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[Askherserenity]

Is this why COD looks like shit?

 

[Uno Venova]

Should have used their secret higher spec one kits that I heard so much about.

Interested to hear developer impressions.

 

[TheExodu5]

wat

Man, i just saw, and understand:
If DF is specifically saying that, then i'm going with that instead of doing math.

edit: title has been modded. Fine, whatever lets you sleep at night.

-------_______-------

 

[prwxv3]

Should have used their secret higher spec one kits that I heard so much about.

But the cloud computing.

 

[Takamura-San]

If the XBone has 10 GameCube GPUs, the PS4 has 15 GameCube GPUs.

Lots of duct tape is involved.

Thank you.

I wonder if this will a difference besides the quality of the first party titles.

 

[RPGCrazied]

Will this be a first that PS4 games look an run better than the xbox one does? Last generation the 360 pretty much ran all games better than the PS3.

 

[Nirolak]

wat

Man, i just saw, and understand:
If DF is specifically saying that, then i'm going with that instead of doing math.

edit: title has been modded. Fine, whatever lets you sleep at night.

...I feel we should really add a basic math/history/literacy test to the registration process.

 

[MoeB]

Damn EZE they tried to fade you on Dre Day.

But Dre Day only meant Eazy's payday

 

[fly high ~ayunite~]

but how many Gamecubes?

 

[2San]

wat

Man, i just saw, and understand:
If DF is specifically saying that, then i'm going with that instead of doing math.

edit: title has been modded. Fine, whatever lets you sleep at night.

The point is that both titles are correct and mean the same thing.

...I feel we should really add a basic math/history/literacy test to the registration process.

Neogaf would be a lot smaller then. A lot of those who are mathematically challenged are good people.

 

[itsgreen]

...I feel we should really add a basic math/history/literacy test to the registration process.

Haha

The point is that both titles are correct and mean the same thing.

No you can say two things:

One's raw GPU is 33% less powerful than PS4

or

PS4's raw GPU is 50% more powerful than One

what you can say is that One's GPU is 50% less powerful. It isn't correct.

 

[valkillmore]

But but TV. Kinect. NFL. Always on. Dogs. Fish move out of the way.

Only time will tell if the power difference matters at all. It matters a hell of a lot to me, to be sure. PS4 only for me initially, will re-evaluate One next year.

 

[zomgbbqftw]

Wow, with that power gap, MS is sure to release this console at $299!!!

And Sony will release theirs no higher than $399!!!


It's everyone's wish come true!


Too bad the real pricing for XBOX One will be $399.99 and PS4 will be $449.99.

Not even that, both will release at the same price point. As was pointed out in the article the silicon budget for both consoles is about the same and Sony just used their's more wisely on extra ROPs and CUs rather than eSRAM by betting on RAM densities increasing.

Plus one needs to take into account the cost of Kinect, with Kinect the cost of Xbone might actually be higher than that of PS4.

 

[Lagspike_exe]

wat

Man, i just saw, and understand:
If DF is specifically saying that, then i'm going with that instead of doing math.

edit: title has been modded. Fine, whatever lets you sleep at night.

Jesus.

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

wat

Man, i just saw, and understand:
If DF is specifically saying that, then i'm going with that instead of doing math.

edit: title has been modded. Fine, whatever lets you sleep at night.

Greatest post in internet history. Hands down. Creationist level bullshit right here. Fuck yo maths.

 

[Coolwhip]

I'd like one reason why a 'core' gamer would even consider an Xbox One over a PS4..

 

[prwxv3]

Will this be a first that PS4 games look an run better than the xbox one does? Last generation the 360 pretty much ran all games better than the PS3.

The problem with the ps3 was that is was notoriously hard to develop games for compared to 360. Now it seem like the PS4 not only more easier to dev with but is a bit more powerful. So it could happen. But anything could happen.

 

[TheExodu5]

Thank you.

I wonder if this will a difference besides the quality of the first party titles.

Considering the architectures are essentially the same, I would say it's likely. It will be up to developers to push better visuals, but they can probably make use of that extra power trivially (more anti-aliasing, better texture filtering, higher resolution).

 

[Ramblin]

So it'll have more power and should be easier to take advantage of...dang I really like xbox games and controller but I can't reward this direction with a full price purchase unless it's significantly cheaper.

 

[DragonSworne]

Xbox One is 2/3 as powerful as PS4.

In pie chart form:

That's a whole lot of missing pieces.

 

[itsgreen]

Greatest post in internet history. Hands down. Creationist level bullshit right here. Fuck yo maths.

Lol that's exactly what I just though.

Stephen Colbert Truthiness (tm)

I'm just saying, DigitalFoundry went to the trouble of doing a full analysis overnight and quote 50%. Nowhere in that article is there another figure, never mind 33%.

If someone wants to pull 33% out of their arse then thats fine, i was just quoting the actual article.

LOL

 

[pixlexic]

I'd like one reason why a 'core' gamer would even consider an Xbox One over a PS4..

Halo

 

[Askherserenity]

See, the Xbox One is a Pokemon. Its special ability is cloud computing. It'll evolve over time, collecting all these extra bits. The bits will eventually make all your games look truly next gen and will improve ai significantly. Make it hold it's special item, Kinect, to increase the gathering of the bits exponentially.

 

[MCD]

I'd like one reason why a 'core' gamer would even consider an Xbox One over a PS4..

15 exclusives.

 

[def sim]

Digital Foundry is a more trusted source than some... mathematics?

 

[Stumpokapow]

I'd like one reason why a 'core' gamer would even consider an Xbox One over a PS4..

This is sort of like saying "I'd like one reason why a 'core' gamer would even consider a PS3 over an Xbox 360" the day after the PS3's E3 2006 conference.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Reading through, the conclusion is pretty spot on:

Certainly in the short term (read: E3) Microsoft has to work really hard in winning back the core in the face of a reveal that seemed so out of touch with what the core audience wanted to see. On a higher strategic level, you can perhaps see the logic behind Microsoft's approach - there's the suggestion here that it's Apple and Google that are seen as the long-term competitors rather than Sony and Nintendo. Microsoft has seen that living room usage of their consoles has changed dramatically over the course of the current generation, that games are just a part of the overall mix, and that's absolutely fine - but it's difficult to reconcile this thinking with the complete omission of any live gameplay at a console reveal event. Of course, in the final analysis, the success of Xbox One won't be down to its specs or its TV integration. It'll be down to the games and in the face of the immediate challenge offered by PlayStation 4, Microsoft clearly has its work cut out.

Pretty clear the system was designed to a large degree with multimedia functionality in mind, and that had an impact on its potential as a games console. Sony went the other way and the differences are pretty stark. Still far too early to call how this plays out, but the different strategies are apparent.

 

[Ol No Bones]

is the wii u more powerful than the XB1 ?

Is the wii U more powerful than the xbox 360?

 

[BlazingDarkness]

It's like MS wrote a list of everything GAF wants in a console, and then created the opposite of that.

MS pls.

 

[TheExodu5]

I'm just saying, DigitalFoundry went to the trouble of doing a full analysis overnight and quote 50%. Nowhere in that article is there another figure, never mind 33%.

If someone wants to pull 33% out of their arse then thats fine, i was just quoting the actual article.

DF says "A is 50% bigger than B". That is not the same thing as "B is 50% smaller than A".

Is there something specific you're not understanding here?

 

[Coolwhip]

This is sort of like saying "I'd like one reason why a 'core' gamer would even consider a PS3 over an Xbox 360" the day after the PS3's E3 2006 conference.

Well has the PS3 ever been a device that's not aimed at gamers?

 

[Dead Prince]

Imagine the Xbox One has 100 power units and the PS4 has 150 power units.

The PS4 is 50% more powerful than the Xbox One. 150/100 = 1.5
The Xbox One is 33% less powerful than the PS4. 100/150 = 0.66

Do you understand?


Edit: OMG beaten at least three times.

Let's put the beating in % form.

 

[Plinko]

And yet, sadly, most third party games won't show any difference whatsoever.

 

[Bony Manifesto]

Not even that, both will release at the same price point. As was pointed out in the article the silicon budget for both consoles is about the same and Sony just used their's more wisely on extra ROPs and CUs rather than eSRAM by betting on RAM densities increasing.

Except I presume the cost of 8GB of GDDR5 RAM is higher than the cost of 8GB of DDR3 RAM.

This is sort of like saying "I'd like one reason why a 'core' gamer would even consider a PS3 over an Xbox 360" the day after the PS3's E3 2006 conference.

That might be a bad example, as the negative views of the PS3 amongst the core persisted long after that and long into the console's life.

 

[wrowa]

If the Xbox is cheaper than the PS4, this might actually be a rather clever move by MS. Multiplat games will necessarily be optimized for the weaker plattform of the two, so that most PS4 games will look pretty much the same as Xbox games despite the PlayStation having more power. Of course, the PS4 versions of multiplat games will likely have better IQ etc. but the differences will probably be small enough that most people don't care. If Microsoft launched its new console at $400 and Sony the PS4 at, say, $500 a lot of people might see a better deal in Microsoft's offering. Sony couldn't really make a counter move at the same time, if they didn't want to make losses with each console sold -- they are stuck with high-end hardware that's not being efficiently used by most games on the plattform.Of course, hardcore gamers who want the best possible graphics will be the ones who suffer from this situation the most.

But, well, we don't have to fear this anyway. Instead of making this move, the Xbox One will be as expensive as the PS4 thanks to the included Kinect.

 

[ekim]

I'm just saying, DigitalFoundry went to the trouble of doing a full analysis overnight and quote 50%. Nowhere in that article is there another figure, never mind 33%.

If someone wants to pull 33% out of their arse then thats fine, i was just quoting the actual article.

errm... okay. :lol

 

[shandy706]

I think people are overestimating the difference we'll see in the end products though.

This isn't going to create games that are light years different. It's like comparing a 660 Ti to a 670. The differences tech wise look/sound much better, but in the end are marginal...maybe a slight AA bump and small frame-rate advantage.

 

[cyberheater]

What about the secret sauce we've all heard so much about. Was that just plain bull?

 

[A La Recherche Du Temps Perdu]

Talkin about who you gon squabble with and who you shoot,
You're only 60 pounds when you're wet and wearin boots.

Yo E they tried to fade you on Dre Day, but Dre Day only made EZ's pay day.

 

[quest]

Thank you.

I wonder if this will a difference besides the quality of the first party titles.

Of course there will be as there will be almost no work to make them look better thanks to 2 more gigs of usable ram and a lot more GPU power. Especially if a PC port just use the ultra pack textures on the PS4 version and the mid level textures on the Xbox one. No extra work but huge difference visually.

 

[TheExodu5]

Let's try again:

XBOne has 12 CUs
PS4 has 18 CUs

PS4/XBOne = 18/12 = 150%
XBOne/PS4 = 12/18 = 66.6%

OP, do you understand? I will not be able to sleep tonight unless you understand.

 

[2San]

No you can say two things:

One's raw GPU is 33% less powerful than PS4

or

PS4's raw GPU is 50% more powerful than One

Well yeah those are 2 titles he quoted and I was referring to. >_>

 

[Ol No Bones]

I am interested if this cloud stuff is just rhetoric or if their might be something to this in the long run. I am curious if the system can truly evolve over time in substantial ways towards gaming experiences.

 

[Kazuma Kiryu]

I'm just saying, DigitalFoundry went to the trouble of doing a full analysis overnight and quote 50%. Nowhere in that article is there another figure, never mind 33%.

If someone wants to pull 33% out of their arse then thats fine, i was just quoting the actual article.

How can you not understand this simple issue?

 

[HazardBob]

This is sort of like saying "I'd like one reason why a 'core' gamer would even consider a PS3 over an Xbox 360" the day after the PS3's E3 2006 conference.

Anti consumer measures equal terrible pricing and arrogant presentation?

Ok.

 

[The_Lump]

Man, the 26 people who will be able to afford a ps4 at launch will sure be lording it over the XBox fans

Jokes aside, what do we reckon the price difference will be, if any, between the two?

Would you rather have:

- Excessive powah for more £/$
- Less powah for less £/$?

Bearing in mind the actual practical difference between the the projected TFLOPpage?

 

[Corky]

I'd like one reason why a 'core' gamer would even consider an Xbox One over a PS4..

I think I can speak for all the millions of 'core' gamers out there, not a single one of us will consider 1 over 4. So help me God, that would be a sin leading to me turning Chinner to foie gras.

 

[dragonelite]

It's like MS wrote a list of everything GAF wants in a console, and then created the opposite of that.

MS pls.

Xbox go home, you're drunk.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

I'm just saying, DigitalFoundry went to the trouble of doing a full analysis overnight and quote 50%. Nowhere in that article is there another figure, never mind 33%.

If someone wants to pull 33% out of their arse then thats fine, i was just quoting the actual article.

..........Wow.

Math = "pulling stuff out of their arse"

 

[Carpe Diem]

But Dre Day only meant Eazy's payday

All of a sudden Dr Dre is a G thing.......lol. back to topic. Ill song though.