The stupidest thing I've seen somebody ruin their career over was Facebook-related. There was some guy who passed the exams and got into the RCMP in Canada, then decided to put up a picture of himself heiling a cake in a brownshirts outfit on Hitler's birthday. They kicked him out of training, and a job that had pretty good pay and stability.
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Adam Orth no longer with Microsoft
- Thread starter Wario64
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good job internet
RiccochetJ
Gold Member
God I am sick of people not being able to take responsibility for their actions. Maybe Orth is, but his defenders on twitter don't seem to grasp that concept.
It is always somebody else's fault.
Bwahaha
UberTag
Member
More like they're just sabre rattling with one another because they feel they could be the next person professionally undermined for not watching what they say in a public feed on Twitter.
May as well demonize us now as part of a "just in case" protocol. Even if it was Adam that sunk his own ship.
"The Internet... why would I want to post there?"
The other variable that's in play here is that we live in the era of "Zero Accountability, Somebody Else is Always to Blame".
I'm not an idiot. I'm not a bad parent. I'm not an employee that violated an NDA.
It's society. It's Internet radicals. It's those Western developers failing to bang a Metacritic score. It's Al Qaida. It's always something else.
shinobi602
Member
And? I looked at his profile, saw exactly who he was, and made the Orthy comment as an obvious joke.
I don't really see anything wrong with the situation in broad strokes, but individual people always take it too far. I don't think it's cool to start posting the guy's personal info so people can harass him. What's the point? How is that at all constructive?
On the other hand, his tweets were pretty boneheaded and most certainly have created a big headache for MS, so to me, it seems perfectly legitimate for him to lose his job. I just wish people wouldn't go to such lengths to dig up personal attacks against those who make internet mistakes.
On the other hand, his tweets were pretty boneheaded and most certainly have created a big headache for MS, so to me, it seems perfectly legitimate for him to lose his job. I just wish people wouldn't go to such lengths to dig up personal attacks against those who make internet mistakes.
ProfessorMoran
Member
Sony?
Who's doing that?
RiccochetJ
Gold Member
Sure. Go back to copying entire articles from other websites.
BladeoftheImmortal
Member
No free speech!
akidnamededdy
Banned
That is probably the best dealwithit gif I've ever seen or ever will see.
shinobi602
Member
You got it bud!
Those entitled terrorists voted EA for worst company. Fuck them, I hope Dragon Age 3 gets released with a shit-ton of on-disc day-one DLC and pre-order bonuses.
Seriously now, I agree with the last paragraph of your post.
Seriously? An executive goes on a public rant about a multi billion dollar product from his company before there is a single official announcement made. He seemingly confirms a controversial feature without giving any mind to the company's marketing strategy. He openly antagonizes the company's customers over said feature. He associates his company's product with having a shitty electricity provider. AND a shitty cellphone network. I bet that made Microsoft's marketing team super happy.
So he gets fired and it's supposed to be everyone's fault but his own?
So he gets fired and it's supposed to be everyone's fault but his own?
RiccochetJ
Gold Member
Glad we now know where we stand.
hooijdonk17
Member
Should have been first post.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
He only has himself to blame.
zerokoolpsx
Member
You don't say? Not surprised.
akidnamededdy
Banned
Pretty much. The gaming industry seems intent on making its customers out to be its enemy.
You just don't understand the industry man! You haven't been on the other side of the internet! (Not that I doubt getting shit from the entire internet isn't completely fucking horrible. I hope to never be on the receiving end...).
You bring up a good point. Considering how quiet Microsoft has been about this whole thing, having guards checking who goes in and out at their building (from what I've heard) and telling employees to lie to their other project managers about what they're working on, Mister Orth saying all this stuff doesn't seem like it meshes well with what MS had in mind.
BlackGoku03
Member
I feel you on that.
He was an asshat, yes. He should have kept his mouth shut, yes. Did he cause massive damage to the company? That remains to be seen. He definitely brought a massive amount of attention to them, that's for sure.
It's just that I've seen people not get fired for worse but after thinking about it some more, yeah I can see how his actions justifies his attrition. It could have gone either way, really.
Barbacoatl
Banned
We need Jack Thompson back to bring some balance. Ah the good ol' times when the patrons of the industry weren't entitled whiny loud vocal minorities.
PLEASE BUY OUR GAME!
I miss him. Not even kidding.
In all honesty though, in every industry someone gets screwed and someone doesn't. It's a matter of the proportion. Gaming is no different. However, xenist's post is right on the mark. I'm surprised someone finally brought one of the issues as to why he resigned up.
Then again... we have stuff like this as well in the industry. Sort of disheartening that this kind of discussion/interaction is going on. Makes me sad not as a gamer but as a person. Ugh.
Although, my interactions with various executives and upper management employees (particularly Sony) from the industry has been mostly positive.
or the customers seem intent on making the gaming industry their enemy
Oh good, I'm sure it will be full of insight. I bet Orth can't wait to read it.
Barbacoatl
Banned
Wow, Kevin Dent is one.big.shit
Cristo Jesus.
Cristo Jesus.
BlackGoku03
Member
Dude doesn't have to work another day in his life.
Lets be real here, anybody would hire him in a second.
Barbacoatl
Banned
Yup, they keep spending billions on their products just to spite them.
Kung Fu Grip
Banned
David Jaffe is going to be mad at you guys.
You make it sound like people with an ego or who are always on a mission to be right are pure evil or something.
Is it really hard to fathom that such personalities exist.
I listen to Rebel FM so I have a pretty good idea of what Gies is like. I've met heaps of people like that, they usually get on peoples' nerves but like any bad trait it depends on how the other traits mitigate it and a bunch of other factors. They certainly aren't completely ostracized or burned at the stake or anything.
akidnamededdy
Banned
Wow, didn't see any of the Dent stuff till you posted that. Do people just not get how Twitter works?
Also true, there's definitely animosity on both sides.
Though to be fair, the customers aren't the ones trying to sell a product to the gaming industry.
BishopLamont
Banned
Moral of the story: Don't fuck around with the internets.
RiccochetJ
Gold Member
David Jaffe should inform his closest friends about social interaction when places like this one exist.
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
Due to pressure from his superiors. So yeah, he "resigned" before they'd have to fire him.
A person like that exists? There's no fucking way someone is an equal scumbag with Perez, that talks about video games.
You've ruined my day, sir.
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
Moral of the story is: dont talk about your companies secret projects in front of an audience.
travisbickle
Member
Yeah, Adam Orth as a representative of Microsoft 1. Responded to rumour and speculation 2. made disparaging remarks to customers of MS products.
It's not difficult to not do those things as an employee, and it's not anyone else's fault if you do.
lastflowers
Banned
Basically all I get out of this is that:
a) A dude working for Microsoft in the business group that is releasing a super secret project made some shitty analogies in a joking manner on a topic that was heavily connected with the super secret project.
b) some people at neogaf thought he was important, looked at his bad jokes/comments on the future of tech and jumped to some conclusions. The conclusions themselves seemed convincing given rumors.
c) "uh oh, the dude thought. I dun goofed"
d) gaming press gets a hold
e) dude fired.
Moral of the story. Don't talk about anything that has even a hint of any connection with your company, whether you know anything or don't. Don't joke, ever. Especially don't make shitty jokes and exaggerations--because not everyone attempts to get the whole story and look at situations with different lenses about a situation. Doubly especially don't actually voice opinions that piss off a lot of people.
I blame both sides, and I think the situation ended up as it probably should have. Although, funny enough, MS might have ended in a better situation because of it (if the new 'leaks' are true. Maybe some people here actually feel like they accomplished something, and should pat themselves on the back).
a) A dude working for Microsoft in the business group that is releasing a super secret project made some shitty analogies in a joking manner on a topic that was heavily connected with the super secret project.
b) some people at neogaf thought he was important, looked at his bad jokes/comments on the future of tech and jumped to some conclusions. The conclusions themselves seemed convincing given rumors.
c) "uh oh, the dude thought. I dun goofed"
d) gaming press gets a hold
e) dude fired.
Moral of the story. Don't talk about anything that has even a hint of any connection with your company, whether you know anything or don't. Don't joke, ever. Especially don't make shitty jokes and exaggerations--because not everyone attempts to get the whole story and look at situations with different lenses about a situation. Doubly especially don't actually voice opinions that piss off a lot of people.
I blame both sides, and I think the situation ended up as it probably should have. Although, funny enough, MS might have ended in a better situation because of it (if the new 'leaks' are true. Maybe some people here actually feel like they accomplished something, and should pat themselves on the back).
No it couldn't have gone either way. It was the perfect storm of bad PR for Microsoft; confirming negative news during a period of radio silence in the run up to a multi billion dollar product launch and insulting potential/existing customers will and should get you fired.
Wow, someone's really bitter at shinobi.
I for one, am glad shinobi posted the thread. People whining about Internet mob, can go cry a river.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
The internet didn't get Sweet Billy fired.
Sweet Billy posting damaging info about his employer on the internet got him fired.
Just because Gies is paid to be a misinformed jerk on Twitter doens't mean everyone can get away with it.
Starbuck2907
Member
"Microsoft does not comment on rumors and speculation." -- How can you work in the Xbox division and not have those words etched into your brain? ...that's begging to be made into a meme.