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[sflufan]

He was the narrative designer/writer for Prey 2 and currently works for Volition.

 

[unbias]

Doesn't surprise me, at all. "Petty" describes many people when it comes to making decisions.

 

[Mechazawa]

Did Bethesda ever outright say "it was just a demo"? That sounds like the kind of lying that doesn't necessarily work to their advantage.

 

[Swifty]

https://twitter.com/jasonlblair/status/340655497860489216

What kind of petty feud makes a publisher sit on a completed game but not release it? You're practically sitting on an oil reserve but choosing not to drill. The Arkane Studio rumors makes it seem like they're starting from scratch.

 

[jtb]

talking shit about your old boss on Twitter is never a particularly good idea. props to this guy for having the balls to do so though

 

[Neuromancer]

'Prey 2 was a full game. And a crazy fun one. The team was small but you wouldn't have known it.'

=(

 

[unbias]

https://twitter.com/jasonlblair/status/340655497860489216

What kind of petty feud makes a publisher sit on a completed game but not release it? You're practically sitting on oil reserve but choosing not to drill. The Arkane Studio rumors makes it seem like they're starting from scratch.

Which now puts even that statement under scrutiny. Very hard beleive they are "starting from scratch", with that much to go off of.

 

[RyanReedyMusic]

I have had hype in my heart for this game since the original. I have beat the first one multiple times. I loved all the footage of this game so much. If Arkane does have control they are a great team and Im sure its in good hands. Just sucks because Human Head studios are easily one of my fave teams out there.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

What kind of petty feud makes a publisher sit on a completed game but not release it?

This happens all the time. In every industry.

It's completely shitty.

 

[Deleted member 80556]

And people say that Bethesda treats developers well, they might treat theirs well (not very evident when they have threatened to cancel the next Doom, although it's deserved), but other devs have done so much for so little with them.

Obsidian comes to mind.

Honestly, whoever manages external dev relations: fuck you. You are what's wrong with this industry.

 

[Megasoum]

https://twitter.com/jasonlblair/status/340655497860489216

What kind of petty feud makes a publisher sit on a completed game but not release it? You're practically sitting on an oil reserve but choosing not to drill. The Arkane Studio rumors makes it seem like they're starting from scratch.

Saying that it's a full game doesn't mean the game was ever completed. What he meant is that, unlike many rumors, it wasn't just a demo to show off at E3. The game was probably still far from done and for some reason the publisher decided they didn't want to pay for completing it (which could easily be multiple millions btw).

 

[Emitan]

And people say that Bethesda treats developers well, they might treat theirs well (not very evident when they have threatened to cancel the next Doom, although it's deserved), but other devs have done so much for so little with them.

Obsidian comes to mind.

Honestly, whoever manages external dev relations: fuck you. You are what's wrong with this industry.

WHat.

 

[cuyahoga]

https://twitter.com/jasonlblair/status/340655497860489216

What kind of petty feud makes a publisher sit on a completed game but not release it? You're practically sitting on an oil reserve but choosing not to drill. The Arkane Studio rumors makes it seem like they're starting from scratch.

Full game does not mean finished game. They might have been near alpha or locked the game's content

 

[Deleted member 80556]

WHat.

Well, it was a rumor, but it was said that the next Doom has restarted development countless times, and the time in which they had considerable a good amount of work done, it was only 10 mediocre levels according to the sources who said this, which were also scrapped. The thing is that Bethesda or Zenimax or whatever is sick of it and are threatening to cancel the project unless id has a releaseable project by sometime in the future.

Lemme search the thread. EDIT: Found it! http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=534093

 

[JDSN]

Another critical darling in the making for Bethesda.

 

[Brinbe]

Sad to hear. I was so hyped for it.

 

[grosvenor_92]

Any chance Bethesda will actually make an official comment besides the whole we don't comment on rumors and speculation we got before ?

 

[Messofanego]

Pics just in case (bottom to top order)

 

[Deadbeat]

What kind of petty feud makes a publisher sit on a completed game but not release it?

Lets look at Ubisoft recently.

 

[Htown]

https://twitter.com/jasonlblair/status/340655497860489216

What kind of petty feud makes a publisher sit on a completed game but not release it? You're practically sitting on an oil reserve but choosing not to drill. The Arkane Studio rumors makes it seem like they're starting from scratch.

this stuff happens a lot, I think

Remember, Sleeping Dogs almost didn't come out.

 

[grosvenor_92]

Lets look at Ubisoft recently.

i never understood why Ubisoft did that, what's the point of buying his studio, firing him and putting his game on hold ?

 

[unbias]

this stuff happens a lot, I think

Remember, Sleeping Dogs almost didn't come out.

Ya, the Brutal Legends stuff came across as petty as well.

 

[Razlo]

Bethesda treats devs like shit & I have no interest in a non-Human Head Prey 2.

 

[Angry Fork]

This really sucks, the game looked awesome. I feel really bad for the developers. Unions are sorely needed.

 

[Grief.exe]

I want to hear the full story.

If this is true its not only despicable, but very sad for Human Head employees since they don't see the monetary benefits of releasing a full title.

 

[unbias]

I hate it when it ends like that...

 

[Razlo]

No reason to throw Arkane under the bus over this. Talented and likely in need of the work.

I don't know what to tell you, I'm not rewarding Bethesda for an asshole move & Arkane still has Dishonored 2.

 

[grosvenor_92]

No reason to throw Arkane under the bus over this. Talented and likely in need of the work.

Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't they be working on a dishonored sequel ?

 

[Grief.exe]

I don't know what to tell you, I'm not rewarding Bethesda for an asshole move & Arkane still has Dishonored 2.

Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't they be working on a dishonored sequel ?

Multiple teams.

One studio in Texas and one in France, and they might even have multiple teams within those separate studios as well.

http://www.arkane-studios.com/uk/company.php

 

[unbias]

Multiple teams.

Which makes you wonder what team worked on Dishonored and what team would be working on this. The name brand isnt as important as the people working on it.

 

[phantomspiker]

Correct me if I"m wrong, but we only saw a CGI trailer for Prey 2...no actual gameplay. Maybe the game was a disaster so Bethesda scrapped it.

 

[Grief.exe]

Which makes you wonder what team worked on Dishonored and what team would be working on this. The name brand isnt as important as the people working on it.

If you look into it, the France studio is hiring like crazy and the Austin studio isn't hiring at all.

http://jobs.zenimax.com/locations/view/48

So one team is really gearing up to go into full production, and one is likely still in pre-production.

Correct me if I"m wrong, but we only saw a CGI trailer for Prey 2...no actual gameplay. Maybe the game was a disaster so Bethesda scrapped it.

This guy is implying the complete opposite.

That they almost had a full, working game. His background seems to give him credibility.

 

[scitek]

Correct me if I"m wrong, but we only saw a CGI trailer for Prey 2...no actual gameplay. Maybe the game was a disaster so Bethesda scrapped it.

No, they showed gameplay, too.

 

[unbias]

Correct me if I"m wrong, but we only saw a CGI trailer for Prey 2...no actual gameplay. Maybe the game was a disaster so Bethesda scrapped it.

Beaten.

 

[sixghost]

This guy is implying the complete opposite.

That they almost had a full, working game. His background seems to give him credibility.

Granted, it's pretty easy to talk about how awesome a game is when no one will ever play it. I just can't imagine a publisher scrapping a game close to completion, with lots of positive buzz behind it, if it was awesome.

 

[phantomspiker]

No, they showed gameplay, too.

Whoa, how did I missed that? That game looks pretty neat.

 

[Solid warrior]

Human head prey 2 is bad. I doubt arkane studio will do any better unless they create a completely new prey 2 or maybe a reboot with a better story, new characters and new game play.

 

[Razlo]

Granted, it's pretty easy to talk about how awesome a game is when no one will ever play it. I just can't imagine a publisher scrapping a game close to completion, with lots of positive buzz behind it, if it was awesome.

All E3 impressions were super positive too.

 

[EatChildren]

Arkane Lyon = Dishonored 2
Arkane Austin = Prey 2

And yeah, the Sleeping Dogs situation comes to mind in regards to this. Had nobody picked up the rights to that Activision would have been sitting on a near finished game, never to release. It's sadly not unusual for developers to build a ton of content for a game later cancelled.

 

[unbias]

http://kotaku.com/we-hear-the-people-behind-dishonored-are-now-working-on-510646344

Jason has an article on this, I almost forgot.

"Higher-ups at Arkane are telling the team to forget that it's called Prey 2 and just treat it like a new System Shock."

Not sure what to make of this... I mean, this doesn't exactly sound like Arkane is happy about it either. And now with this info...

 

[Bending_Unit_22]

I don't think there is anything future employers love more than someone who trash talks their old boss/employer, whatever (no matter how true).

https://twitter.com/jasonlblair/status/340655497860489216

What kind of petty feud makes a publisher sit on a completed game but not release it? You're practically sitting on an oil reserve but choosing not to drill. The Arkane Studio rumors makes it seem like they're starting from scratch.

Rather bad analogy.

 

[ProfessorMoran]

The other release they stepped in and rebooted. If the leaked screens were any indication they may have been right to do so. Prey 2 on the other hand looked great.

The scary part about the Doom rumor was the implication that if they don't get the game going smoothly Id will be turned to a tech-only studio. Which is nuts when they're capable of gunplay as amazing as Rage. They're a few smart level designers away from another classic.

But there is good tech out there they can license without having to keep id around, tech-wise id hasn't done anything special this gen. If id can't get things done commercially Zenimax might very well cut them loose.

 

[Valnen]

The other release they stepped in and rebooted. If the leaked screens were any indication they may have been right to do so. Prey 2 on the other hand looked great.

The scary part about the Doom rumor was the implication that if they don't get the game going smoothly Id will be turned to a tech-only studio. Which is nuts when they're capable of gunplay as amazing as Rage. They're a few smart level designers away from another classic.

Wow, fuck Bethesda. Nothing but shit comes from them.

 

[grosvenor_92]

Does Human Head have a game planned for next gen ? I know they helped with Defiance and Infinite but I haven't read anything about them working on they're own project

 

[Woo-Fu]

Seems like a lot of grief for a property that doesn't resonate with anybody. Go into any game store, ask people what they thought of Prey. The most common answer will be, "What?".

 

[unbias]

Seems like a lot of grief for a property that doesn't resonate with anybody. Go into any game store, ask people what they thought of Prey. The most common answer will be, "What?".

Ya, which makes it even more curious why the dedication to the title. Almost makes it sound like someone trying to cover their ass for making a call to pick-up an IP and developer.

 

[Dynamite Shikoku]

Seems like a lot of grief for a property that doesn't resonate with anybody. Go into any game store, ask people what they thought of Prey. The most common answer will be, "What?".

I wish I knew everything everyone thought

 

[Grief.exe]

No, they showed gameplay, too.

Wow I completely forgot about how amazing that game looked.

That game looked pretty far along in 2011 if they had all of those systems in place.

Real shame.

In other news, look what I got coming in the mail. Activates on Steam.

 

[phantomspiker]

Wow I completely forgot about how amazing that game looked.

That game looked pretty far along in 2011 if they had all of those systems in place.

Real shame.

In other news, look what I got coming in the mail. Activates on Steam.

Keep in mind that developers often create great looking vertical slices to present.

Irrational did that with Infinite.

 

[Deleted member 80556]

i never understood why Ubisoft did that, what's the point of buying his studio, firing him and putting his game on hold ?

"You either work with us, or you don't work in this industry at all!"

http://kotaku.com/we-hear-the-people-behind-dishonored-are-now-working-on-510646344

Jason has an article on this, I almost forgot.

"Higher-ups at Arkane are telling the team to forget that it's called Prey 2 and just treat it like a new System Shock."

Not sure what to make of this... I mean, this doesn't exactly sound like Arkane is happy about it either. And now with this info...

Well this reinforces my point of Bethesda being a company with shitty practices: they're obligating Arkane, a company that should have the same freedom as Naughty Dog, work on a game that should be out already but it isn't because of their terrible treatment of developers.