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[DopeyFish]

Absolutely none of that requires constant check-ins at three minute intervals during SP games, or else the game can't be played.

It does require constant checks at least when you look at the multi screen strategy, they could adjust the ping timing though if it becomes an issue

People are looking at the end game as Xbox as a hardware platform

I'm looking at it from the perspective that Xbox live is the platform and the Xbox itself is a feature rich access node

 

[Revven]

rofl, can't wait for the meltdowns when this shit is actually spouted from MS' mouth in a month or two and watch people still deny it.

 

[ultim8p00]

No, my point was, it's not 'jumping to conclusions', it's arriving at a conclusion based on several rumours that corroborate each other, there's nothing wrong with that at all. There are no facts until MS reveals them, so this is all we have.

That's what jumping to conclusions means. You are making a conclusions based on rumors and incomplete, conflicting, and even sometimes absurd information.

 

[ironcreed]

haha, no shit. We are so mad we didn't get to spin it our way first!

LOL

 

[FordGTGuy]

Wow you are clueless. Read this article and get up to speed.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/xbox-720-requires-internet-connection-to-load-games-6406433

I've read the articles they are all speculations and rumors without any facts or confirmations to back them up.

How could they "REQUIRE" you to do that? Will they ban you if you unplug your ethernet cable? That makes no sense in the context of the articles.

Paul said it will work offline, it's not a requirement it's just how it's going to work.

 

[benny_a]

That's what jumping to conclusions means. You are making a conclusions based on rumors and incomplete, conflicting, and even sometimes absurd information.

There are no conflicting rumors. You are manufacturing these conflicts by quotemining sentences without context.

You are the only conflicting rumor-monger as people might believe what you write.

Paul said it will work offline, it's not a requirement it's just how it's going to work.

No he didn't. Read the article again carefully.

 

[BlazingDarkness]

As in when the console goes into a sleep mode it maintains the internet connection, how is this so hard to understand?

He explicitly says

require an always-on Internet connection

Not 'maintains' a connection, it REQUIRES one.

 

[mavs]

That's what jumping to conclusions means. You are making a conclusions based on rumors and incomplete, conflicting, and even sometimes absurd information.

So far, none of the information is conflicting. Including this Paul Thurrott article. Incomplete and absurd, you've got that dead on, but not so absurd it can't be true.

I've read the articles they are all speculations and rumors without any facts or confirmations to back them up.

Paul said it will work offline, it's not a requirement it's just how it's going to work.

He said Windows works offline. And then he said "But,"

 

[Voice of Reason]

So you still have to be online to start the game, and still have to be on every 3 minutes. This article did nothing to defute those claims.

All it did was reconfirm them by not implicitly stating otherwise.

So XBOX NEXT is the anti-consumer device of 2013.

Your account gets hacked (You can't connect to live and use your device it is now a brick)
You find yourself offline (You console is useless until this gets resolved)
Live is down (Your console is useless)
You account was halted by your ISP for bandwidth usage (your console is now bricked)

Now for privacy:

Your information is possibly sold to the highest bidder (see terms of service)
They know what's in your room at all time
Potential for spying
Pedophiles wet dream (my children will not play a console that has online and camera usage at the same time)...that's just asking for trouble
Ads: tailored to what kinetic detects in your house

This has do not buy written all over it.

Some of your privacy concerns are irrational.

 

[Nibiru]

still doesnt change the FACT that these are all rumours.

This is nonsense at this point. I expect that Microsoft will not have the hubris to actually go ahead with this and will change course by the time of the reveal. That said there is no question that at a certain point in the development of the console always online was a go. There is way to much fire here for there to be nothing to it.

Sure they might make a change by the time of the reveal but the intentions to make it always online at one point are not rumors. It is fact.

So if it turns out at reveal that it is not always online we can safely chalk it up to backlash NOT us believing rumors.

 

[GoofsterStud]

I've read the articles they are all speculations and rumors without any facts or confirmations to back them up.



Paul said it will work offline, it's not a requirement it's just how it's going to work.

Yes the Xbox is still fully functional offline. Just all you can do is troubleshoot your internet connection by what we have to go by. It still turns on, it still does something, it might be an instant loop, but it still functions.

 

[ultim8p00]

I think Paul is talking about two different things there. The offline mode comment is in reference to Windows phone and the like, NOT the next Xbox. Confusingly worded for sure.

Which he said the next box will follow in terms of strategy

As in emulate

As in do things just like the Windows phone is doing

Is is really that hard?

 

[FordGTGuy]

He explicitly says

Not 'maintains' a connection, it REQUIRES one.

Sorry forgot he was talking about the Windows 8 apps.

 

[kaching]

Why would you consider everything else that is negative, (mainly the always-online internet connection) but ignore the part where it says the next Xbox is designed to follow the steps of the other devices, including the part where it says it will also work offline? You are only seeing what you want to see. There's conflicting information, and we can't conclude either way from what he said.

Because this preceding statement from Paul, "I don’t know the specifics of what that means" is a disclaimer that declares the rest purely as speculation, aka he doesn't know exactly how closely Xbox Next will hew to the always-online approach of those other platforms. He's got nothing to offer there over an above the basic observation about how MS other platforms already work, an observation which anyone can make. He clearly caveats that he doesn't know exactly how Xbox may retain or _depart_ from those strategies.

 

[Four_Chamber]

Oh god, this thread is starting to really get entertaining. Back to claims of Kinect spying on you?

 

[BlastProcessing]

I've read the articles they are all speculations and rumors without any facts or confirmations to back them up.



Paul said it will work offline, it's not a requirement it's just how it's going to work.

Then why does he say this?

With bad memories of the horrible SimCity launch in our minds—that PC game also requires an Internet connection, even in “single player” mode—it’s understandable why some are nervous about this.

I read the article as saying this.

1. Yes the Next Xbox requires a connection to function.
2. This makes sense when you look at where the company is going.
3. People are going to be nervous about it.
4. Don't worry it will be awesome.

 

[BlockheadBrown]

It seems like he's just turning more and more into a Microsoft Apologist. It's his bread and butter, so it makes sense - to a point. I see what he's trying to do here, but I don't think it helps the situation at all.

 

[KaYotiX]

I will buy it regardless. Always online doesn't bother me at all.

Same with the PS4.

 

[FordGTGuy]

Even I'm coming around to the opinion that Microsoft was dumb to push back the reveal with so many questions up in the air.

I will eat a family of crows but I still think it's going to turn out to be always-on and not always-online.

 

[Fox Mulder]

i'm excited for what this will bring and the way i see it, if your internet is so spotty that this truly will be a huge negative for you - maybe you ought to be complaining about your ISP...

I do have a shitty internet connection, but live in an rural area with a monopoly provider. It's AT&T DSL or nothing.

Even if it ran perfectly or I had the fastest broadband in the world, games are still forced to rely on company servers to run. The recent issues with Sim City and Diablo show that even giants like Blizzard and EA can't guarantee their shit will work. We've also seen EA shutting off servers to games they don't want to support all generation. It's one thing to shut off the online for Madden a year later, it's another to render it completely unplayable.

I don't trust these companies to control my $60 games.

 

[Mashing]

I hope they get booed off the stage when they announce always online required.

 

[bidguy]

This is nonsense at this point. I expect that Microsoft will not have the hubris to actually go ahead with this and will change course by the time of the reveal. That said there is no question that at a certain point in the development of the console always online was a go. There is way to much fire here for there to be nothing to it.

Sure they might make a change by the time of the reveal but the intentions to make it always online at one point are not rumors. It is fact.

So if it turns out at reveal that it is not always online we can safely chalk it up to backlash NOT us believing rumors.

im not saying theres nothing to the rumours but people are acting out before MS even responds or reveals something which is bs.people are stating rumours as facts

 

[Mifune]

Which he said the next box will follow in terms of strategy

As in emulate

As in do things just like the Windows phone is doing

Is is really that hard?

Do you really have to be so condescending?

It's a confusingly written paragraph. Given that he states upfront that the Xbox "requires" an "always-on Internet connection" it stands to reason that it doesn't have an offline mode and that particular term is being used in reference to already existing devices.

But again, I don't know for sure because it's unclear.

 

[Nibiru]

I will buy it regardless. Always online doesn't bother me at all.

Same with the PS4.

Ps4 isn't always online...

 

[M-PG71C]

That's fair, however I cannot and will not purchase it based on that. I do live in a rural area and my internet sucks all the time. When you have to take your 3DS to a Mickey D's occasionally to download a game off the eShop, and even then its slow, you live rural.

I guess I am going all PS4/Wii U next-generation.

 

[BlastProcessing]

Which he said the next box will follow in terms of strategy

As in emulate

As in do things just like the Windows phone is doing

Is is really that hard?

He doesn't say emulate; he doesn't even use the word emulate. He says:

More to the point, I think that an always-on Xbox is directly in keeping with Microsoft’s strategy for all next-generation platforms, including Windows Phone (all versions) and Windows 8/RT, which are designed to work as if you are simply connected all the time.

As in, that the next xbox is a logical progression of the new services oriented Microsoft. Microsoft has been working very hard to transition from a product company to a services company. Look at the new subscription based office as an example of this. If you wanted to turn the Xbox into a service, requiring online is a logical step you would take.

 

[PFD]

I'm almost morbidly curious to see how Microsoft could try and spin an online only/always online Xbox into a positive...

Same here, it's gonna be hilarious

 

[todahawk]

Yeah, but I'm not talking about rumors. I'm talking about what this guy supposedly with a reliable source said, and the ridiculous conclusions people are making based on his words.

There are multiple independent sources confirming the always online requirement outside of Paul's article. While technically this is all still 'rumor' the only thing left is confirmation from MS. Paul being a reliable MS insider just keeps adding to it.

 

[Derrick01]

rofl, can't wait for the meltdowns when this shit is actually spouted from MS' mouth in a month or two and watch people still deny it.

I seriously doubt MS will mention it during the conference that everyone is watching. Maybe they'll spin it to a different term or mention it only in a post conference interview with some small gaming outlet. But seeing how the reaction is even with mainstream outlets I doubt they'll admit it's always online on stage.

 

[BlazingDarkness]

Sorry forgot he was talking about the Windows 8 apps.

Yeah, the article is worded really badly.

Watch this for clarification, he says 'must be internet connected to use'.

 

[Flatline]

Oh god, this thread is starting to really get entertaining. Back to claims of Kinect spying on you?

Yeah man, it's not Microsoft has filled pattern that suggests that the camera would spy on you to see how you react to certain ads or something. Oh wait.

http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/ingame/kinect-lets-you-interact-ads-may-spy-your-mood-828447

 

[PFD]

http://winsupersite.com/hardware/what-i-use-march-2013

I just read through that ^

I now hate him more than I hate most Apple fanboys.







This guy would literally eat a piece of shit if it had a Microsoft logo on it somewhere.

Dude the new paint isn't that bad...

 

[blurredvision]

You don't need to be super sensitive to be really fucking pissed off about a device locking you out of your paid content based on your internet connection and the stability of Microsoft's servers.

See, this is the thing. You guys are getting super pissed when you haven't even been affected by this. I'm not really fucking pissed off because I have no financial leaning into the next XBOX platform. I may or may not buy it, that remains to be seen (mainly based that we all don't really know anything about it yet), but I'm not pissed of now. Microsoft hasn't done anything to me.

 

[DigitalOp]

See you on the battlefield MS.

I loved OG Xbox but your reign has carried for far too long.

 

[JABEE]

Even I'm coming around to the opinion that Microsoft was dumb to push back the reveal with so many questions up in the air.

I will eat a family of crows but I still think it's going to turn out to be always-on and not always-online.

I hope you're right for the sake of the industry that I enjoy. Going through with this would take away any ability for companies like Microsoft to say they care about games being art.

Archiving and being able to experience great art is something that technology has equipped us to be able to do. sing that technology to effectively destroy the ability for people to play and experience something 6 years from now is a damn shame.

 

[Nibiru]

im not saying theres nothing to the rumours but people are acting out before MS even responds or reveals something which is bs.people are stating rumours as facts

Fair enough. I'm just concerned that when MS backpedals on this that we aren't ridiculed for believing "rumors" that were never true. If they do change position then you can count on this happening. When the reality is that it was the consumers disdain for this that CAUSED them to change position.

They are spin doctors though and will never admit that we have the ability to change things instead it will be that we were all dummies for believing lies.

 

[Mashing]

I seriously doubt MS will mention it during the conference that everyone is watching. Maybe they'll spin it to a different term or mention it only in a post conference interview with some small gaming outlet. But seeing how the reaction is even with mainstream outlets I doubt they'll admit it's always online on stage.

That would cause even more bad PR.

 

[BlastProcessing]

I hope you're right for the sake of the industry that I enjoy. Going through with this would take away any ability for companies like Microsoft to say they care about games being art.

Archiving and being able to experience great art is something that technology has equipped us to be able to do. Using that technology to effectively destroy the ability for people to play and experience something 6 years from now is a damn shame.

Internet High five!

 

[shandy706]

"are designed to work as if you are simply connected all the time. Yes, they do work offline, of course."

It appears he's including the NeXtbox here.

So no big deal then? Just like my Steam account. It's always connected, but works offline.

 

[Tratorn]

Does Paul use twitter? Then someone just should ask him to clarify these conflicting informations.
Or ask something like "Is online-connection also required for singleplayer-games and apps?"

 

[statham]

Yeah, the article is worded really badly.

Watch this for clarification, he says 'must be internet connected to use'.

thanks for that link.

 

[Mifune]

"are designed to work as if you are simply connected all the time. Yes, they do work offline, of course."

It appears he's including the NeXtbox here.

So no big deal then? Just like my Steam account. It's always connected, but works offline.

That's not what he's saying. "Work offline" is not in reference to the next Xbox. Or at least that's how I'm reading it.

 

[Montresor]

rofl, can't wait for the meltdowns when this shit is actually spouted from MS' mouth in a month or two and watch people still deny it.

You can laugh all you want, but I will still remain cautiously optimistic that the rumours are false until Microsoft makes an official announcement. When they announce the system, if they gloss over Online-Only functionality, if they try to vaguely define that functionality and don't confirm one way or another how Online-Only in the system works, then I'll join the shit storm. Ditto if they explicitly confirm the Online-Only rumours.

I really do hope they squash the rumour whenever they announce the console though.

 

[Prologue]

So microsoft is having a conference late may and then in june? Seems a bit odd to have them so close together.Basically a week or two apart.

I think Sony planned this better.

 

[ultim8p00]

No he didn't. Read the article again carefully.

He said Windows works offline. And then he said "But,"

Uhh...What?

Here is the quote:

More to the point, I think that an always-on Xbox is directly in keeping with Microsoft’s strategy for all next-generation platforms, including Windows Phone (all versions) and Windows 8/RT, which are designed to work as if you are simply connected all the time. Yes, they do work offline, of course. But the apps platform on these systems—which will be replicated on the Windows 8-based next Xbox—assumes a connection. Microsoft’s new platforms are integrated conduits for online services.

Let me break it down for you guys, since reading comprehension isn't your forte:

I think that an always-on Xbox is directly in keeping with Microsoft’s strategy for all next-generation platforms, including Windows Phone (all versions) and Windows 8/RT, which are designed to work as if you are simply connected all the time.

Translation: Durango will work similarly to win phone and win8/rt - as if you always have an internet connection.
Comment: We know that the majority of the features on those items require an internet connection, but they still work offline.

Yes, they do work offline, of course.

Translation: Win8/RT and the phone do work offline, even though they are designed for always online - essentially they are always-online platforms.
Comment: Basically confirming my earlier comment.

But the apps platform on these systems—which will be replicated on the Windows 8-based next Xbox—assumes a connection. Microsoft’s new platforms are integrated conduits for online services.

Translation: The apps on these systems assume that you have an internet connection. The apps on the Windows 8-based xbox will also assume a connection.
Comment: NOTHING IS ACTUALLY BEING SAID ABOUT GAMES. Only apps. The apps will be designed to work online.

So just like the phone can still make phone calls without an internet connection, and you can still use your windows 8 PC without an internet connection, the next Xbox will still have basic offline functionality, and one would logically assume that it can play games, although it does not specifically say so. The apps and some other features will work assuming you have an internet connection, BUT WE CANNOT CONCLUDE ANYTHING ABOUT GAMES, though we can logically assume that games will at least work offline going by what he said.

THERE, you got it?

 

[Thug Waffle]

^lol. "WE CANNOT CONCLUDE ANYTHING ABOUT GAMES..." but "we can logically assume that games will at least work offline going by what he said." We cannot cross the street, but we can cross the street.


What does he mean people are way too sensitive? It's a meaningless, unnecessary feature that slights not just low-income consumers, but those with unreliable internet connections (how rare do they really think this is? really?).

 

[Revven]

"are designed to work as if you are simply connected all the time. Yes, they do work offline, of course."

It appears he's including the NeXtbox here.

So no big deal then? Just like my Steam account. It's always connected, but works offline.

It's in reference to the Windows devices, not the nextbox.

 

[GoofsterStud]

Yeah, the article is worded really badly.

Watch this for clarification, he says 'must be internet connected to use'.

Wow he just said I don't think the new Xbox will play 360 games and that is why they are releasing a new Xbox 360 code named stingray for $99 when the next xbox comes out.

>.>

Good watch, thanks for sharing.

Durango is going to be expensive. You know $500 without subscription or $300 with. How much credibility does this guy have?

Always online:
"It actually says must be internet connected to use. In the notes."

 

[Glorified G]

That's not what he's saying. "Work offline" is not in reference to the next Xbox. Or at least that's how I'm reading it.

It's in reference to the Windows devices, not the nextbox.

Seriously, is it really this hard? I'm really surprised this has to be explained so many times in this thread.

 

[Hoo-doo]

Yeah, the article is worded really badly.

Watch this for clarification, he says 'must be internet connected to use'.

Xbox priced around 500, 300 for a subscription model? What?

Thanks for sharing this. Might be new thread worthy.