Here's the thing though. If I go over to a friend's house, I can log into steam and download my games and play them on his PC. I can't do that with the XBone (I love that name).
Watching you try to defend this the whole thread has been the best thing I've seen on GAF in weeks. Please, keep going!They don't need to release games cheap digitally because games will always price collapse in retail. You'll still get cheap retail games.
.....didnt get a PS3...will get a PS4 though
Fuck off
Because otherwise the Harrison quote wouldn't make a lot of sense (he refers to friends and not not some stranger on Craigslist). But the whole thing is communicated horribly so I don't know for sure that's why I asked for confirmation.XBLA games on 360 are already account bound and not system bound. Why would games on the new Xbox suddenly become system bound?
Do you know that for sure?
And do you actually do that? Does anybody in the entire world go to someone's house, log in to their Steam account and download a PC game and then play it?
This part intrigues me, specifically because of the mention of Xbox live (instead of just "to play that game"). To me, this sort of implies that the game can be installed and played, just not played via Xbox Live or with any of the Xbox Live features.
Watching you try to defend this the whole thread has been the best thing I've seen on GAF in weeks. Please, keep going!
with no sales, no pc strengths, 100% closed and not upgradeable...
Yeah but if only one account could be online at the same time, that kind of limits its appeal....but then why do this?
I could go to my friend's place and simply connect his Xbox to my own account if he want to play my games..
10/10 A++ would read againWhat's to defend? if it offends people, then sure, don't buy it. As somebody who has been buying games digitally at full price for the best part of a decade and not trading them in, I don't see what there is to be offended by. If you're poor, maybe, I guess I see the issue. But just wait for the game to go on sale if you need trade in money to afford video games.
I think Xbox One looks like fucking shit, but mainly because they showed nothing interesting. Consoles becoming more like PCs however, I love. If they have good games, the fact I can't trade in video games after buying them is something I could not possibly care less about. Being able to tie games to an account more than makes up for it.
They don't need to release games cheap digitally because games will always price collapse in retail. You'll still get cheap retail games.
We do not know that yet.
This crap makes me wanna RAGE!
I hope Xbox One bombs to Wii-U level proportions!
Day One DLC, Micro-transactions, Season Passes & paid Online & now this!
Gamers don't support this crap.
with no sales, no pc strengths, 100% closed and not upgradeable...
Gamestop has already said they're happy about it. So something's going on with them. Some kind of agreement between them and MS. Maybe they have a finger in this theoretical 'online game trading' thing.GameStop ain't gonna be happy about this. Come to think about it, all retailers are gonna be pretty pissed at MS.
What's to defend? if it offends people, then sure, don't buy it. As somebody who has been buying games digitally at full price for the best part of a decade and not trading them in, I don't see what there is to be offended by. If you're poor, maybe, I guess I see the issue. But just wait for the game to go on sale if you need trade in money to afford video games.
I think Xbox One looks like fucking shit, but mainly because they showed nothing interesting. Consoles becoming more like PCs however, I love.
What's to defend? if it offends people, then sure, don't buy it. As somebody who has been buying games digitally at full price for the best part of a decade and not trading them in, I don't see what there is to be offended by. If you're poor, maybe, I guess I see the issue. But just wait for the game to go on sale if you need trade in money to afford video games.
I think Xbox One looks like fucking shit, but mainly because they showed nothing interesting. Consoles becoming more like PCs however, I love.
gamers DO support it , if you look at sales.
GAMERS , DON'T SUPPORT THIS CRAP.
ugh. that sounds so slimy and dismissive.
I'm not poor but I'm not going to support this type of shitty business model that takes away convenience and basic consumer rights for lending or renting games.
Just another thing to think about. You are better off buying the retail game now since DD prices won't drop as fast...They don't need to release games cheap digitally because games will always price collapse in retail. You'll still get cheap retail games.
GameStop ain't gonna be happy about this. Come to think about it, all retailers are gonna be pretty pissed at MS.
So according to the Kotaku Phil Harrison interview, they will have 2 ways of handling this. The first being giving the disc to a friend and him paying full price and both of your then can play the game.
The second being trading in your games online, and this will allow for a pre-owned games market. But it being online, I assume this cuts out Gamestop out of the equation, allowing MS to profit from used game sales?
So many questions left unanswered.
You could even go one step further, allowing any console to run a game without registration, so long as the disc is in the drive. This could lead to people installing games on one console and passing them along to friends who promise not to register the games, but at the same time it would be a saving grace if one's internet connection were to go down, or the registration servers.Isn't the solution pretty easy? If you're offline the system still checks for the disc in your console. If you're online it checks if you are the current owner of the game. So if you take the game to your friend you have to activate it - at that moment the license is revoked from your own gamertag. As long as you're offline it will stay activated but only work with the physical copy in your console.
Even if that's true, if I don't like the game I can't trade it away on services like 99 gamers or Goozex without the person having to pay for the game again. I bet the pricing model will be the same as Games on Demand.Why not? Have you never seen retail games on sale in a store?
ugh. that sounds so slimy and dismissive.
I'm not poor but I'm not going to support this type of shitty business model that takes away convenience and basic consumer rights for lending or renting games.
Why is this GIF perfect?
For some reason Steam gets a pass here.
Steam and the Xbox One couldn't be more different.
I'm "ultra-super rich"(lol, no) but I never buy any used games. Literally, I don't.
FUCK all of this non-sense though. You are a pretty big asshole to call people names over this stuff and a bigger asshole for defending it.
This is the problem. If MS is doing it there's a very good chance Sony is doing it. PC gaming is already DRM-ed up the ass. Even Steam, as convenient and nice as it is, still requires at least some online connection to access your games from time to time. Video gaming as it has traditionally been known may be over, except for maybe handhelds. And the WiiU.what are you going to do when every console supports this shitty, anti-consumer business model? stop playing games entirely?
what are you going to do when every console supports this shitty, anti-consumer business model? stop playing games entirely?
I've not called anybody names (assuming you're talking to me) and you just called me an asshole. Like, you've personally insulted me for having an opinion, and then also insulted me for insulting people inspite of the fact I've not insulted anybody. And Microsoft are the monsters?
Steam and the Xbox One couldn't be more different.
I never directed my post at anyone. As per not quoting one.
I hope those that do buy the system after price drops and games at low low prices.Why do i have this feeling that despite all the meltdown, most of the people in this thread will eventually buy one anyway?
This is what I hope will be the response. I never buy Steam games at full sale. The most I've ever spent on a PC game is $21.Wow cant believe they actually did this.
Only way I'll buy it is new games are like $10-$20.
I wonder if MS aims to become gamestop when it comes to used products.
Fantastic post. Thanks.Used games do the following:
- They allow people at a very low investment risk to branch away from their select few titles and try new games. This means that used games allow the consumer to become part of a market that was once too exclusive for them thus growing said market into a more stable brand for later titles.
- DLC still can be purchased on current gen used games. This means that instead of limiting a single physical copy of a game to just one person in potential DLC sales each title can be resold to the consumer market innumerable amounts of time to get more DLC sales per physical unit. In other words DLC lets publishers penetrate used games for sales more than new games. Used games account for 1/3rd of the business in the industry currently.
- A used market creates a resale market allowing consumers to sell back their old titles. The majority of games resold have been documented to go toward the purchase of NEW games and consoles. In other words the used market is helping the consumers to be able to afford to buy new games and hardware. Remove the resale market and many wont be able to afford new titles or systems.
By eliminating the used market through the methods Microsoft is trying to do they will likely cut down on some piracy and they will guarantee all profits go to them and the developer, but they will be MASSIVELY shrinking the size of their markets as most cannot afford to reside exclusively in the new game market's price point level.
What they have done is effectively ignore the law of large numbers in business. "More coming in than what is lost" is how insurance companies and bank's thrive. Microsoft has bottle necked their market so tightly that they have vastly reduced their market in favor of a near 100% revenue model. 100% of a much smaller market still isn't as good as allowing the HIGHLY profitable used market to continue on their console. 1/3rd of the profits in the industry are from the used market and its completely incalculable how much this will hurt them with consumers let alone developers in the long run.
Who ever came up with this business model was not only blind to resale business markets, but they were absolutely wreckless in ignoring the consumer's reaction to this topic this past year.
Plus if this was a way to attack piracy I'd say it will backfire. The more unattainable you make it for the consumer to receive something they want the more you popularize piracy and the more you empower pirates to find ways to steal and distribute your goods.
Gabe Newell gets that...apparently Microsoft doesn't.
Dark times ahead for both gamers and developers at this rate as the industry is about to lose some money.