Just joking around about that weird FOX engine reveal video he was in
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Just joking around about that weird FOX engine reveal video he was in
For the record, I am Team [partial] CG
toddhunter
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That gif is CG
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Not a definitive proof, but it is weird. And in a way that would hide the fact is CG.
dragonfart28
Banned
Regardless if it's CG or not, this is the dumbest advertising campaign yet.
Don't get me wrong - people are talking, but few are legitimately interested in the game.
Don't get me wrong - people are talking, but few are legitimately interested in the game.
Can you believe how many people still think this is real?
D
Deleted member 13876
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I absolutely think you're right.
GDC
DCG
D is roughly phonetically the same as "the" which spells out the cg, which in turn means "computer generated" in this context.
Just joking around about that weird FOX engine reveal video he was in
For the record, I am Team [partial] CG
Yeah I'm thinking of Team Partial/Hybrid.
Edge stuff and GDC stuff made me budge a bit, also when I think the interview was entirely useless just to point out it's the fox engine 1.5 weeks early. I feel there must have been some other purpose to it. If anything though, I would assume a few sections of it may have been CGI while rest was real to show people can't tell the difference or when it switches.
But no one is saying this is rendered on a PS4? If it's an engine showcase they could just be rendering it on a very powerful computer to show what the engine is capable of and not the games running on a PS4.
Don't worry dude that bar graph is also CG. It's obviously lying to perpetuate the myth. That many people wouldn't be that silly to vote CG and not Real. Would they?
suttonmitchell
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TemplaerDude
Member
Because for one person like you who doesn't care for this shit there are 20 people who gobble it up. And why not man, fuckin' have a little fun with your job, Kojima of all people has deserved it.
The GDC panel is called "Photorealism through the eyes of a 'Fox'"
so they are showing something they are never going to use on their games
"hey look at what we COULD do! but nahhh, we can only really do this: *cue MGS5 trailer*"
genius
suttonmitchell
Banned
better eat that red pill quick guys cause its OVER
Lysander91
Banned
I have to disagree. I'm sure that everyone is eagerly awaiting the GDC reveal.
So far, there is a bunch of crazy shit going on that only makes sense if at least part of this video was CG. Incessant side-by-side comparisons of FOX engine stills with the real world, an elaborate alternate-reality campaign to hype a FOX Engine speech about said photoreality, Geoff Keighley coming into this thread to stoke the hype, the fact that this is all being hyped with an admitted fake individual, whose face is inexplicably covered by bandages.
If that face is 100% real, NONE of this will make any sense.
And yet Team Real's only reasoning thus far has just been, "come on guys..."
#TEAM [partial] CG !!!!
If that face is 100% real, NONE of this will make any sense.
And yet Team Real's only reasoning thus far has just been, "come on guys..."
#TEAM [partial] CG !!!!
honestly the guy barely has to do anything
the people are so desperate to believe everything that everyone just projects on anything. It's like every time Valve releases a video and everyone is SURE they found proof of HL3
all it takes for Kojima at this point is a little spark. It's not good advice for other devs, it wouldnt work.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
At least we can agree on that.
The youtube video is mirrowed. The actual video is normal.
Better join TeamCG now son!
suttonmitchell
Banned
True that!
I still don't see why there is a lack of exclamation mark above his head. It was the perfect moment.
Byakuya769
Member
I don't know. I'm already wary of Kojima putting more effort into everything but gameplay.
Muahahahahah.
Lysander91
Banned
There's no "I'm not sure," "I lean toward real, but CGI wouldn't surprise me." "I lean toward CGI, but real wouldn't surprise me." options. Not voting until you correct your poll to be less black and white and more (50) shades of grey.
That said let's talk about that CGI render face in the Fox engine because that's PHENOMENAL. Like holy shit. I thought the facial animations in Uncharted 1-3 looked good for PS3 tech. PS4 and beyond is going to be some seriously mental shit if that face is what they're going to be animating.
It's bad cosplay. Join us.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
The YouTube vid is mirrored
Wait for the GDC talk?;-)
I think they mean teasing people and creating mystery around a project. You don't need to have a big name like Kojima to get people talking. Dead Island did it and it was a totally new IP from a mostly unknown studio, they just had an intriguing trailer.
hey gaf Tilda Swinton looks really weird, so: she is now CG
That scared the shit out of me, jesus.
Well yes, they have to limit themselves to what the hardware itself actually can render. That doesn't change the fact that the engine is capable of something better looking.
Just take CryEngine 3 as an example (this is just to make it clear what I mean). That engine can render some amazing looking trees or whatever, but you won't be able to reproduce that on a 360 because the horsepower just isn't there. That doesn't mean the engine suddenly is incapable of rendering those amazing trees.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Coincidence?
sure, I just mean that if suddenly a guy showed up with bandages on his head promoting a new game, nobody would give crap nor would anyone think it's CG
Kojima makes people stupid
haha same here. i totally didn't expect that to be a gif.
but they render everything they can on PC, wich is where the game clearly shines and it's meant to be played if capable
this is where the game is gonna be at. You dont show something impressive to then say that you can't do that with the consoles and show a way less exciting thing
who'd do that? how is that a way of promoting a product? they are showing an engine for the next Metal Gear game, they are not trying to outsource it to PC developers
it would be super counter productive for MGS5 dude
toddhunter
Member
Seriously? People do that all the time. Kinect worked out well didn't it? Final Fantasy 13? Yeah that matched the reveals. About a billion other bullshots? (of which this is another)
This is just a technology or technique demo to get people interested. Of course the real results will be nothing like this but that is to be expected. When you are about to show "amazing" photo realistic tech, you don't make it look like shit either. You fake it and worry about the details later. They'll probably have a cut down ios version too, but you don't lead with it.
What makes it convincing at all is the animation, which they can surely use for retail builds if they have excellent mocap-type software.
kennistond
Banned
What if they packaged Ground Zeroes and Phantom Pain together with Phantom Pain being a fictional game inside the Ground Zeroes world?
Relaxed Muscle
Member
The 3 things more "hyped" about Fox Engine:
Lightning:
See through clothes:
Face Rendering:
Obviously you would like to show all 3 right, if you were Kojima?
BAM!:
"Photorealism through the eyes of a Fox" - GDC Panel name.
I just rocked your world, now come to TeamCG!
LightofRohan
Member
It's not CG!
There is one fabric sticking out of one of the bandages on the top of his head. So either they are running a vector displacement map (32 bit floating point) or put a fabric simulation(that they used for the hair)/modeled it for that one piece (creating a separate shader to match the bandages). That piece would cause more harm than it would be worth and scan data (which would have to be used) would not be able to pick it up correctly and it supposedly being real time would probably result in flicker/aliasing (not matter how much you up the subdivs or aa bias). If it was CG, I'd say they would have just removed it to remove any potential problems... this is just one of my theories.
#teamReal
There is one fabric sticking out of one of the bandages on the top of his head. So either they are running a vector displacement map (32 bit floating point) or put a fabric simulation(that they used for the hair)/modeled it for that one piece (creating a separate shader to match the bandages). That piece would cause more harm than it would be worth and scan data (which would have to be used) would not be able to pick it up correctly and it supposedly being real time would probably result in flicker/aliasing (not matter how much you up the subdivs or aa bias). If it was CG, I'd say they would have just removed it to remove any potential problems... this is just one of my theories.
#teamReal