reptilescorpio
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Wait, they were having sex with people at the party? Are they prostitutes or dancers?
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Fabricated Notch/Mojang party escort allegations; Twitter monsters spring into action
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booth babes are hardly wear anything.
First of all bad analogy because everyone of course handles stuff differently with family members.
Second there is a difference between strippers to prostitutes and then to women who go to parties to break the ice and get paid for it.
Third I have a female friend who does the latter, no problem with it, she is happy with it so what?
It is quick money earned, she can use it pretty well for studying.
Advice for the 'misguided' dude, who says they don't have another job or study and use rhe money for it?
A lot of people here seem to be playing....White Knight Chronicles
It was a huge party with Skrillex and Diplo, what's the harm of having girls be there to dance? The only problem right now seems to be that this was thrown by some videogame dudes because I don't see people get upset about every other party that has paid girls dancing...which is practically every single one of them.
sorry
It was a huge party with Skrillex and Diplo, what's the harm of having girls be there to dance? The only problem right now seems to be that this was thrown by some videogame dudes because I don't see people get upset about every other party that has paid girls dancing...which is practically every single one of them.
KillerTravis
Banned
I also read a lot of tweets of people having a lot of fun at the party, people with girlfriends/boyfriends. Probably it was a dude that couldn't enter the VIP section that is making these claims.
not_so_special
Banned
hey,this is legal to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbALBvRek1k
me prometi no responder jamas un post tuyo,lo siento
Phaethon0017
Member
Seriously? If he paid escorts to show up at a private party where's the harm? If he paid his normal female employees to dance around him then maybe we got a problem here.
I can't help but laugh. Who are you to judge what someone else finds to be a satisfying job. Perhaps these women love socializing/dancing at these type of parties. Or perhaps they just enjoy the fact that the job pays very well compared to the average job that you consider to be far more fulfilling. Either way, it's up to them to decide what to do with their lives and careers, not you. The very notion that you find it necessary to "protect" these women from these "vile" jobs where they get paid well ironically makes you rather sexist yourself. After all, women, like men, can make their own choices in life just fine.
lazer_bean
Member
if someone im related was exploited in such a way, yeah i would certainly try and talk them into doing something else and get them out of that situation. I obviously have nothing against these women, just against the people who support this exploitation
im not saying legal = ok, at all
im saying the topic at hand is how apparently "disgusting" it is that Mojan hired these girls and suddenly the OP goes into a completely misguided (hur) tanget about the concept of women in society and apparently him deciding what job they should have and what job they shouldnt
porque esa promesa? :s
Trent Strong
Banned
This isn't fucking Saudi Arabia, women can get pretty much any job they want. There are women working everywhere, in every field. You sound like you stepped out of the 1950s.
1. They are not strippers.
2. 90% of the time, it's a part-time, temporary job to make money quickly. Many of these girls will have good jobs in the future because they are currently going to school. They just want to make money on the side.
3. There's not a lot of differences between this job (dancing and socializing) and being a barmaid.
blitzcloud
Banned
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=plCcmK1vjkc#t=238s
this explains why this evil is needed.
I know it sounds like a stretch, but what if the ratio of male-female was 100-1? wouldn't those females feel uncomfortable by the sheer amount of disparity? Keeping both genders balanced is good, unless we're talking about "just for the eyes", or having a seductive behaviour, or whatever. I agree it's not good, because it feels artificial... i don't know what their true intentions were, but I'm not just gonna think they did it for sexist purposes because it happened
this explains why this evil is needed.
I know it sounds like a stretch, but what if the ratio of male-female was 100-1? wouldn't those females feel uncomfortable by the sheer amount of disparity? Keeping both genders balanced is good, unless we're talking about "just for the eyes", or having a seductive behaviour, or whatever. I agree it's not good, because it feels artificial... i don't know what their true intentions were, but I'm not just gonna think they did it for sexist purposes because it happened
I'm gonna give people the benefit of the doubt and assume their words are coming from a honest place. I'm also not going to quote exact posts so it doesn't become personal.
But, unless you're a woman AND you're talking about your own life you have no place saying what a "woman's life" should or shouldn't be. No place at all.
But, unless you're a woman AND you're talking about your own life you have no place saying what a "woman's life" should or shouldn't be. No place at all.
Those poor, naive women. What ever would they do without you.
Riposte
Member
This thread is getting loco.
This gif went places I did not expect it to when it started.
polyh3dron
Banned
I don't think you realize how sexist you are being right now with this attitude. Who are you to tell a woman what to do? Why should you be an authority over what they do with their lives? I have a few friends who do this kind of thing as a side gig, one of whom just graduated law school and another who works in online marketing. It's just something they do on the side. They get paid to go to parties. If I were to show this thread to them they would laugh their asses off. They don't need this white knighting and they're not being exploited like some Russian prostitutes whose pimps are holding their passports hostage or anything.
No, they were attractive women hired as hostesses to serve and socialize with the guests. Sort of like how a popular nightclub has attractive servers and bartenders. Apparently a few people feel it was sexist and have now started to spam twitter.
Unlike the IGDA which represent an advocacy group and collect dues, this was a private party by a studio.
That's their own choice, why are you seemingly trying to force your worldview on them?
EDIT: polyh3dron said it better.
Fox_Mulder
Rockefellers. Skull and Bones. Microsoft. Al Qaeda. A Cabal of Bankers. The melting point of steel. What do these things have in common? Wake up sheeple, the landfill wasn't even REAL!
My sister or mom are not that type of women. But the world is plenty of women who would have paid 300$/h for chatting at a party (or more)...
Have you been shocked if they were men (instead women)?
dragonelite
Member
And its not like a big part of STEM is for nerds and lets face it people don't want to really be nerds, especially girls. But things are changing with all those campaigns going on with how people need to learn how to code or use a computer. Things will change but these things they take time.(butchered gaben quote)
not_so_special
Banned
im hardly a white knight,and a i know really well how this world runs,i still find a bit stupid that mojang did this,on the actual climate of the development comunity,and all the talk about women on this medium you got and pay scorts on you party? i know he is european (the whole thing is different there) but its still stupid
KillerTravis
Banned
https://vine.co/v/bjTKubnPeJ6
https://vine.co/v/bjILHwK3KeP
Damn I would've love to be at that party.
https://vine.co/v/bjILHwK3KeP
Damn I would've love to be at that party.
reptilescorpio
Member
Ohhhhh that makes sense, seemed like a strange thing for them to do!
it really is mindblowing to see these kinds of opinions where people are unwillingly being sexist by trying to express what they consider to be sexist
it's just fucking weird. It's like a completely wrong grasp of the subject.
that's totally fine. Im simply debating the argument OP is giving.
lazer_bean
Member
people whose job is to get paid for sex and are totally fine with it are a minority
so selling your body is just "quick money earned", i think that's a really fucked up way of thinking
BrokenEchelon
Banned
So do you spend your days at strip clubs handing out flyers that say "You can do better!"?
Emerson
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Your posts are, hilariously, the most sexist ones in this thread. Many women who choose that profession would disagree vehemently with your assessment of it, and your attitude towards the women is insanely paternal and condescending.
Sure I think there can be a lot of discussion about whether this was the best way to go about it, the timing involved (especially with the other scandal! lol!), and how the game development community is perceived. I don't feel we have enough context and details to really say anything about it right now though.
At the same time, I have no idea why the OP is expressing some of the comments he did, like there should be some sort of crusade to remove these jobs from existence and to help women get better jobs. There might not be full gender equality in society yet, but those comments are fucking lol-worthy.
Holy shit, all you people up in arms. Look at the fucking party. It's no different than any other nightclub or dance party. This isn't an advocacy group that collects member dues. This was a private party thrown by Mojang. No different than in any other industry, ie. Music, Film etc.
Have you folks never been to a large dance party before? It's even more hectic than I thought. Of course they are going to hire attractive bartenders, servers and hostesses to socialize. No different than if you went to a club downtown.
polyh3dron
Banned
The problem in this thread is that people who don't move in those circles think its some outlandish nefarious practice, and being a gaming forum it tends to attract people who don't see this kind of thing often if at all.
These women know they're being hired as eye candy. They're cool with it.
were these booth babes or just regular girls that were being paid? I can't make that out from the tweets
Grand Funk Carwash
Banned
pfft half the people in a nightclub on any given friday are paid to be there.
The people complaining are likely to be people who aren't used to that kind of setting.
"Why are women here? I don't think these women play Minecraft..."
"Maybe Notch paid them to be here so it wouldn't be mostly males?"
"Yeah... I think we should tweet about this! Wait, what stance should I take: good or bad?"
"Go with bad since you'll get more attention"
"Wait til NeoGAF sees this!"
"Wait til Kotaku sees NeoGaf!"
"Why are women here? I don't think these women play Minecraft..."
"Maybe Notch paid them to be here so it wouldn't be mostly males?"
"Yeah... I think we should tweet about this! Wait, what stance should I take: good or bad?"
"Go with bad since you'll get more attention"
"Wait til NeoGAF sees this!"
"Wait til Kotaku sees NeoGaf!"
It's just a party guys!
whyreggielie
Member
They were the entertainment. Last year at Pax Prime I went to the Dishonored mansion party, open bar and lots of alcohol. They had women in maid outfits and men in butler outfits for entertainment.
While these women are not dancing, they're there to entertain the guests. If you chose your profession as a go-go dancer or an actor then you're gonna look for jobs within those professions. These women found a gig and one that paid well so how can you blame someone for providing these people with a job they already wanted?
You don't know what these women want and they were not forced to do anything (that we know of) so I don't see what the problem is here.
While these women are not dancing, they're there to entertain the guests. If you chose your profession as a go-go dancer or an actor then you're gonna look for jobs within those professions. These women found a gig and one that paid well so how can you blame someone for providing these people with a job they already wanted?
You don't know what these women want and they were not forced to do anything (that we know of) so I don't see what the problem is here.
polyh3dron
Banned
OP is presumably a male who wants to tell women how to run their lives in the name of equality.
OP's username is also quite fitting in regards to this thread that he made.
Have you asked those women what they want to do? Maybe they actually like doing stuff like this to make a few extra bucks.
IrishNinja
Member
ahahahahaha are you for real?
some dated-ass 2nd wave feminism up in here, let's tell these women what they can and cant do for a living, based on social perceptions and intellectual stimulation, oh god i cant even say that in my head without laughing
miguided is right - this isn't white knighting, he's sunbro status