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#PS4NoDRM #XboxOneNoDRM || Now do you "Believe?"

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benny_a

extra source of jiggaflops
I think they must be aware that doing the opposite (in this case doing nothing) of what is generally perceived as a shit decision is what they should do.

Just continue as before. Let the publishers decide and have them take the blame on a case by case basis.

Persona 4 Arena
Two of Capcom's games on PSN

And people with a large readership, as soon as they even hint at doing something like this you better milk the 2011 PSN hack and throw that shit back in their face.

Also: #PS4RegionFree!
 
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Wazzy

Banned
sn00zer said:
Steam is completely comparable, all major releases can be anywhere from $50-$60...$40 for games released months after console release. $5 to $10 only happens during sales.



Many many PC games are steamworks or origin based even physical copies require you to enter a Steam key.

I dunno this whole thing seems a little blown out of proportion, but whatever. Im a minority when it comes to this. I think given Sony's track record with Greatest Hits titles, mega collections, and PS+ prices, steam level sales could be a very real thing. Why buy a used game when PSN sale has it for cheaper?

EDIT: Im fairly certain XB1 and Sony are just trying to copy Steam.... prerelease piracy drops, devs get a cut of every sale without middlemen, games are cheaper for consumers... everyone is happy
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Steam pricing is cheaper. Come on.

Let me quote someone explaining why they're not the same from the actual thread discussing this.
Brannon said:
"IT'S JUST LIKE STEAM"

Except the lack of modding.

And the lack of communities that thrive on modding.

And the lack of low prices.

And the lack of control choices.

And the lack of customizable graphics.

And the lack of free online gaming.

And the lack of being able to download demos day one if you don't pay for online gaming.

But other than all of that IT'S JUST LIKE STEAM so why y'all actin' like y'all got a shaft in the aft?
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Shaheed79

dabbled in the jelly
richisawesome said:
I do not understand why some people assume that used games are bad for the industry. It's totally mind boggling.
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It's not that used games are inherently bad for the industry. It's that major game publishers have made such poor financial decisions in the past 8 years, based on an unsustainable business model, that they have now painted themselves into a corner.

After most publishers suffered record losses, instead of owning up to the blame and changing their business models, they petitioned the console manufacturers to help them stay afloat by implementing technology to lock down used games. It's a desperate response that isn't even a solution to the real problem; that being severely bloated game budgets. Those publishers need to all be supporting a paradigm shift in game development, instead of betraying their customers good will.
 
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Syrionus

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I have a lot of problems with the Xbox One. However, the one that seriously seems to be overlooked, is the hard drive space. I have a ton of games for my 360. If I had to install all of them on a hard drive, I would have to have a fuckton on hard drive space. 500 GB is going to fill up real fast. Couple that with the always on Kinect and the used game debacle; I am just out of this generation. Sony might be able to convince me if they don't pull the bullshit that Microsoft pulled but either way, I am sticking to PC gaming only. I trade my console games with my friends; I don't do the same with my PC games.
 
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gofreak

GAF's Bob Woodward
By far the bigger issue in the 'it's just like Steam' debate, is that of expectations.

Steam was the way Steam was from the very beginning with regard to DRM.

Expectations around how physical discs will behave have been established over 15+ years on Playstation, and further back on Nintendo/Sega etc.

Why change the game in the Autumn of the physical disc's life? It looks extremely conservative if not slightly desperate from whatever stakeholders are pushing for this. Transition consumers to digital and new models gracefully, with carrots like PS+, not with sticks. Let it be voluntary and natural. Don't try to apply digital rules to physical after the fact.
 
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Moxx19

Banned
Shaheed79 said:
It's not that used games are inherently bad for the industry. It's that major game publishers have made such poor financial decisions in the past 8 years, based on an unsustainable business model, that they have now painted themselves into a corner.

After most publishers suffered record losses, instead of owning up to the blame and changing their business models, they petitioned the console manufacturers to help them stay afloat by implementing technology to lock down used games. It's a desperate response that isn't even a solution to the real problem; that being severely bloated game budgets. Those publishers need to all be supporting a paradigm shift in game development, instead of betraying their customers good will.
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Exactly. When a game as big as Tomb Raider can't even break even on 3 million plus sales at $60 a pop, there is a problem.
 
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flipswitch

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Syrionus said:
I have a lot of problems with the Xbox One. However, the one that seriously seems to be overlooked, is the hard drive space. I have a ton of games for my 360. If I had to install all of them on a hard drive, I would have to have a fuckton on hard drive space. 500 GB is going to fill up real fast. Couple that with the always on Kinect and the used game debacle; I am just out of this generation. Sony might be able to convince me if they don't pull the bullshit that Microsoft pulled but either way, I am sticking to PC gaming only. I trade my console games with my friends; I don't do the same with my PC games.
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I'd rather have the option to instal the game or not. I wonder long it will take to instal a full Blu-ray game?
 
Pryor

Pryor

Member
Put in my effort. Their whole campaign has been based on listening to what gamers want. Let us all hope that they are still listening.
 
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I am Michael Bolton

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sn00zer said:
Steam is completely comparable, all major releases can be anywhere from $50-$60...$40 for games released months after console release. $5 to $10 only happens during sales.



Many many PC games are steamworks or origin based even physical copies require you to enter a Steam key.

I dunno this whole thing seems a little blown out of proportion, but whatever. Im a minority when it comes to this. I think given Sony's track record with Greatest Hits titles, mega collections, and PS+ prices, steam level sales could be a very real thing. Why buy a usedgame when PSN sale has it for cheaper?

EDIT: Im fairly certain XB1 and Sony are just trying to copy Steam.... prerelease piracy drops, devs get a cut of every sale without middlemen, games are cheaper for consumers... everyone is happy
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Sorry but you're mistaken. Almost every single Steamworks game (which is most big non Blizzard/EA releases) can be preordered for $30-36.50 on GMG. I bought Tomb Raider at launch for $26. I haven't paid more than $40 for a preorder for Steam games in forever. I preordered CoH2 for $35 (it's $60 on Steam) and Total War Rome 2 for $40 ($60 on Steam). Amazon/GMG/Gamersgate/Gamefly/ and other services routinely have amazing sales for Steamworks games.

If you think one has to wait a couple months for new games to hit $40 you're mistaken.
 
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Deleted member 8095

Unconfirmed Member
I hope all these people's smartphones are buzzing with every twitter mention. Especially if they are trying to sleep, in an important meeting or sitting down to eat dinner with their families.
 
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Moxx19

Banned
Silly as it might sound, I have a rather positive outlook on all of this.

Sony has been spreading the games, developer, consumer friendly approach to this console and the overall outlook from everyone that has talked about it at SCE seems to be positive.

Seems antithetical to make a move which would then alienate a huge portion of the market.

I dunno, maybe I'm just trying to be positive.
 
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Empty

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gofreak said:
By far the bigger issue in the 'it's just like Steam' debate, is that of expectations.

Steam was the way Steam was from the very beginning with regard to DRM.

Expectations around how physical discs will behave have been established over 15+ years on Playstation, and further back on Nintendo/Sega etc.

Why change the game in the Autumn of the physical disc's life? It looks extremely conservative if not slightly desperate from whatever stakeholders are pushing for this. Transition consumers to digital and new models gracefully, with carrots like PS+, not with sticks. Let it be voluntary and natural. Don't try to apply digital rules to physical after the fact.
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yep. the vita still supports used games, yet i buy most stuff digitally because it suits me to have it always there on my portable device and to be able to easily flick between games instead of changing carts. i wasn't sure whether i'd like uncharted golden abyss so i bought the cart knowing i could sell it back if i didn't, i did like it and kept it. the power of options.
 
scakko84

scakko84

Member
Been there, done that...

shouldn't we name the operation in oprainfall style to be more general and cross-platform?

Just asking...
 
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Boke1879

Member
Giving this thread one last bump before I got to bed. Try and keep it up as best you can guys. It was a good effort and we did what we could for today.

It has taken notice on other sites. We know that Sony is watching this unfold as well. Lets just hope they can make the right decision.
 
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Syrionus

Neo Member
gofreak said:
By far the bigger issue in the 'it's just like Steam' debate, is that of expectations.

Steam was the way Steam was from the very beginning with regard to DRM.

Expectations around how physical discs will behave have been established over 15+ years on Playstation, and further back on Nintendo/Sega etc.

Why change the game in the Autumn of the physical disc's life? It looks extremely conservative if not slightly desperate from whatever stakeholders are pushing for this. Transition consumers to digital and new models gracefully, with carrots like PS+, not with sticks. Let it be voluntary and natural. Don't try to apply digital rules to physical after the fact.
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This is probably the best explanation of my anger over this tragedy.
 
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artist

Banned
gofreak said:
By far the bigger issue in the 'it's just like Steam' debate, is that of expectations.

Steam was the way Steam was from the very beginning with regard to DRM.

Expectations around how physical discs will behave have been established over 15+ years on Playstation, and further back on Nintendo/Sega etc.

Why change the game in the Autumn of the physical disc's life? It looks extremely conservative if not slightly desperate from whatever stakeholders are pushing for this. Transition consumers to digital and new models gracefully, with carrots like PS+, not with sticks. Let it be voluntary and natural. Don't try to apply digital rules to physical after the fact.
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That read like poetry.
 
Hoho for breakfast

Hoho for breakfast

Member
hiphopgamer said:
Sony VS XboxOne

it's all about the advantages and the disadvantages tell me what your guys think thanks.

http://www.egmnow.com/hiphopgamer/sony-has-proof-of-taken-microsoft-advantages-away-this-gen-hhgs/
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The title doesn't really make sense to me either. I'm not sure what it's trying to say exactly. I agree with the points in the video but I don't believe Sony has confirmed free online. I think you said something about it at the 5:50 or so mark when comparing the online.

Edit: And I assume you're actually hiphopgamer? If so welcome even though I'm new here myself...and HELP US OUT! =)
 
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gundamkyoukai

Member
gofreak said:
By far the bigger issue in the 'it's just like Steam' debate, is that of expectations.

Steam was the way Steam was from the very beginning with regard to DRM.

Expectations around how physical discs will behave have been established over 15+ years on Playstation, and further back on Nintendo/Sega etc.

Why change the game in the Autumn of the physical disc's life? It looks extremely conservative if not slightly desperate from whatever stakeholders are pushing for this. Transition consumers to digital and new models gracefully, with carrots like PS+, not with sticks. Let it be voluntary and natural. Don't try to apply digital rules to physical after the fact.
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I agree with this , it's seem that the pubs and consoles makers want to force us into digital rules while physical disc are still very important .
These things take time i know next gen i will buy more games digitally for eg fighting games but i don't want to be force into it .
It will natural happen for eg like the music industry .

side note join twitter today to help fight for the cause .
 
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Beren

Member
And Jim Sterling joined the cause :)
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Thanks Jim! :)
 
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saunderez

Member
gofreak said:
Expectations around how physical discs will behave have been established over 15+ years on Playstation, and further back on Nintendo/Sega etc.

Why change the game in the Autumn of the physical disc's life? It looks extremely conservative if not slightly desperate from whatever stakeholders are pushing for this. Transition consumers to digital and new models gracefully, with carrots like PS+, not with sticks. Let it be voluntary and natural. Don't try to apply digital rules to physical after the fact.
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Spot on, in a closed system I expect the media to be my authentication. Anything else is unacceptable. I felt the same way about PC digital until prices came down and Steam had competition.
 
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