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Xbox One: live TV available in US only at launch, requires separate device
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Ken Masters
Banned
but can you do a grab motion with your DVR?
Marty Chinn
Member
You can't even do grab motion with Live TV.
Askherserenity
Member
Not replace. And Microsoft made it seem that way at least. Also, the Wii U does a lot of what the One does without the need of plugging it into anything. Hmm. It also lets you look through live tv and all your streaming subscription services at the same time.
Marty Chinn
Member
And it sucks. Wii U TVii is not even alpha software at its current stage. What Microsoft is doing is like 10 times better than what Nintendo did.
Garrett 2U
Member
With Kinect (and your comcast remote in hand) you are the control!
Askherserenity
Member
It does the same shit. Microsofts might be smoother and look nicer. But it's the same shit. And we arent even entirely sure if it'll launch with it on day one or how smooth it'll be as well.
Marty Chinn
Member
So does a guide on your cable box, it does the same shit, but what Nintendo and Microsoft are trying to do is to make it better and give you some advantages in the process. Just because it does similar things doesn't mean it's the same and doesn't mean it's not better. TVii is shit in its implementation. It's so far from what Nintendo was proposing. Microsoft's version is much closer. It's not about smoother and looking nicer, although that helps, it's about pure functionality. Nintendo's is barely usable. The fact that you're switching back and forth between inputs and you can only use TV inputs and not receiver inputs is a HUGE reason Microsoft's implementation shits all over Nintendo's. So again, Microsoft is on a whole different level than Nintendo at the moment.
Kibbles
Member
No its not online streaming. You have to have an Ethernet cable connected to xbox from att gateway and it acts as a live TV STB complete with DVR and everything. The ATT STB works the same way you can use an Ethernet cord instead of running a cable to them.
...you have to do that?
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
probably need to upgrade to an HD cable box
SquiddyCracker
Banned
Xbone is xboned.
BUT VOICE CONTROL! YOU CAN SAY "WATCH TV" AND BAM!
$800!!!!
One way to get cable in Scandinavia is to get in touch with a provider, set up a subscription/contract for a type of deal (x amount of channels for x amount of months/year) and with that deal you get the box for free*. Another way to do it is to buy a box of your own and then just order the deal you want from the cable/tv-provider.
*free as in it works just like it would if you set up a contract when buying a new cellphone.
$400 UI + vanity TV remote for your cable box. Get it right, jeez.
I'm sure there's someone out there with some super expensive man cave that will love this. Everyone else is happy with their TV remote and current UI. It's like Microsoft pretty much invented a problem (changing inputs), then solved it, and then tried to sell it to us. What a disaster. It really is a useless feature. And any of the Xbone entertainment features that show a modicum of promise will be ripped off by the Smart TV manufacturers and installed into next year's model.
"TV, switch to my PS4." /trollface
Ok, I was wondering if we were saying the box itself needed its own subscription. Here in Norway, each provider has its own box. So I guess this will never even be a problem in Norway, as it will never be supported here. Haha. HYYYPE
Caayn
Member
Jup, just like the current XBL fee. We pay more than the people in the USA do and get less. What a wonderfull deal Microsoft gives to everyone outside of the USA.I bet Live will cost the same in Europe anyway.
I don't understand why they didn't just put a cable card tuner inside the box. It would be nice if I could just take my cable box back to Comcast and exchange it for a cable card that I could put inside the xbox. That would be one less box under my tv.
I also don't think that most people will find this easier than just using the remote that comes with the cable box. My family understands how to press a button to change a channel. I don't think they'll adapt well to using hand gestures and voice commands to control the tv.
I also don't think that most people will find this easier than just using the remote that comes with the cable box. My family understands how to press a button to change a channel. I don't think they'll adapt well to using hand gestures and voice commands to control the tv.
MS got a lot of people to accept having to go through Live to get to other services like Netflix, no wonder they figure they can similarly convince a lot of people to get to their TV box by routing it through their Xbox.
It's really quite funny. Aside from games services (which I think are good BTW) the Xbox has always been about convincing people to go through MS to other stuff with very little (to zero) value add by MS.
In reality there is no real "one" solution to all your entertainment needs here - just MS saying why not route everything throug us since you're booting up our box to play games anyway. Which is fine, but it's why I think they're always going to struggle to push the message broadly. If you're heavily invested in Xbox for games then sure, why not go through it to other stuff... but remove the games and (despite all the clever marketing) the Xbox doesn't really add much to services you can already get with no additional fee or effort.
I also find it ironic the approach here is being pushed as innovative when you could do effectively the same with a PS3 and the separate (Sony branded admittedly) kit to pump TV via your PS3 and turn it into a TV recording/watching device complete with TV guide, etc.
It's really quite funny. Aside from games services (which I think are good BTW) the Xbox has always been about convincing people to go through MS to other stuff with very little (to zero) value add by MS.
In reality there is no real "one" solution to all your entertainment needs here - just MS saying why not route everything throug us since you're booting up our box to play games anyway. Which is fine, but it's why I think they're always going to struggle to push the message broadly. If you're heavily invested in Xbox for games then sure, why not go through it to other stuff... but remove the games and (despite all the clever marketing) the Xbox doesn't really add much to services you can already get with no additional fee or effort.
I also find it ironic the approach here is being pushed as innovative when you could do effectively the same with a PS3 and the separate (Sony branded admittedly) kit to pump TV via your PS3 and turn it into a TV recording/watching device complete with TV guide, etc.
"Scandinavia".
Yes, the providers often have their own type of box - you still need a contract and that contract (if you so choose) subsidizes that box's prize in to a small monthly fee, along with what you pay for your cable.
That's how my dad does it, who lives in Oslo.
Jezbollah
Member
Most if not all HD TV standards require HDCP, so anything non HDMI was never an option.
It's much worse then that if you can't access your DVR. It would only be good for live television. Microsoft needs to have some crazy partnerships to get full cable box control for all the global providers that are out there. I know Comcast and some others have the ability to connect to your box from online so that may work. With regards to directly communicating with your cable box how many allow for HDMI CEC control (and blast IR is a damn joke in 2013 and beyond).
Not what I meant.
Many cables boxes act as a descrambler and receive their source via coax from a drop outside your home. The ONE would have had a nice advantage with that added functionality, though it's less readable a method since MS would have to either get permission to get descrambling hardware for every major provider or sell different provider compatible skus
"Scandinavia".
Yes, the providers often have their own type of box - you still need a contract and that contract (if you so choose) subsidizes that box's prize in to a small monthly fee, along with what you pay for your cable.
That's how my dad does it, who lives in Oslo.
But we can't choose to buy our own box, we have to get theirs, don't we? I guess I just have no idea how this whole Xbone thing is going to work. If I have an HDMI-out box, can I just plug that into this box? I mean, simply confusion on that question makes that whole thing too much of a hassle to be worth it. That they subsequently spent half their show talking about it is source of worry.
You just plug whatever receiver box you have (that has HDMI out) into the 360..
My SKY HD box has HDMI out, that will plug into the XB1 just fine, as will a Virgin HD box, or any Freeview Box with HDMI out..
What won't work is people with TV's with receivers built in.. but if you are happy with a basic TV tuner, you could just buy a cheap HDMI equipped receiver (freeview in the UK)..
MS should have played this very differently and just concentrated on remote assistance, the second screen and maybe some demos' of cloud computing actually doing something practical and a couple of games, and just mentioned the abililty to plug a HDMI reciever box into it as a throw away at end.. Certainly they should have done a Sony and said nothing about DRM or second hand games and waited until E3..
Good thing it'll still play games.
TheExecutive
Member
There hasn't been good news since the rumors started rolling in. I cannot believe that MS would completely do a 180 from what the 360 did to actually make them money.
I have been holding my tongue during this whole debacle and will TRY to continue to do so until E3 but I can't remember a worse reveal and worse news for the consumer in gaming history.
TheExecutive
Member
It's just too bad that they compromised the gaming features to include all the shit not for gaming. Plus it seems as though it will play games as long as you play by a very defined set of rules.
Finally watching TV just got easier!!
statham
Member
Fixed the shoddy job.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
Wonderful. Once again, Microsoft is choosing to selectively forget that places in the world other than America exist.
Yeah. The TV thing don't really interest me but all the tech behind Kinect look interesting. We just need to see if it'll be applied in any interesting ways to games.
You would also do well to note that while he was swiping on his phone - he swiped left and right but the snap-column kept going in one direction. Several times he was also standing in eye-shot of Kinect flailing his arms with swipe gestures and it didn't respond until the moment he wanted it to... Is Kinect 2.0 omniscient? I don't think technology is at the point where it can distinguish between deliberate and accidental motion when both are exactly alike.
The whole thing was faked and anyone with a bad set of eyes saw it.
Truckondo2.0
Member
Can't wait till I see one of those HDCP error screens.
majortom1981
Member
I have a google tv that does exactly what the xbox one will do. I can tell you for a fact that the presentation was faked. On the google tv when you change the tv channel there is a slight pause for the IR blaster to send the change code to the cable box.
Graphics Horse
Member
That's what a lot of people expected them to attempt, or were rumoured to be doing. Maybe something went very wrong and they're just left with this oversized, overpriced google tv thing.
Oh and it also plays games. But would anyone honestly want to buy this if it wasn't for the games?
Modern cable boxes can be controlled through HDMI. I guess it'll fall back on IR otherwise.
It basically combines the functions of a DVR and something like a Logitech Harmony with voice control on top. No need to switch input on the TV or on the AV receiver. If it makes the switching as fast as in the presentation then it's kinda neat, as switching the AVR/TV inputs always takes a few seconds.
Not that I'm going to use this much anyway but it doesn't seem that hard to comprehend. Some people are just being dense on purpose at this point it seems.
It basically combines the functions of a DVR and something like a Logitech Harmony with voice control on top. No need to switch input on the TV or on the AV receiver. If it makes the switching as fast as in the presentation then it's kinda neat, as switching the AVR/TV inputs always takes a few seconds.
Not that I'm going to use this much anyway but it doesn't seem that hard to comprehend. Some people are just being dense on purpose at this point it seems.
Goldenroad
Member
This was really my main concern. The functionality that they focused all their attention on is for this tiny percentage of the population that will be able to make use of it.