SmokedMeat
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Considering what Gamestop usually gives for a new release game you'd probably be looking at about $25 tops, unless there's some special +50% promo going on.
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MCV: Retail sources talk used Xbox One games, £35 for used game in UK [U2: Eurogamer]
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Considering what Gamestop usually gives for a new release game you'd probably be looking at about $25 tops, unless there's some special +50% promo going on.
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Jotamide
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There's truly a defense force for everything.
Neuromancer
Member
I wish MS would just stuck to digital distribution at this point. It'd be so much more straightforward. These discs by themselves are going to be meaningless anyway.
Last Hearth
Member
Hey publishers, Gamestop is your FRIEND and PARTNER! They help sell your games. If you want to expand the industry and make more money you should be trying to get more people to buys games, not trying to cannibalize revenue stream from your partners. That's just going to hurt yourself in the long run. This is so shortsighted.
Gaming industry is committing suicide right in front of our eyes.
Gaming industry is committing suicide right in front of our eyes.
Saint Gregory
Member
I hope that this doesn't effectively kill bomba discount prices on games at retailers as well. It sounds like with the level of control MS will have that they could effectively lock game prices in place without fear of retailers forcing their own sales prices.
I think Sony already said that you don't need Online AT ALL to play on ps4 so by default it should not support this system.
Similarly, someone buying a used game might likely get DLC, whether that's an online pass or extra content, which I'm fine with. Win-win.
I assume you've never spent a bean on iOS/Android or Steam then?
It sucks, but I can't figure out why people are treating it as an act of satan when a much harsher DRM has been 100% accepted for years now..
No one really knows the implications of the ruling; anyone who claims to does not understand how ECJ operates and is only superficially familiar with the case. It's not clear how it should be interpreted and ECJ rulings are not precedents in the same way USC rulings are and do not bind lower courts in future cases.
Glorified G
Member
10% cut? Why would Gamestop even agree to this? It would be more advantageous for them to refuse to carry any x1 software and push wii u/ps4 games as much as possible.
Schnozberry
Member
If that. If Gamestop or other used retailers are getting cut into, trade values will probably decrease by whatever percentage of the used games cut is being taken by Microsoft and the publisher. Publishers have been whining about not getting a chunk of the second hand market for a while now, and this is Microsoft's play at getting themselves and publishers a cut of that market. The absolute shit part of it is that they are saying that not only do you not own the software that you are purchasing, but you don't own the license either, and any transfer of that license must be approved, and a fee must be paid to the original content creators for the privilege of transferring the license. It may be one of the most aggressive anti-consumer policies that we've seen from a game company to date.
They deserve ZERO on second sales of physical media and hardware sales. They already got their money from me when I bought it new. I should have the right to do what I want with the media I purchased. It basically is becoming double taxation. By thinking this way I assume you would be ok with giving Chevy a percentage of what you sell your car for too since you didn't design or build it. If this stuff is allowed to grow then you can expect a lot of other industries to follow suit.
In the end their profits will stay the same or fall. This effectively removes some consumers ability to buy from the picture. Also by not letting me lend games to friends or family that can't afford as many games as I can is not going to gain them sales from people who don't have the money to do so. These people will just buy less games or find entertainment elsewhere.
Here's a business lesson for you. When there is exceeding demand for something many people jack up the prices. Remember when Wii came out and there were none to be had. Places were jacking up prices? Is that good for the consumer? No. Gas companies jack up gas prices in the Summer when everyone goes on their vacations. Pro-consumer? no. Do I still buy gas? yes. I deal with it. I don't like it, but I do it. It's my choice.
Your analogy of me being a prisoner to a company is flawed however. I do choose to buy it, however, I don't feel like I am a prisoner. I choose what I want to buy, when I want to buy it. A lot of my games, I wait until the price drops. I don't buy used games very much , if at all because they are usually only a few bucks less than new. And I never lend games out. So for me, this is really a non-issue. I do, however, understand the anger many people have. For those, I say it's your choice to support or not support it. I am just offering another side to the argument. There are people out there who aren't quite as upset as many of you. But I absolutely respect your opinions and I see why your angry.
This notion that if you're not with us, you're against us is not helping, however.
If it's easy money why don't you open a B&M shop to stock and sell games?
Opus Angelorum
Member
Well what choice do Sony have? If they choose not to implement this the likes of Gamestop will refuse to stock any pre-owned PS4 games.
And it's likely they'll promote XBO games more prominently.
And it's likely they'll promote XBO games more prominently.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Because most likely they were confronted with "You get 10% or you get 0%."
If you own an LCD, I'd rethink that. Game mode disables a lot of processing. Processing that really helps with the limitations of LCD. You'd get better picture quality if you only used game mode for your games (unless it's a cheap tv to begin with and doesn't have much in the way of processing).
Zen_Arcade
Banned
I want you to know I genuinely laughed at my desk at this.
That's exactly what I would do if I was sure Sony wasn't doing the same.
Shelf space isn't free. Why put 10% margin product when you can have 50% margin PS4 and Wii U games, or even popcorn and soda on there?
Uno Venova
Banned
Seen it happen too many times. Announce something completely shit. Then revise it to be a tiny bit less shit. "well I guess it's not so bad".
I'd argue that the developer who actually made the game is doing the brunt of the work in this scenario.
Meus Renaissance
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Dark-Cloudz
Member
But with digital distribution you don't physically own a disc you cannot sell on the open market.
Imagine buying a CD from HMV and then being told you cannot sell it on ebay, even though you own it. You have to sell it back to HMV for £2, of which HMV make 30p on the resale.
Horrible horrible horrible.
Jacksonlee
Member
perhaps you've allowed yourself to accept that digital goods cant be transferred - but that's totally wrong.
and yes, i've never bought anything digital.
i've heard you can trade/sell steam games now in the Uk, why not NA?
just because some people allow these companies to fuck their asses raw with these rules and restrictions on things you buy - which will come the future, become worse - doesn;t mean it's right.
EDIT: i saw your edit; there has always been a vocal minority that didnt support the way steam worked (or any ditigal ); people have been short-sighted by all the deals and summer savings they received, and now comes Microsoft, and now there's a big shitstorm.
i fear that companies controlling their products - the way its sold/bought/re-sold/loaned/borrowed will be the future -
and if we as consumers don't stop it now, it'll be the norm.
if you're okay with that, you're stupid. not calling you out. but people in general.
Amen bro. Amen.
I used to be pro game developer/publisher for making awesome games but if they are the force behind this then FUCK THEM.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Yeah it's a common practice. It's basic bargaining really.
Imbarkus
As Sartre noted in his contemplation on Hell in No Exit, the true horror is other members.
Can someone smarter than me check out statistics on torrent traffic? I'm always curious to see, when something that can be labelled as anti-consumer like this comes out, if there is a corresponding spike in piracy.
Seriously. GameStop has to start looking out for itself. If they allow this, sell the Xbox One and it takes off they are taking an active role in hurting themselves. That's what's so screwed up about this industry. There is a serious lack of long term self-preservation among a LOT of companies. Chasing the short term.
The only way they can change Microsoft's stance on this is if they say they aren't going to be a party to their own destruction and double down on Sony and Nintendo. Microsoft losing a primary retailer is the only thing that will get them to take notice. No amount of scream from the customer because they don't care and know they don't think ahead.
soulassssns
Banned
There goes buying used games on craigslist.
What if I buy a physical copy of a movie, soundtrack, book, etc? Should I have to go through some sort of bullshit to get a small percentage of what I spent on it so the publisher could make money off what I initially bought and now own?
They've said it's not required. It's optional. I severely doubt EA would make a big deal "about listening to consumers complaints and dropping online passes", unless they had a similar deal with Sony. They'll be exercising their right to implement it. Believe.
Schnozberry
Member
It'll likely be the opposite. Nintendo has already not taken this approach with physical copies of games, and Sony has yet to really clarify what their policy is, but their rhetoric would indicate they are closer to Nintendo than Microsoft. I could see Gamestop having some exclusive and lucrative Wii U bundles and offers, and perhaps PS4 too if Sony follows suit.
Impeccable
Member
Microsoft's only goal is to take Gamestop's 600 million +- a year away from used game sales. They can piggy back always online onto that. Win-win.
Why should I loose my profile?
I'm handing down specific games not my console and my entire collection all at once.
Sigh.. sarcasm huh
Dark-Cloudz
Member
Why? Gamestop make more money off the current system. It would be the other way round.
Delusibeta
Banned
Hello, how's the weather in Opposite Land?
MikeE21286
Member
Guess Gamestop either has some terrible negotiation skills or they don't feel like a) retail is prevalent or b) they have a big enough share to swing their weight around.
That's a shitty setup they negotiated.
There's a difference between upping the price of a wanted good and crippling a product that is on the market.
I'm not angry, MSFT is not selling much here anyway and they'll sell even worse with this one.
By default I'm not supporting them and never have.
If you don't see draconian DRM measures as the publishers treating you like a filthy criminal I have nothing else to say other than you have way lower tolerance to BS than me.
Open Source
Banned
A business model based entirely on arbitrage on software is bound to fail sooner or later.
It's a Sharp, so it's probably got some pretty good stuff. Only recently got it, and haven't watched that much non-gaming stuff through my PS3 on it yet. My previous TV was a Samsung DLP that didn't seem to make much of a difference if I brought it out of Game Mode, so I never did. I'll play with the various modes on my Sharp next time I watch a Blu-ray and see if I notice much of a difference.
Oh god, I can totally see this happening.
Having to download 20+ GB games would be a problem for a significant number of consumers around the world.
Exactly and its that reason why i hope this breaks some kind of trade law or something, although even if it did, i wouldn't be suprised if money and brown paper bags got involved.
RumblingRosco
Member
So you think a used car dealer should send 90% of the sales for their used cars to Toyota? You're acting as if GameStop doesn't have to spend some time during the transaction, spend money to pay their employees, or spend money to pay the bills/pay their rent/taxes.
No, I don't care if a video game isn't the same thing as a car, there is no scenario for any used good in existence where it makes sense that 90% of the sale goes towards the person that originally made it as opposed to whoever is selling it 2nd (or 3rd) hand.
Microsoft, the publishers, and the developers can all go bankrupt for all I care at this point. I don't sell games to GameStop, as I tend to get better value selling in private sales (NeoGAF, eBay, Craigslist, etc). I'm not going to support any company where my rights to re-selling a physical good are stripped/monitored.
The developers work was done once they developed the game and had it published. I cannot think of a single example where any producer gets kickbacks for re-selling something that has already been sold, in terms of physical goods.
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