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[Box of Bunnies]

So a downloadable version of AA5 would be acceptable if it was $7.99?

Being that my issue with AA5 going download only is entirely up to the fact that I don't want to pay $50-70 for digital games, yes, it would be entirely acceptable at $7.99. Even $30 would be neato. But considering that Resident Evil Revelaitons, even after its stint at retail, is $40 on the eShop I don't see them getting anywhere near that price for me.

 

[campfireweekend]

Being that my issue with AA5 going download only is entirely up to the fact that I don't want to pay $50-70 for digital games, yes, it would be entirely acceptable at $7.99. Even $30 would be neato. But considering that Resident Evil Revelaitons, even after its stint at retail, is $40 on the eShop I don't see them getting anywhere near that price for me.

Where do you live? In the US, Revelations is $20.

 

[WrenchNinja]

So a downloadable version of AA5 would be acceptable if it was $7.99?

Better than me paying $80 for two copies. Still a physical release would be better.

 

[wrowa]

If I was interested in Crimson Shroud, I'd have complained all day, too. Digital is not acceptable and really never is. I can understand it if the game is by a reaally small studio which can't afford even a small limited edition physical release, but this is Capcom. They could just offer the game as a physical copy in a small quantity as an expensive limited edition and go digital only otherwise and I would not shed a tear. As it is, I'm really enraged.

@FluxWaveZ: No.

Why exactly is digital "really never" acceptable?

 

[Box of Bunnies]

Where do you live? In the US, Revelations is $20.

Maybe the $50-70 expectation for Ace Attorney 5 could've clued you in to the fact that US prices are irrelevant to me, but I'm from Australia.

Also I just checked the eShop again, my bad. Revelations isn't $40, it's $50.

 

[Lagunamov]

Digital Only? I'm sorry Mr.Wright, I will not pay for your services.

 

[Lusankya]

Being that my issue with AA5 going download only is entirely up to the fact that I don't want to pay $50-70 for digital games, yes, it would be entirely acceptable at $7.99. Even $30 would be neato. But considering that Resident Evil Revelaitons, even after its stint at retail, is $40 on the eShop I don't see them getting anywhere near that price for me.

Where are you getting these ridiculous $50-70 prices? Everything Sven said hints at a lower than usual ($40) price, so most likely $29.99.

Edit: Oh, you're one of the poor Australians. I'm sorry.

 

[campfireweekend]

Maybe the $50-70 expectation for Ace Attorney 5 could've clued you in to the fact that US prices are irrelevant to me, but I'm from Australia.

Also I just checked the eShop again, my bad. Revelations isn't $40, it's $50.

Why so hostile? I was honestly just asking because I wanted to know which region had it so irredeemably bad. My condolences

 

[Yoshi]

Why exactly is digital "really never" acceptable?

1. For collection reasons
2. If my 3DS breaks or gets lost or something I can't play the downloaded game anymore
3. This is not exclusive to Nintendo's system, good luck trying to transfer you 360 account to a new console in 15 years.
4. I can't borrow the game to friends / my girlfriend, without giving away the console, too.
4a. If I have two games on my 3DS, one I want to play and one my girlfriend wants to play we're out of luck, while I could just give her my physical copy and play my other physical copy on my 3DS.
5. I need additional products to save the games on which cost money themselfes
6. Buying intangible goods feels wrong for me. I have never bought anything purely virtual if I had to pay money for it.

 

[Lusankya]

1. For collection reasons
2. If my 3DS breaks or gets lost or something I can't play the downloaded game anymore
3. This is not exclusive to Nintendo's system, good luck trying to transfer you 360 account to a new console in 15 years.
4. I can't borrow the game to friends / my girlfriend, without giving away the console, too.
4a. If I have two games on my 3DS, one I want to play and one my girlfriend wants to play we're out of luck, while I could just give her my physical copy and play my other physical copy on my 3DS.
5. I need additional products to save the games on which cost money themselfes
6. Buying intangible goods feels wrong for me. I have never bought anything purely virtual if I had to pay money for it.

1. Personal preference, not a universal reason. That's like saying: "It's unacceptable to produce black cars, because I only like them blue."
2. Technically even Nintendo has solutions for these problems, but in general it's not a problem for Digital Downloads.
3. Good luck trying to play SNES cartridges on your Wii? I don't get your point here.
4. and 4a. You can, when DD is done right and you have an account system. E.g. there is no problem with Steam or PSN games.
5. Usually it's a very good idea to own these products anyway and they're cheap.
6. Again, personal preference. Actually there is a bigger chance that discs or cartridges won't work or get lost than that the same thing will happen to DDs.

 

[Box of Bunnies]

Why so hostile?

Because I make a post like my previous one and get responses like Lusankya's "<x>? Where are you getting that nonsense from? <y> is <z> in America!" as if I was just pulling shit from nowhere when it should be obvious from the range I'm using that I'm not talking about American prices.

Apologies to yourself and Lusankya, I probably flew off a bit. It just gets frustrating sometimes dealing with ignorant US-centric responses like Lusankya's when the slightest consideration of a post should make it obvious that, despite the fact that we both use dollars, we aren't using the same reference points.

That was a little hostile too. Sorry again.

Since we're on the subject, though: I wouldn't mind paying $50-$70 for a physical copy of Ace Attorney 5. I simply don't value digital games that highly.

 

[Lusankya]

I am sorry as well and I am actually German and not a US citizen.

Anyway in relation to the normal price it should be cheaper, so even in Australia it should be cheaper than your normal price.

 

[Nosgoroth]

 

[Yoshi]

1. Personal preference, not a universal reason. That's like saying: "It's unacceptable to produce black cars, because I only like them blue."
2. Technically even Nintendo has solutions for these problems, but in general it's not a problem for Digital Downloads.
3. Good luck trying to play SNES cartridges on your Wii? I don't get your point here.
4. and 4a. You can, when DD is done right and you have an account system. E.g. there is no problem with Steam or PSN games.
5. Usually it's a very good idea to own these products anyway and they're cheap.
6. Again, personal preference. Actually there is a bigger chance that discs or cartridges won't work or get lost than that the same thing will happen to DDs.

1. It's my personal opinion, do I have to state that explicitly for everything I post on NeoGAF?
2. Nintendo has a solution for that problem, but only as long as they wish to grant me the opportunity to use that solution it is a solution
3. If my SNES breaks I can still buy another one and play my games on that one, I'm not talking about playing my 3DS games on a Nintendo DS 3 or a Nintendo DS 4. It's really just that I cannot (realistically) replace a console with a lot of dl games and get all the games back.
4 & 4a: As long as the services are running and possibly with added inconveniencies.
5. I don't need these products for anything else (besides one flash drive for work)
6. Again, see 1. The alternative to download games on 3DS are flash cards which definitely don't have a worse longevity than all the options I have to save download games. Regarding discs: Of course they can break on their own but I take a lot of care for my games, so this is quite uncommon. My consoles however, especially my handhelds, I need to use to play my games and they can break over that. My DS Lite for example is broken (hinges) and my DS before that was so scratched that I could not use it anymore.

 

[campfireweekend]

Because I make a post like my previous one and get responses like Lusankya's "<x>? Where are you getting that nonsense from? <y> is <z> in America!" as if I was just pulling shit from nowhere when it should be obvious from the range I'm using that I'm not talking about American prices.

Apologies to yourself and Lusankya, I probably flew off a bit. It just gets frustrating sometimes dealing with ignorant US-centric responses like Lusankya's when the slightest consideration of a post should make it obvious that, despite the fact that we both use dollars, we aren't using the same reference points.

That was a little hostile too. Sorry again.

Since we're on the subject, though: I wouldn't mind paying $50-$70 for a physical copy of Ace Attorney 5. I simply don't value digital games that highly.

It's cool. I can understand how the US centric view that is espoused often on these forums can get to a person. I wasn't trying to call you out or anything though. Like I said, I really just wanted to know where the price was that outrageous.

 

[electroplankton]

Can someone ask on Capcom's forum whether this game will be Multi-5 in Europe? Given the release date, I'd say no, and that'd be quite a bad news since it's only digital (they'd sell even less).

 

[Sloane]

Buuut AA5 had shed a lot of the factors that likely kept AAI2 from coming here and probably caused the other titles to under perform some (on a new console not laden with piracy, not a spin-off, staring Phoenix Wright once again), and it was even immediately announced for US release so we just kinda figured Capcom would bother with a physical release.

Yup, piracy was probably the main reason for AAI2 not being release on the DS anymore.

Can someone ask on Capcom's forum whether this game will be Multi-5 in Europe? Given the release date, I'd say no, and that'd be quite a bad news since it's only digital (they'd sell even less).

lol, true -- I didn't even think of that.

 

[Mr. RHC]

Is the 3DS e-shop so terrible?

I don't understand the low price argument for digitial only. The series is not exactly printing money, they had to sell a lot more copies if they set the price too low.

The game deserves every buck for the bang.

 

[Lusankya]

1. It's my personal opinion, do I have to state that explicitly for everything I post on NeoGAF?
2. Nintendo has a solution for that problem, but only as long as they wish to grant me the opportunity to use that solution it is a solution
3. If my SNES breaks I can still buy another one and play my games on that one, I'm not talking about playing my 3DS games on a Nintendo DS 3 or a Nintendo DS 4. It's really just that I cannot (realistically) replace a console with a lot of dl games and get all the games back.
4 & 4a: As long as the services are running and possibly with added inconveniencies.
5. I don't need these products for anything else (besides one flash drive for work)
6. Again, see 1. The alternative to download games on 3DS are flash cards which definitely don't have a worse longevity than all the options I have to save download games. Regarding discs: Of course they can break on their own but I take a lot of care for my games, so this is quite uncommon. My consoles however, especially my handhelds, I need to use to play my games and they can break over that. My DS Lite for example is broken (hinges) and my DS before that was so scratched that I could not use it anymore.

1. You don't have to state it, but it has nothing to do with Why exactly is digital "really never" acceptable? and is pointless in the discussion.
2. But again, Nintendo's problem is not a general problem of DDs.
3. Of course you can replace it. If my PS3 will ever break I buy a new one, hook up my external hard drive and play the games. It's also likely I can just redownload all my games anyway.
4. No added inconveniencies and with offline mode the service doesn't even need to run (although it's likely they will for a long time).
5. You don't ever use an external hard drive? Okay, but don't blame me when you lose your (not game related) data. Anyway, they're still very cheap and considering that buying digital games is usually cheaper than buying retail games I don't see a huge problem here.
6. See the answer of 2.


If DD is done right (and Nintendo is currently the only noteworthy offender here) there are hardly any real drawbacks compared to retail releases.

So it's really all down to personal preferences, e.g. the urge to physically own something or the joy to put boxes into your room vs the convenience of not having to change discs/cartridges or not having to wait for the shipping of the game.

Of course it's still the best to offer the customer both options, but that's not always possible or a profitable option. Also DDs are not the reincarnated Devil.

 

[Pyccko]

I... I know I should be happy, but... Darn it Capcpom.
Same exact feeling I had when Bayo 2 was announced, haha.

Well shit, at least I'm gonna be able to play this one. Yeah. YEAH! HECK YEAH, AA5 WOOOO! OKAY, I'm alright now.

 

[WrenchNinja]

Anyway, they're still very cheap and considering that buying digital games is usually cheaper than buying retail games I don't see a huge problem here.

If we were talking exclusively PC, then that might be true.

 

[Detox]

Box of bunnies I think you can change your eshop region to UK or EU to get cheaper prices. It's worth researching.

 

[Lusankya]

If we were talking exclusively PC, then that might be true.

Or when you're European and you can buy stuff on the US PSN.
I still think the PSN is on the right track here with PS+ and quite the amount of discounts.

And it's hard for me to see how it is a torture for someone to buy an external hard drive. It's not expensive and you can use it for more things than just one console. So is this really a reason why digital is "really never" acceptable?

 

[WrenchNinja]

Or when you're European and you can buy stuff on the US PSN.
I still think the PSN is on the right track here with PS+ and quite the amount of discounts.

And it's hard for me to see how it is a torture for someone to buy an external hard drive. It's not expensive and you can use it for more things than just one console. So is this really a reason why digital is "really never" acceptable?

Hadnt considered that. Definite advantage to a device that isnt largely region locked.

You cant run anything off an external harddrive for a PS3 and using a external drive for a Wii U locks it down for only use for the Wii U unless you reformat.

 

[Lusankya]

You cant run anything off an external harddrive for a PS3 and using a external drive for a Wii U locks it down for only use for the Wii U unless you reformat.

But you can run it after you copied it to the PS3, right? Why else would you use the backup function? I mean that's how I do it with my Vita every time I change my region (luckily not that often).

And Nintendo again... :| Seriously they should ask Sony or Valve how to do DD.

 

[Eusis]

Is the 3DS e-shop so terrible?

I don't understand the low price argument for digitial only. The series is not exactly printing money, they had to sell a lot more copies if they set the price too low.

The game deserves every buck for the bang.

Well, I'm fairly confident a $30 game would bring in more if it sold the same as if it were a $40 retail title. I'd be amazed if they actually went below $30 outside of sales though, but I really do expect $30 to be the minimum it'll debut at.

 

[Shoyz]

$10 off is at least a fair digital discount but I'll still happily wait for a sale on top of it, unless Nintendo gets an account system by then.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

Is the 3DS e-shop so terrible?

I don't understand the low price argument for digitial only. The series is not exactly printing money, they had to sell a lot more copies if they set the price too low.

The game deserves every buck for the bang.

No licensing costs, no distribution costs and a bunch of other costs they can cut. Is only fair too that we're dropping the right to own the game so the price should be lower too.

 

[Xater]

Digital only? Fuck that! I like Phoenix Wright but I don#t buy full games because of their lack of a real account based system. probably gonna want full price as well.

 

[Yoshi]

1. You don't have to state it, but it has nothing to do with Why exactly is digital "really never" acceptable? and is pointless in the discussion.
2. But again, Nintendo's problem is not a general problem of DDs.
3. Of course you can replace it. If my PS3 will ever break I buy a new one, hook up my external hard drive and play the games. It's also likely I can just redownload all my games anyway.
4. No added inconveniencies and with offline mode the service doesn't even need to run (although it's likely they will for a long time).
5. You don't ever use an external hard drive? Okay, but don't blame me when you lose your (not game related) data. Anyway, they're still very cheap and considering that buying digital games is usually cheaper than buying retail games I don't see a huge problem here.
6. See the answer of 2.

1. The original statement was my opinion that it never is acceptable, so it is not pointless.
2. It is, because it's the same for the solutions MS and Sony offer, just that they are more convenient to use at the moment.
3. If your PS3 breaks and the PSN service for PS3 was discontinued, good luck with that.
4. They do need to run, because how to I dl the game on another console when the services are discontinued? I need to authenticate at least before I download the games, so this problem persists.
5. I can safe my data on two notebooks and a flashdrive, on top of online options. I don't think that's not safe.

 

[Jaded Alyx]

Looking back, the amount of money I saved since going fully digital is obscene.

That said, less options is a bad thing.

 

[M3d10n]

Wow at the meltdowns. You people need to wake up to reality: the best selling 3rd party 3DS game in America is fucking Angry Birds, at something over 500k and it's a steep downhill from there. Even if Capcom gets only 1/4th of the sales going digital versus going physical, they still make more money by not having to pay in advance for thousands copies that'll never be sold.

Maybe if this somehow sells a lot on the eShop they end up making an expensive collectors physical edition to gouge people out.

1. The original statement was my opinion that it never is acceptable, so it is not pointless.
2. It is, because it's the same for the solutions MS and Sony offer, just that they are more convenient to use at the moment.
3. If your PS3 breaks and the PSN service for PS3 was discontinued, good luck with that.
4. They do need to run, because how to I dl the game on another console when the services are discontinued? I need to authenticate at least before I download the games, so this problem persists.
5. I can safe my data on two notebooks and a flashdrive, on top of online options. I don't think that's not safe.

So unless you can play a game forever.... You'd rather never play it?

 

[Jaded Alyx]

Wow at the meltdowns. You people need to wake up to reality: the best selling 3rd party 3DS game in America is fucking Angry Birds, at something over 500k and it's a steep downhill from there. Even if Capcom gets only 1/4th of the sales going digital versus going physical, they still make more money by not having to pay in advance for thousands copies that'll never be sold.

Maybe if this somehow sells a lot on the eShop they end up making an expensive collectors physical edition to gouge people out.


So unless you can play a game forever.... You'd rather never play it?

What's the second best selling?

 

[tha_devil]

Anyone know what the minimum print order for 3ds games is? It would be nice if they ordered a batch to sell exclusively at capcom store or something.

 

[Einbroch]

Digital only means no GameFly means pass. Oh well, never played an AA game before, guess I won't start now.

 

[chickdigger802]

Digital only means no GameFly means pass. Oh well, never played an AA game before, guess I won't start now.

You can always pick up the first one on gf!

 

[Yoshi]

So unless you can play a game forever.... You'd rather never play it?

Unless I can play it as long as I want (or until it breaks itself), I don't want to pay for it. I'm willing to spend more than double the amount of money for any game I buy if it is a physical copy than if it is a download. I will maybe (begrudgingly) buy it, but if it was a retail release I'd buy it day one at a premium.

 

[Thoraxes]

One thing I think is super interesting is that they must've had good eShop proliferation with their titles to make this digital only.

Sven said he aimed for an aggressive target, so to see it only on the eShop is kinda an interesting observation.

 

[hank_tree]

I would definitely prefer a physical copy but I'm still going to be all over this Day 1.

 

[ramparter]

So a downloadable version of AA5 would be acceptable if it was $7.99?

Yes? I would be OK even for 20€ (that's more than 25$) but no more.

 

[Octagon]

Heartbreak
If it is going to be 20€ or less i'd consider buying it digitally too. Knowing me, i'll rather get the japanese retail version though.

 

[Mpl90]

One thing I think is super interesting is that they must've had good eShop proliferation with their titles to make this digital only.

Sven said he aimed for an aggressive target, so to see it only on the eShop is kinda an interesting observation.

Ah, yeah, this is true.

@M3d10n: Actually, there have been several TP titles in US that did/are doing well, not just Angry Birds. And, as happened with GBA and DS, these titles are also selling over time (even if obviously not in the same way as on DS). The latest example? Monster Hunter 3U. But it's also true that, at the same time, there have been some titles flopping, with Castlevania as latest example.

 

[PAULINK]

Better to have a game digital only than no game at all.

 

[Bulzeeb]

Once it hits 10 euros like Mercs 3D.

10 in the e-shop? they have been doing some game discounts and sales but I can't see that happening.

anyways, can you guys recommend me a nice (and cheap) SD card and also, what is the meaning of the classes they have? and which is the best way to transfer the contents from my previous SD card to a new one? thanks

Ah, yeah, this is true.

@M3d10n: Actually, there have been several TP titles in US that did/are doing well, not just Angry Birds. And, as happened with GBA and DS, these titles are also selling over time (even if obviously not in the same way as on DS). The latest example? Monster Hunter 3U. But it's also true that, at the same time, there have been some titles flopping, with Castlevania as latest example.

Can't say I am surprised, I tried the demo and it bored me so much that it killed my interest on the game, some people keep telling me that the game is actually much better but I won't be taking any risk with it, well maybe if the game hits $20 - $15 USD

 

[ShockingAlberto]

I kind of wonder if Capcom will sell a game-less LE box like they did with Mega Man 9.

Basically what I am saying is I want that Nick statue.

 

[kayos90]

I kind of wonder if Capcom will sell a game-less LE box like they did with Mega Man 9.

Basically what I am saying is I want that Nick statue.

Probably best to save up money for dat import lol.

 

[Hasney]

I'm just hoping the Android Ace Attorney Trilogy HD comes out first to replay through before this. It'll be a quad-dip on the first game and a double on the rest. Not much other than Mr. Wright has commanded that from me.

Just a pity Apollo Justice isn't on that pack too.

 

[StevePharma]

I kind of wonder if Capcom will sell a game-less LE box like they did with Mega Man 9.

Basically what I am saying is I want that Nick statue.

The fact that there are no proper figures like the one Capcom is providing in Japan is a travesty upon itself.

I'll probably shell out way too much for Japanese version but I want that thing sooo bad.

 

[Octagon]

This thread reminded me: the ace attorney movie is out in germany next month. ^ ^

 

[Cody_D165]

I kind of wonder if Capcom will sell a game-less LE box like they did with Mega Man 9.

Basically what I am saying is I want that Nick statue.

dat statue...

Edit: Just read that the new Payne is named Gaspen Payne. Puns strong as ever, confirmed