vpance
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I'll be having lunch during MS E3!
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XBOX ONE Reveal: UI faked from the start. Very choppy, and CBoaT
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I'll be having lunch during MS E3!
MS would rather raise the price than lower clocks for yield
They don't want to give PS4 de facto timed exclusivity on AC4, BF4, and CoD and an extra holiday to gain traction.
Boogalogist
Member
Why am I not surprised by these smoke and mirrors from MS.....
They can't afford to miss the holiday season AND let sony have one year advantage, even IF they'd go with a better spec. It would be PS2 vs Xbox all over again.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Because missing this holiday season would be suicide.
You're right - they've made their case that Xbox One is an entertainment device first and foremost, they obviously did not design it with graphical prowess as the primary goal...which is why it would not surprise me to see them sacrifice performance for yield...they're already banking on the graphical differences to not be a big factor when it comes to sales.
What in the world makes you think that would be the case?
NoLootBoxDev
Member
XD my mistake, but I will have lunch during Microsoft conference
because that's how you deal with the cost of low yields
How is LESS competition better for gamers? How can this even be good? You should really think about that.
I suppose we should just have two car makers as well, two TV manufacturers, two movie studios, two types of fast food resturants.....
I could go on and on and on....
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Not if your goal is profitability & supply rather than power. Microsoft didn't design the system to be powerful from the start, so why would you expect them to make sure that the clocks stayed the same at all costs?
BRocknRolla
Member
Is this whole downclocking rumor getting its own thread? Just curious because it seems like a totally different topic from UI.
because yields are temporary and solvable.
It still really does not matter if they faked it or not. They are promising features at the launch of their console. They will either deliver or get completely smeared. I would put money on it that they will ultimately deliver on their promises.
Just as Sony will deliver on their promises.
choppy UI = Lower clocked parts and beta code. That would make sense.
MS is most likely waiting on a respin to come back to see whats going on. Rumors of yield problems have existed since last year so I'm sure they have something going on.
Radical_Ed
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I don't buy that whole 800-900 gflops rumour. That's barely 3 times the raw power of the PS3. I know the new architecture is also more efficient but still a very minor gap.
Why is it buggy? I didn't see any bugs, just less than optimal performance.
The PS4 won't have the stated raw power either I'd assume. It'll be still way more than the xbone - even if this rumor is false.
Trogdor1123
Gold Member
I honestly doubt its old software, why in the world would they demo software 7 months old before e3 when real deal is available? Makes zero sense. I call that they may be 7 months behind, not 7 months old
PS4 is doing just fine the last I heard. I wouldn't worry about Sony.
BTW - some other site is claiming -
http://www.stfuandplay.com/story/co...-clocking-xbox-one-by-100-200mhz#.Ua6w90Cnzrw
That comes from the same source that was right about Evolution's game (Drive Club).
http://www.stfuandplay.com/story/content/sony-and-microsofts-next-generation-racers-leaked#.Ua6yutirRpg
Thuway's information is looking more likely.
obviously. but you can't ignore the fact that this is "where they're at" today, and it's pretty far off from where they led the press to believe they were. i'm sure it'll all be fine, but i'd say this is a pretty significant development regardless.
Nobody's saying it will be as choppy and slow as shown in the wired vid by the time of release, but there are no guarantees either that it will run as smoothly as they showed it to run in the reveal.
It really doesn't matter. I can do all that stuff that they show on my media center very fluidly running windows 8 on a brazos e-350 which is a dual core 1.6ghz bobcat. I don't see a 8 core jaguar running at the same speed or more having trouble doing that.
Seems about the right timing, since you said you heard it just recently.
Uh oh, starting to smell smoke.
I split the tech talk into a separate thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=576869
Exactly - after all we still don't know what parts of Sony's presentation were "aspirational" and what was going to be there at launch. Nobody has the patience to wait less than a week to see what's in the info bomb that's about to detonate?
Radical_Ed
Banned
Even if it reserves a 10% of the GPU for the OS, as the Xbone does, it means that we are talking about the PS4 being a 100% more powerful system. Basically 810 gflops (900, the best scenario, working at 90%) vs 1600 gflops (1800 working at 90%).
Why would the PS4 require a major amount more of FLOPS reserved on the GPU?. Shouldn't it be roughly the same amount?. If not less?.
Radical_Ed
Banned
As far as I know the 360 was also reserving that percentage of GPU to the OS so I'm just guessing that is a standard percentage for consoles.
I'm not worrying about Sony at all. I'm very positive that they'll deliver this time.
Also, how can SUCH A HUGE BOX that consists of like 50% fans have heating problems?
It's all on the same die though, isn't it? Not two separate ships / yields?
So if they are having yield issues for ESRAM, they might have some quantities of chips with good ESRAM, but GPUs that can't handle the desired clock. So reducing the GPU clock would make these chips viable.
Or have I fucked up in my thinking?
phosphor112
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ThisWreckage
Banned
There is no way in hell anyone should rush out and buy this console. Especially with the manufacturing difficulties rumor. Microsoft has already shown that they will rush hardware out the door and a lot of fools rewarded them last generation for it by buying the same buggy console two and three times over.
Heh, I haven't read the entire thread so this probably isn't an original thought but I could've swore the gif was still loading after it loaded, since it's hosted on minus.com. I did a double take when I realized that, indeed, that's how choppy it really was. I'm sure it will be fixed and, even, kudos to MS for showing the real thing. It's just surprisingly bad.
LukasTaves
Member
Transistors count is not useless metric XD
They might not be the single variable that determines all the performance, but it's far from being useless, quite on the contrary, it does have a direct connection to performance.
Even if the other variables are unknown to us, in the very least it shows Ms hasn't cheaped out on hardware, and more importantly, it heavily implies the chip was designed with that in mind instead of being a late minute addition to support the erroneous assumption of memory availability. (Of course, that could still be the case, but I doubt they went from a 3 billion chip design and then added an extra 2 just because thy though they wouldn't be able to get 8gb of gddr5).
Kudos? Absolutely not. They have no business showing something that isn't ready for presentation. That was shockingly bad.
GAF will be fine when the games show up, as it should be, as gamers we care about games above all else right? Having said that, this is the feature upon which MS decided to base it's first reveal to the world and that's the best realtime demo you could show Wired?
They have no business not showing anything after showing a fake UI. They owed it to gamers to show something, even if the state is not that great. Had they said that they didn't want to show it just yet your response could've been "they owe it to us to show something hands on."
But we agree, it was bad. I'm catching up on the esram / underclocking rumors and wondering, if they did fake it maybe they copied the video from the up-clocked version (and edited it of course) and when they did the underclock it set the whole UI out of wack.
None that I'm aware of, but if they watch that Wired video, they'd probably write an article about it.