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[p3tran]

its a pitty, but it seems microsoft fucked it up

 

[FoneBone]

Is MS so incompetent that they didnt imagine people would want answers to the stuff theyve been asking about all year?

It's truly mind-boggling.

 

[captmcblack]

But what if I can't connect to that profile? So I am just assed out, then? I would be unable to play my legitimate original retail disc on a different machine if I can't sign in?

 

[Deku Tree]

MS needs to learn how to send a consistent message. These people need talking points. So many MS people contradicting each other today.

 

[timlot]

Guess no more borrowing/trading games with friends and relatives.

 

[IonicSnake]

there is no fee to play that game while you are signed in to your profile.

That's the interesting part, what about when you're not signed in to your profile?

 

[GHG]

"Another piece of clarification around playing games at a friend’s house – should you choose to play your game at your friend’s house, there is no fee to play that game while you are signed in to your profile."

So just like the 360 then?

What is the issue here?

Its not the same...

 

[VanWinkle]

Eh that's not that bad. I assume you don't have to USE that account on the other system, right? I mean, I hope I just need to have my account on the other system and not be the actual one that's logged in at the time.

 

[Mauricio_Magus]

Microsoft can't fuck this up anymore... RIGHT?!?!

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

Still blocks used games.

Haha, that's not what he said at all

 

[A Human Becoming]

This is what I expected. Still doesn't change the fact I can't let my friend borrow games without him paying a fee/using my account.

 

[gofreak]

That last line basically is confirming the fee scenario, if passing a game to a friend or whatever.

PR wise this has been a mess. Someone needs to tell phil Harrison they're not divulging specifics yet...he's pretty much let the cat out of the bag.

 

[Terra Firma]

So you'd have to sell your profile every time you want to sell a video game? This is so unfeasible that you might as well be unable to play used games.

 

[Boke1879]

Notice he says there is no fee while you're signed on to YOUR profile.

While he says nothing has been confirmed. They are definitely exploring the options and ultimately there will be a fee.

This is such a clusterfuck though. No one has it together. You think they would have though. They pushed back their initial reveal. They should have been better prepared.

 

[SolidsnackooFoxhound]

STILL BLOCKS USED GAMES

 

[JABEE]

This is the same thing. Just a gentler spin and a touch of vagueness to create public confusion.

 

[farisr]

Hey, bro. You can borrow my XBOX ONE game Forza 5.

Cool, so what's your pass to your account so I can play it.

lol.

Yeah, so freaking stupid.

 

[Toki767]

So online IS required for playing games not on the system it was activated on?

 

[Alucrid]

"Another piece of clarification around playing games at a friend’s house – should you choose to play your game at your friend’s house, there is no fee to play that game while you are signed in to your profile."

So just like the 360 then?

What is the issue here?

but, my question is will there be issues with other accounts on my system? Do I have to pay a fee so that my son can play my game on my system but on his gamertag?

No. My friend can play a retail 360 regardless of the account.

Great vague statement though

 

[harSon]

Dude is in full damage control mode and spinning hard

Not really. The profile statement is pretty much the way the Xbox 360 currently works with XBLA games, and while a nuisance, it's not exactly the end of the world.

 

[AgentP]

Hey, bro. You can borrow my XBOX ONE game Forza 5.

Cool, so what's your pass to your account so I can play it.

lol.

My first thought. I lend my games to friends all the time, I'm not giving them my account info ever.

 

[Sheroking]

So just like the 360 then?

If I buy an used game or borrow a game, I can play it on my profile, no profile, my friends profile, etc.

If I buy an used Xbox One game, I have to download and sign-in to my profile on my friends One to let him play it. No way in hell they allow your profile to be used on multiple 360's at once. There's no way in hell I'm allowing my password and credit card information on a 360 that I don't supervise.

 

[Jea Song]

He did say you have to be "signed" into your profile. This means the purchase is connected to your account. This means in order to verify its connected to your account you must have an Internet connected.

But what if you want to let your friend borrow the game and he doesn't sign on your account, or simply doesn't have Internet?

 

[PapaJustify]

But they will probably limit the number of times you can log on to other Xboxes with your profile.

 

[Loudninja]

Read that wrong!

 

[ViewtifulJC]

...This is the same thing >_>

 

[MMaRsu]

 

[R3TRODYCE]

So basically Steam.

Yes.

 

[Y2Kev]

So still no lending or renting. All this does is solve the "what if I am physically at my bros house and we just want to bro my bro game" quandary.

 

[Totobeni]

e while you are signed in to your profile

playing on multiple systems using your profile is not "used games".

 

[lenovox1]

But what if I can't connect to that profile? So I am just assed out, then? I would be unable to play my legitimate original retail disc on a different machine if I can't sign in?

I guess you could pay the supposed fee?

 

[flyinpiranha]

If you take everything else from the equation yeah.

Yeah, as I mentioned in the other thread, the pricing is why I deal with the DRM that is Steam. While the 'behavior' is the same, the pricing does not help with this at all. I put up with Steam their validation because of the cheap games, I don't think MS or the publishers are going to have 70% off sales.

 

[Bgamer90]

This is basically how the current system works anyway. Want to play XBLA game on a different Xbox? Must be signed onto your XBL account.

Yeah, that's what I was about to say.

It sounds like XBLA.

If true then this doesn't sound that bad -- the ability to play games on another console is still there.


It's just the buying used games part that's iffy. One won't know the original game owner's profile. Guess that's where the fee comes in.

 

[Tamanon]

I have no idea how Microsoft does not have a unified message in place. They had ample time to prepare for their own feature set. It's not that tough to get talking points in order and memos drafted and sent to the correct people.

It's amateur hour out there, and that's kinda shocking.

 

[xxracerxx]

"Hey pal you want to borrow this awesome game I have? Here let me just sign into my profile so you can play, just let me know when you are signed in as me so I can make a sandwich or something since I can't use my own system."

 

[ProfessorMoran]

http://majornelson.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-and-used-games/

So your friend can play your game on his xbox one by using only your profile, thanks that's very assuring.

 

[Matt_]

I wonder if they will cut some deals with second hand game suppliers where they supply them with the codes for a price or something, that would still let the retailer get a cut and the developers

 

[Darryl]

"Another piece of clarification around playing games at a friend’s house – should you choose to play your game at your friend’s house, there is no fee to play that game while you are signed in to your profile."

So just like the 360 then?

What is the issue here?

but, my question is will there be issues with other accounts on my system? Do I have to pay a fee so that my son can play my game on my system but on his gamertag?

i assume that if you gave your disk to your friend there would still be problems unless you give him your password and stuff

 

[Izuna]

...

Isn't it just that you need the code to install the game so that you no longer need the disc, and if you don't have it (or offline) you have to play from the slow ass BluRay drive?

So in other words, Steam?

 

[Appleman]

Once game ownership is tied to an account than the game disc becomes... what? A speedier disc-based download for the game you still have to actually purchase online?

Why is it the questions we would so obviously have instantly are the ones they are going to be ready to answer later?

Yes. Just like Steamworks retail games. Incredibly convenient to be able to own the disc but never need it to play, and to be able to log in and see all of your games anywhere.

 

[Thorakai]

Bottom line: Microsoft just made something much harder than it has any right to be.

 

[matty2Dfraud]

Sony is the next to "fuck up" along with Microsoft. EA didn't just drop the online pass on all future titles because only one of the next gen systems was implementing it at the hardware level. PS4 is next. Have fun people.

 

[harSon]

No. My friend can play a retail 360 regardless of the account.

I'm constantly importing my profile onto friend's Xbox 360's when playing games like Madden and Fifa.

 

[sangreal]

I can't keep switching threads! Anyways, as suspected, this is the same system as XBLA. They've mentioned they'll have a license transfer mechanism that doesn't currently exist*, but haven't detailed it. Also, it's important to distinguish between quotes and other information when reading an article.

*There is a current system, but it isn't meant for transferring to other people.

 

[baekshi]

This is basically how the current system works anyway. Want to play XBLA game on a different Xbox? Must be signed onto your XBL account.

And yeah, still blocks used games

but they will limit how many consoles you can register your ID with....

it defeats the purpose in anyway, you would have to give personal information.

and have to be signed in with the account that game is registered with?

 

[heliosRAzi]

That's the interesting part, what about when you're not signed in to your profile?

You pay the full price, of course.

 

[Nokterian]

"...while you are signed into your profile."

Let enhance that shall we?

Glorious this is going to be such a trainwreck..or all ready is.

 

[pargonta]

That's the interesting part, what about when you're not signed in to your profile?

you do not own the game and have to buy the game, unfortunately.

 

[Plinko]

Now THIS is a misleading title.

 

[Dali]

Phil actually did discuss a specific scenario where you have to pay full price for a second hand game's activation, major. Keep backpedaling though and maybe you'll have people so confused they'll actually buy the console when it's released. Worked for the wii u.