I really don't think we'll ever see AAI2. If Capcom can't even spare enough money for a proper AA5 localization, there's no way they'll go back to a three year old unpopular spinoff.
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Capcom: Ace Attorney: Dual Destinies hitting the West [Digital Only Confirmed]
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hosannainexcelsis
Member
No, you're not.
chickdigger802
Banned
Honestly they were all pretty much interchangeable genki girls to me.
ProtomanNeo
Member
Too many pages to comb through. Anyone mind telling me what exactly is the popular reason for why so many are opposed to digital purchases?
I don't think so, I'm thinking $35 or $30 is probably what they are planning to release it at. This is of course just an assumption from the few things we know about the western release.
I agree. Hopefully Athena doesn't give us more of the same.
I think it's more because the Nintendo digital purchases system is terrible. Most people are absolutely fine with the other platforms and Steam.
Snapshot King
Member
The 3ds eshop has no account system and ties your purchases to the device instead of a global account, meaning in the case of loss or damage of your system, your digitally purchased games are similarly gone because Nintendo has their heads up their asses.
In addition, if you take the game off your memory stick and then try and redownload it later, you lose your save files.
People fucking hate the 3ds eshop and with good reason and despise having to buy this game through it.
After 5 games of genki girl partners, it's getting a bit tiresome. I really appreciated the change of pace when you had someone like Pearl or Franziska as your partner.
Soyongdori
Member
Meaning the fan-translate wont be repleased probably 10-20 years from now on.
Just look at how long it took fans to translate Policenauts.
Well, that's the big serious issue, but fans of games like this tend to prefer getting their games physically, especially with nice packages, so being unable to do that also sucks. Not nearly as much as the lame ownership system though.
I bought FE for that price on eshop, no complaints here.
chickdigger802
Banned
we need a genki protag and and moeblob sidekick clearly.
The otaku bait knock-off, clearly.
So how many of you not buying the digital release due to Nintendo's crappy account system will be fine with buying the game on IOS? If the AA Trilogy does well on IOS and AA5 fails on the eShop, I can see Capcom going that route instead for new entries in the west (if at all).
Nope, not acceptable for me. I have no iOS devices, and don't plan on getting any in the near (2-4 years) future. It is likely I am buying AA5 though.
Zoramon089
Banned
Yeah I don't think that seems likely...
Save 'N Quit
Banned
Honestly? Probably not.
But no matter what the situation a game is in, I just will not purchase it unless Nintendo gets their shit together and fixes the 3DS digital system problem.
And if I come across like an ass I do apologize, but this is still my personal opinion.
charlequin
Banned
Sigh, Capcom. Sigh.
Literally my first reaction was "if you have to make this a digital-only release, why not release it on a platform that isn't fucking worthless like iOS?"
My second was... gosh, this almost certainly means no Layton v. Wright, doesn't it. >:-|
Nah. The series decline on Ace Attorney in the West was pretty mild and every entry sold better than, say, the lion's share of text-heavy niche JRPGs that still somehow come out over here. I'm pretty skeptical that real financial reasons (as opposed to interbranch politics and unrealistic cross-region expectations) are the ultimate problem here.
Literally my first reaction was "if you have to make this a digital-only release, why not release it on a platform that isn't fucking worthless like iOS?"
My second was... gosh, this almost certainly means no Layton v. Wright, doesn't it. >:-|
Nah. The series decline on Ace Attorney in the West was pretty mild and every entry sold better than, say, the lion's share of text-heavy niche JRPGs that still somehow come out over here. I'm pretty skeptical that real financial reasons (as opposed to interbranch politics and unrealistic cross-region expectations) are the ultimate problem here.
I've pointed out Level 5 published that, so that's in a weird position I think. It'll be a lengthy game to localize so I'll wait to see what happens with news from them by E3 or at least the end of the year.
Yeah, it really does seem like why SE skipped on publishing DQ games and less like why Bionic Commando 2009 will never see a resolution to its cliffhanger: Capcom just wants a better return than is realistic, but since they're not exactly EA big it's kinda dumb to have those expectations. Especially as they could probably have done a modest print run that'd be ENOUGH to profit, then tell people to go buy digitally if they still wanted it after it ran out.
EDIT: And to be honest, I think of all games that have gone digital-only outside of Japan this IS the one most likely to have courses change due to backlash. Atelier Totori was never going to sell super hot, Unchained Blades wasn't a big deal really, and Guild 01 were practically misplaced DD games to begin with.
Chie Satonaka
Member
If Capcom did, say, 50-100k in the box, they would be sold out via preorder before the game was even released.
There's really no excuse for this. I guess we should be thankful that it's even coming here at all, but I'm not pleased.
The Fire Emblem Awakening strategy would've been a decent compromise. Conservative first print that would still sell and result in a decent profit, while still pushing digital content for those who want to.
It depends though on what simulations they exactly did and what their pricing strategy will be. If they actually think they can reach a bigger customer base at a lower price point while still retaining the fans, it wouldn't be a bad business move.
Still sucks for us but I tend to be more forgiving for smaller games like these.
Awful Falafel
Banned
After mourning the loss of Valkyria chronicles 3, Yakuza Kenzan, and AAI2 I'm just thrilled to get any sequel localized, digital only or not. Supporting the series takes priority over protesting nintendo's digital scheme. Who knows, a release of AAI2 could come of this!
Don't crush my starry dreams neogaf/capcom, please don't T_T
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Suprised it's this early, but digital only is horrible. Why Capcom? I absolutely hate downloading games, every aspect of it and if I don't review it I'm notsure if I will buy it, although it's one of my most anticipated games and I'd pay 60 for it as a retail game.
I have all the Ace Attorney games.. all the cartridges. I'm a game player and collector. I like to lend my games out to introduce series to friends, I like to replay my games again later, I also like to bring my games back & forth to work, camp, friends, etc..
For me I need physical releases. I really want this title but I will not buy is Digital. I need a cartridge. When Fire Emblem came out it took me 10 weeks to find a cartridge and I'm glad I waited to find one. I expect with enough pressure that there will be a cartridge release since most of the fans of the series were on NDS.
Release a cartridge Capcom. I'll even buy directly from you or from Nintendo. Don't neglect the fanbase that built the series up over the years.
Yeah, they may feel they'd get more out of a $30 eShop game than a $40 retail game, and given what the game actually IS that's a more comfortable price point as you'd be contrasting it with a hardcover book. It really does seem like this is probably a situation more about maximizing profit and perhaps better opportunity cost rather than straight up being a loss period if published and sent to retail. And as noted there may well have been issues with retailers for some reason where they ultimately went "screw this we're going DD only"... though hopefully it wasn't something like "Walmart sells this or we're not bothering."
Infernal Monkey
Member
eShop only? Eh, gross. Will probably get if they price it sensibly.
Not to mention the collection looks weird already knowing AAI2 is out there, just not in English like my other Ace Attorney games.
I don't understand the obession with physical copies of games.. I feel the same way about movies and music too.
Having all your games accessible without having to find and change carts is great. Don't have to worry about losing or having them stolen and you don't amass more useless plastic.
Having all your games accessible without having to find and change carts is great. Don't have to worry about losing or having them stolen and you don't amass more useless plastic.
Chie Satonaka
Member
edgardavids
Member
There's also an issue with movies that for the most part digital versions don't have the extras like multiple voicetracks/subtitles or other bonus features, but I find at least voice tracks to be more an issue with anime. Haven't been following if iTunes has good subtitle support or not, but in general it's pathetically barebones given the opportunities digital distribution should still permit.
There's also something to be said for a nice package, especially for games where the difference between digital and physical delivery is generally the least significant given games are all programs to be run through a machine either way and by proxy have the same exclusivity, whereas you can argue for more freedom with other forms of media, especially books which don't even NEED electricity to be enjoyed, just literacy. Which is also why the minimizing of manuals and other physical goods is such a sticking point with a lot of people, as it ignores where physical packages can actually excel at versus digital as a digital CE is VERY different from a physical CE.
Chie Satonaka
Member
I think I'm gonna replay AAI tonight and then cry because Capcom hates me.
If I could not buy this, I would, but I'm not even going to pretend I won't be there day one.
I won't cry, but seriously, go to hell, Capcom.
If I could not buy this, I would, but I'm not even going to pretend I won't be there day one.
Femmeworth
Banned
mightynine
Member
My OG DS died ages ago, finally replaced it with a 3DSXL a few months ago, and I've been going through my DS games to see where they were. Wright was still on this case.
Amusingly enough when I checked TV Tropes to make sure the phrase meant what I thought it did, Maya, Kay, and Trucy were the first three examples listed under video games. But yeah, my issue isn't that they're too upbeat and energetic, but that they're all fairly similar.
Femmeworth
Banned
I saw that, but they don't even fit the description on the page. (I don't know about Kay.)
Yeah, but a lot of other characters I recognize in the examples don't really either. Maybe they had extreme examples of gag characters from comedy anime in mind when they wrote the description? I guess the name doesn't really matter, I'd just like to see something other than that kind of goofy, upbeat, energetic personality. Not a huge deal though.
StreetsAhead
Member
12 months ago people thought it was a great idea to bring niche titles over to the West on the eshop to limit risk to publishers.
I guess they weren't expecting it to be with a series that they liked.
EDIT: With Miiverse coming to the system sometime before the end of the year, unless they are more stupid than I give them credit for, the account should be the same as the Wii U one. No?
I guess they weren't expecting it to be with a series that they liked.
EDIT: With Miiverse coming to the system sometime before the end of the year, unless they are more stupid than I give them credit for, the account should be the same as the Wii U one. No?
I think it's more they didn't expect it to happen to a relatively significant series like this. It's less like Atlus bringing over that late Atelier-esque DS game as an eShop title and more like bringing SMTIV over as an eShop title. Or at least Etrian Odyssey.
Well AA5 was never in danger of not being brought over and the prior entries was always a boxed release. We even have the impression that AA series was more popular than Capcom expected in the west. So I get why people are upset.
But being angry at the point of absolutely not buying digital is kind of excessive.
AA5 was never in danger of being brought over? Really?
At this point about anything's in danger.
Buuut AA5 had shed a lot of the factors that likely kept AAI2 from coming here and probably caused the other titles to under perform some (on a new console not laden with piracy, not a spin-off, staring Phoenix Wright once again), and it was even immediately announced for US release so we just kinda figured Capcom would bother with a physical release.
And yeah, the more I think about it we mainly want DD as a way to get games that were either clearly doing very poorly as physical or simply had no presence at all, the former being of dubious applicability to Ace Attorney and the latter absolutely not the case.
So a downloadable version of AA5 would be acceptable if it was $7.99?
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
If I was interested in Crimson Shroud, I'd have complained all day, too. Digital is not acceptable and really never is. I can understand it if the game is by a reaally small studio which can't afford even a small limited edition physical release, but this is Capcom. They could just offer the game as a physical copy in a small quantity as an expensive limited edition and go digital only otherwise and I would not shed a tear. As it is, I'm really enraged.
@FluxWaveZ: No.
Beer Monkey
Member
The native resolution is DS not 3DS.
Do you do a shitty scaling job and release it as a native 3DS title but with no 3D?
The game doesn't fit. It will never, ever be released here no matter how other franchise titles succeed as DD-only.