT YOU CAN'T PLAY MULTIPLAYER"... when asked why people would expect to play multiplayer in an offline game "BUT REGIONS". Can the man ever admit when he's wrong?
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
What would you like to discuss?
It's meant to be a magazine for informing retailers on how games will perform, but instead it goes out of its way to misrepresent games and hype them up to try and flog as many units as possible on behalf of publishers.
I thought you could play Anno 2070 offline?
OrangeYouGlad
Banned
I'm going to say after the 18th.
Joe Shlabotnik
Banned
The idea that a home computer couldn't run a video game city simulation on its own is, if not patently absurd on its face, certainly asking for a healthy dose of skepticism. Even when a PR flack says "no but it's totally true".
Hope this becomes a meme.
I did, just the other day.
Oppo
Member
Forget Gies.
Lets talk about why thus game couldn't (supposedly) have a P2P setup, augmenting an offline mode.
If I take Maxis at their word (bear with me) re: the design philosophy, a P2P organic setup sea to suit the purpose more nicely, no? Invite people to your city via FB and such?
Like, I still don't understand why they were so hellbent on this central server thing. They can still sell you shit and monitor connections if they control the in game messaging and the launcher. That's what's odd to me.
Lets talk about why thus game couldn't (supposedly) have a P2P setup, augmenting an offline mode.
If I take Maxis at their word (bear with me) re: the design philosophy, a P2P organic setup sea to suit the purpose more nicely, no? Invite people to your city via FB and such?
Like, I still don't understand why they were so hellbent on this central server thing. They can still sell you shit and monitor connections if they control the in game messaging and the launcher. That's what's odd to me.
Has his already been posted?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ROy6VE5ZsZw
PvP Confirmed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ROy6VE5ZsZw
PvP Confirmed.
Something other than tweet of dude who was wrong. We have other thread for things like that (dorito thread).
On actual subject. Someone from Maxis tweeted that they will probably patch debug mode fast. I wonder if this "debug" mode will get some statement from maxis about city size limit and what is their plan to do with it (since we know it is artificial bullshit)
Rebel Leader
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Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
The problem is that Gies was parroting whatever PR fed him.
That coming from someone who calls himself a journalist is shameful. The truth is that he and Polygon are just a PR firm pretending to be a magazine.
He was given an exclusive internet review which means the site gets to make more money because they generate more traffic than regular reviews. That privilege has strings attached.
That coming from someone who calls himself a journalist is shameful. The truth is that he and Polygon are just a PR firm pretending to be a magazine.
He was given an exclusive internet review which means the site gets to make more money because they generate more traffic than regular reviews. That privilege has strings attached.
Yeah http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=50137935&postcount=761
I think is the get Gies thread.
I don't think he was able to save these changes to the server, at least not in a way that others could see.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Yup.
It went from "get your act together, EA" to ".... oh, that's just fucked up" in ten seconds flat.
Here's what you don't seem to understand; not only is he wrong, he insists on CONTINUING to be wrong, backtracking and straight up denying things other people are saying. Another thing is that, lets be perfectly honest, when you are a journalist, you are held to a higher standard than any random forum-goer, and for good goddamn reason. It is their job to know what they are talking about, the same cannot be expected for consumers. When they start to spew diarrhea from their mouth, of course this will be the natural reaction from the public. These people are fully aware when they sign onto the position that this is what is expected of them, yet still continue to whine and moan when they get called out on their bullshit.
partyphone
Banned
It's DRM. Plain and simple. A lot of publishers think that piracy is a legitimate threat to being successful on the PC so they put in draconian DRM. Partly because of their own irrational fears and partly to appease shareholders who would see spending money on PC development as risky otherwise.
Rebel Leader
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Ten seconds is giving simcity too much credit
Majority of Gaffers don't go around masquerading as game journalists either.
I think the big problem is that, despite being proven wrong, he's refusing to admit it and he keeps on shilling for EA/Maxis. If he would man up and admit his mistake, pretty sure a lot of people, if not everyone, would back off.
Broder Salsa
Banned
Reading Gies' Twitter gives me the opportunity to post this gif for the second time today:
First it was "you don't know what you're talking about if you think SimCity can be played offline", then when presented with evidence that said offline play is possible "BUT YOU CAN'T PLAY MULTIPLAYER"... when asked why people would expect to play multiplayer in an offline game "BUT REGIONS". Can the man ever admit when he's wrong?
He might be wrong but at least he's cool.
That damn keeper was hilarious here in Denmark, so bad.
Since i fallow industry for many years it was clear as day for me that this was bullshit. I am yet to see game in games history that even use 10% of power for AI. Someone already measured that 1k vs 15k isn't that much a difference for CPU (and AI logic still works on 1 core !).
John Walker :bow
One of the reasons I love RPS over other gaming websites. If he is a disliked man in the industry for not being a regurgitating PR machine, so be it. There are plenty willing to take up that mantle.
Congratulations Gies on your future job as community manager for one of the EA studios.
One of the reasons I love RPS over other gaming websites. If he is a disliked man in the industry for not being a regurgitating PR machine, so be it. There are plenty willing to take up that mantle.
Congratulations Gies on your future job as community manager for one of the EA studios.
partyphone
Banned
Gies is hilarious because he's so easy to goad.
making a passive aggressive tweet about how you're not invested in something only means that you're way too invested into said thing. when people are actually not invested in something they just don't say anything about it. but it's eating away at him. which is funny.
making a passive aggressive tweet about how you're not invested in something only means that you're way too invested into said thing. when people are actually not invested in something they just don't say anything about it. but it's eating away at him. which is funny.
Rebel Leader
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All this does is basically prove to a pint that we CAN play this game offline.
True. Sort of hard to say "I'm sorry guys, I was wrong." (If he really felt that way, that is.) when so many people ganged up and dissed him.
I guess some people might not consider this when they are part of the crowd, but keep in mind that you're all focusing a lot of rage towards 1 single person. Yes, it's "just the internet", but he is a real person, and so are all the people attacking him.
It's probably quite overwhelming to be called out like this by so many.
Gies is hilarious because he's so easy to goad.
making a passive aggressive tweet about how you're not invested in something only means that you're way too invested into said thing. when people are actually not invested in something they just don't say anything about it. but it's eating away at him. which is funny.
It's really way way too easy to get under that guys skin.
Didn't he keep repeating the PR talk while we basically looked at proof that the game works offline and that Maxis lied?
That's certainly something weird.
Their positions on those issues are not even close to the nonsense spouted by Gies.
Many times? I cant really find now any other articles than recent statement from Lucy Bradshaw about that. Can You post something?
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He's not without a fault. He was on Maxis conference a year ago when they talked about online integration, but he havent mentioned yet, till few days ago and not based on this presentation. I think, proper journalism, not only would have done research, but would actually use material from technical a conference he was as first source.
Original 1up crew are to Hitchcock's Psycho as Arthur Gies is to the Anne Heche remake.
rohlfinator
Member
That's probably the funniest part in all this. Which features did people think were too complex to run on a PC? Sending small data packets between two cities? Saving the game?
Those two are liked, whilst no one likes Gies, never going to happen.
Jibbajabbawockky
Member
The top youtube comment is gold: " YOU HAVE BEEN INVADED."
So true.
There's another side to this: let's say those "complex server-side calculations" existed, EA/Maxis would have to be completely insane to attempt to calculate stuff that is too complex for local PCs on their servers for every player. Imagine the necessary server capacities! All it really took to see through that PR bullshit was some common sense.
What are you talking about? He was at a press conference. So what? He never defended any of EA's/Maxis' claims.
I didn't meant sales wise flop, I meant all other things flop.
rohlfinator
Member
Yeah, I think I saw someone float the idea that EA handles all the AI/pathfinding server-side, which would be nuts.
NinjaTehFish
Banned
Because if you know a damn thing about gaming, If you have been invested in this hobby for over two decades, Reading your fair share of developer interviews, Seeing projects materialize from concept to final product, reading up and discussing technical tear downs of said projects you end up with a healthy understanding of how games operate and are made.
You also start to recognize the difference between a passionate creator and a PR drone.
So when I and people like me basically say that anything this game is doing server side is arbitrary or unnecessary and was implemented by EA/MAXIS for reasons other than strictly gameplay we had a pretty good knowledge base from which to assert that.
Not an agenda, not blind hate for EA, but experience and understanding is what fueled our assertions.
With that being the case its pretty easy to see why having a so called professional validate stupid ignorant opinions and anti gamer anti consumer practices is extremely frustrating.
Brewster's Wallet
Member
Change that to GFW crew and I'll agree. 1UP crew were of their time, but wouldn't work now.
Anyway, i don't want to derail. Seems another dagger into EA PR, misinforming again.
John, original RPS article author, is digging it too:
I said in the journalism thread this morning that picking a fight with John Walker was a bad idea. But I'm glad when other members of the games media get to see the contempt Gies has for his fellow professionals when they dare to disagree with him. Your story goes against my stated position? Well then your source must be phony.
A lot of that crap has gone on on Rebel FM over the years but I don't think any of the alleged God Hand conspirators were listening at the time he trashed them.
legacyzero
Banned
I wonder if EA are going to be nuking accounts that use this :lol
I'm sure they're working overtime fix this "bug"
jakonovski
Member
EA has been curiously silent. Maybe they'll just bail out and leave Simcity to die?
I keed. They wouldn't do that, would they?
I keed. They wouldn't do that, would they?