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Paul Thurrott: April's next Xbox announcement "pushed back a month"

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Why should Microsoft fear Sony? All they did was eviscerate Sony's market share this generation. Microsoft (and every console maker really) probably will study the cluster that was the PS3 as a case study in how to shit the bed and lose market share like few companies before it.

If people think catchphrases like GDDR5 are going to move consoles, ya'll are in for a rude awakening. I'm not as dedicated a gamer as most here and even I had no idea what the difference between these RAM types before this thread. I can't imagine the vast majority of consumers give a shit about that technical stuff. It all comes down to compelling software.

Regardless, the timing of the announcement is irrelevant- if Microsoft responded in March it'd be spun as panicking. If Microsoft responded in May, it'd be see as panicking here. Hey, if you guys still love fixating on rumors, by all means, go ahead.
 

CrunchinJelly

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10:00 AM PDT is just a suggestion.
Gonna be a long two months...

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Dragon

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What in your world constitutes "appealing" then, if not for opening access to developers, removing obstacles for them, overhauling online infrastructure and the way developers approach a console?

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Why should Microsoft fear Sony? All they did was eviscerate Sony's market share this generation. Microsoft (and every console maker really) probably will study the cluster that was the PS3 as a case study in how to shit the bed and lose market share like few companies before it.

If people think catchphrases like GDDR5 are going to move consoles, ya'll are in for a rude awakening. I'm not as dedicated a gamer as most here and even I had no idea what the difference between these RAM types before this thread. I can't imagine the vast majority of consumers give a shit about that technical stuff. It all comes down to compelling software.

Regardless, the timing of the announcement is irrelevant- if Microsoft responded in March it'd be spun as panicking. If Microsoft responded in May, it'd be see as panicking here. Hey, if you guys still love fixating on rumors, by all means, go ahead.

Catchphrases like GDDR5 aren't moving consoles. Sony has revealed things that indicate they have learned from their mistakes. Microsoft on the other hand, at the end of this generation, has apparently been harder to work with (going by what some indie studios have said).
 

Router

Hopsiah the Kanga-Jew
My guess is that they are delaying at the request of developers. As others have mentioned a bunch of next-gen EA stuff is rolling out around the same time. They may be also delaying because Sony caught a lot of flack for not really showing a lot of substance. Didn't see the actual console, no price, no release date, lots of missing details.

MS will be really smart to bring lots of games, including next-gen stuff like Battlefield that people care about, and to be really specific. Give a release date, a price, heck they can be like Apple and say "Pre-orders at the Microsoft store start an hour after this conference!". This sort of thing not only generates huge hype it also gives them sales momentum.

I don't see how NOT revealing effects them negatively. I can see how a bad reveal can kill them. The longer they wait, the more stuff they line up, the better the reveal.

I doubt it. First and (important) 3rd party developers have had Durango based hardware for a loooong time now.
 
When everybody is talking about next gen stuff at GDC and MS name is left out I think they are out of touch. PS4 is getting all the press right now.
Most people I play games with have had no idea the ps4 was announced. I think gaf needs to realize that the buzz for the ps4 is not widespread at all. E3 will change that. It will take marketing to get people to care.
 

Bgamer90

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If they were actually "panicking", wouldn't it have made more sense for them to have a conference this month to 1-up Sony as soon as possible?

These posts are so funny.
 
K

kittens

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Guess it depends on the type of event. If it's Nintendo Direct infomercial type of reveal, yeah that would make makes sense. I stand corrected.
It could be a short but sweet one hour reveal. Cut the fat of the PS4 presentation, and just talk hardware, OS features, new controller, and games.
I left Kinect out cause I want it to die in a fire.
Make it just enough to let us know what to get hyped about and to make the competition look as bad as possible, and then save the bulk of the info and announcements for E3.

I have no idea if that's smart, but seems reasonable to me.
 
If they were actually "panicking", wouldn't it have made more sense for them to have a conference this month to 1-up Sony as soon as possible?

These posts are so funny.

If they were in panic mode, they'd have announced their November console in February. They're in the driver's seat, so they get the benefit of the doubt. I liked them better when they were the challenger, though. They're less fun now.
 

Camp Lo

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At this point, I'm more than willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. I don't even know why I'm so impatient, I won't even buy a 720 this or next year.
 

RoboPlato

I'd be in the dick
I don't think there's anything to worry about here. They're probably just waiting games to be in a better state before showing them. An extra month of optimizing a demo can do wonders.
 
Hopefully they have the ability to do that without too much spin, otherwise things could get ugly.
Sony has no doubt left much software to be shown at e3. A bad situation would be for ms to show too much before e3 and have a lackluster showing. I think if ms shows the console specs with some games at the announcement along with features and teases next gen gears or halo at e3 they will be in a great spot.
 
It doesn't work like that. It's far to late to implement new hardware features into either system without a massive delay.

You have zero idea what MS has been planning, scrapping, adding-back, scrapping again etc etc over the past few years. None of us do. Who knows, maybe Sony hasn't shown the actual console yet because they have something they don't want MS to see yet.
 

Bgamer90

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You have zero idea what MS has been planning, scrapping, adding-back, scrapping again etc etc over the past few years. None of us do. Who knows, maybe Sony hasn't shown the actual console yet because they have something they don't want MS to see yet.

Just a few hours ago I was thinking that maybe Sony will show off the PS4 console during the same day as the Next Xbox conference so that MS won't have all the attention.

It would be a good strategy I think.
 
It is a bit strange that even developers don't know what is going on with the next Xbox and don't even have a dev kit while Sony has put a dev kit in about everybody's hands. Now Microsoft is pushing their conference back a month, something doesn't add up here.
 
Maybe whatever MS has planned they don't want Sony to quickly implement before launch.

Or to quickly respond before E3. If MS comes up with some exclusive games, features, whatever in a big reveal right before E3 Sony has no time to respond. Then Sony has to endure an E3 of MS basically running all over them. After E3 Sony just seems pathetic trying to respond when the general public opinion is going to already be set.

As others have mentioned you can be sure MS is looking at every bullet point of the PS4 and deciding how to counter it. I would also bet that MS has lots of stuff Sony does not. So much of the PS4 reveal was just bringing it to parity with the 360, MS is going to be focusing on improving on the 360 and adding brand new features.
 
Most people I play games with have had no idea the ps4 was announced. I think gaf needs to realize that the buzz for the ps4 is not widespread at all. E3 will change that. It will take marketing to get people to care.

The 25+ million views on PS4's YT video tells a different story. Sony is spreading the word.
 
You have to wonder now if MS wasnt rocked a little bit by the 8 GB GDDR reveal from Sony. Obviously CPU and GPU are more important factors in a system, but 8 GB's of memory that fact is still a pretty big deal.
 
Maybe whatever MS has planned they don't want Sony to quickly implement before launch.

I was thinking the exact same thing. I don't think it's specs since those are long finalized. Could be a specific feature.

Also, why are people saying the PS4 hype has died down and sony announced too soon? No way. They announced at the perfect time. They're getting all this coverage and we still haven't seen the console yet. E3 is going to be like a second reveal.
 
The talk and mainstream coverage is on Sony now, because there is only Sony. When the next Xbox is revealed, they will be in mainstream coverage and media alongside Sony. The spotlight will never be just on them.

The spotlight is still shared as of now. One could argue that MS is generating more buzz by not announcing then they would have had they announced earlier (the number of threads on this forum points to his).

Anyone commenting that MS is in panic mode, scrambling, or reacting to Sony are ridiculous and are jumping to conclusions that no evidence supports.
 

harSon

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Yes, we know they're rumours. But a lot of these rumours came from the same highly credible sources that got everything right about PS4, and on top of that we have had some confirmed design docs leaked and some good overviews about the tech in the system. So even if stuff isn't officially announced, we have many things that are almost assuredly true.

With that in mind:

Wii U took shit from gamers, it's a disaster. There is no real correlation between when gamers are right and when they're wrong: gamers just automatically gravitate to the system that has the best potential for games, which tends to be high-tech propositions that offer developers the greatest set of tools (high tech includes controllers, so don't freak out dudes). Wii U's pad was simply a road already traveled, being basically an extension of the DS two screen philosophy.

Kinect is an abomination of tech only good for two genres, and they're shit mini/party game compilations and dance games. That fad came and went and nobody gives a shit about Kinect anymore, except the few still desperately clinging to the hope that it'll bring some new ideas to the table since as of yet it has not even created one single new idea. So the fact that Durango will be focusing an entire system around such a disastrous piece of tech is already bad news, even from a mass market perspective, because as Wii U proves if you're going to gimmick route people want 'the next big thing', not roads already traveled. These circus parlor trick gimmicks only work insofar as they can hold the attention of the ADHD-addled masses.

And what did they have to sacrifice to get Kinect 2.0 in every system? Well according to leaked tech docs, a system that had to sacrifice some level of power and cede some considerable ground to PS4 in that regard. We have word from Indies and mid-tier devs that Microsoft hasn't even tried to reach out to them. The word about the Indie philosophy has not much improved over XBLA days. We have words about anti-consumer policies. Words about the type of online requirements. SOME of the rumours are going to be true, since so many of them are from credible sources.

The question I pose to any individual is which of these do you actually WANT to be true? Because unless you're one of the bizarre few who actually continue to go on defending what Kinect is and always has been, there isn't anything really positive about Durango. That's a huge contrast from the early and persistent rumours about PS4 from the same credible sources, which were hugely positive and remain positive.

I'm a realist, is all. 360 was my favorite system last gen until Microsoft went and fucked up a good thing to focus on Kinect. I only want the system that offers the best games, and the best potential for future games. Durango in its current hypothetical state based on rumours is nightmare fuel.

Yes, we have confirmed specs (from early 2012) and design documents, but those are the only concrete details we have regarding the system. All of the negative rumors (No used games, always online, Kinect has to be plugged in, etc) do not originate from those areas, they originate from elsewhere. And a website having reliable rumors regarding the Playstation 4 simply means that they have reliable rumors regarding the Sony brand. Sony and Microsoft are two completely different companies, so I fail to see the logic in a website having reliable Sony information being a confirmation that all or most of their Microsoft related rumors must be true by mere association. It's been confirmed that Microsoft has been increasingly tight lipped with their next console, allowing employees access to information relevant to what they're working on, and only giving very few individuals knowledge of the platform as a whole.

And how does Nintendo's situation relate to Microsoft? The Wii cooled off long before the Wii U released. The Wii U was coming into the industry with a predecessor that was front and mid loaded, with a tail end that was worsening by the month. That's an indication of two things, either A) The market reached saturation or B) The market grew tired of the Wii as an alternative means of gaming. We'll never know if it was option B considering Nintendo took the Wii U in a completely different direction than its predecessor, a direction that is obviously not striking a chord with the user base. The Xbox 360 on the other hand is still selling extremely well, and has been for quite a while. Unlike Nintendo, with the Next Xbox, Microsoft is coming off of a hot selling console, and unlike Nintendo, Microsoft is staying the course with its next console from what we can tell. The situations couldn't be any more different, and it makes little sense to try and come to any type of a legitimate conclusion by comparing the two.

I've said it before, but in terms of Independent Developers, our information is currently restricted to two sources. A) Independent Developers who are working on a Sony platform and B) Independent Developers who are not working on the Next Xbox. This is due to the fact that those who are currently developing for the platform, and do have something positive to say about the platform are under strict NDAs not to speak about the platform. If you're only sources of information are from those making Playstation 4 games and from those not making a Next Xbox game, then of course it's easy to create a narrative that's negative, the information available sort of forces you in that direction. The independent developing community is quite large, and we've only heard from a handful thus far. I'm sure Microsoft has its crop of independent developed games, just as Sony as theres.

And the most hardcore of the hardcore gamers haven't dictated the direction of the industry since the Playstation 1, and unless that changes, it's misguided to try and make any sort of a claim while embodying the mindset of that type of gamer.
 

Hindle

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Basically how i thought they'd announce all along. Two back to back conferences equals max hype.

Edit. Expect this to be aimed at the mass market as well. Big name celebrity, loads of advertising, little mention of tech speak etc.
 
If they were in panic mode, they'd have announced their November console in February. They're in the driver's seat, so they get the benefit of the doubt. I liked them better when they were the challenger, though. They're less fun now.

If MS thinks they are in the drivers seat, after how this generation has played out, then they are Fucked

when you can barely outsell your competitor with a years head start, costing nearly twice as much less, and with the favorable 3rd party support you better damn not think your controlling anything, let us pray, for MS sake, they are not as fucking retarded as some of their fans seem to think they are

you can be an air head when you have 70% market share, but when your barely scraping past 30%......
 

Swarley

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I have to laugh at all of the "so 2014 launch now?" comments. Pushing their announcement back 30 days more than likely has nothing to do with their launch window. The only thing it shows is that they weren't ready for Sony to announce as early as they did. There's no way they would let Sony launch a few months before them.

As for "might as well just wait for E3 now." No, not really. If you wait until E3 to unveil, you're going to have too much stuff to cover in that press conference. Have the big unveiling in late May, and then you have the hype carrying right over into E3 a few weeks later where you can spend the whole time there talking about games and more specific details about the console. Doing everything all at once at E3 would be a mistake.
 
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