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TRUTHFACT: MS having eSRAM yield problems on Xbox One
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Trolls like you shouldn't have the ability to post.
anyways, if this rumour turns out to be true I might consighter become a PC gamer only.
Ever since i saw this picture my jaw dropped to the floor:
That is a fuckin' huge APU. Doing some quick and dirty pixel counting, I'm getting something like 420mm^2*, which would make it larger than the HD7970 and the 680 GTX easily. Only the 780/Titans are bigger. Pretty much anyone could have told them that this thing is going to be a disaster in yields.
* I'm basing it off of this. Assuming the whole machine is 500 pixels by 365, and the die itself is 37 by 23, you'll get 420 mm^2. All very rough numbers, but in the same ball park as reality.
That is a fuckin' huge APU. Doing some quick and dirty pixel counting, I'm getting something like 420mm^2*, which would make it larger than the HD7970 and the 680 GTX easily. Only the 780/Titans are bigger. Pretty much anyone could have told them that this thing is going to be a disaster in yields.
* I'm basing it off of this. Assuming the whole machine is 500 pixels by 365, and the die itself is 37 by 23, you'll get 420 mm^2. All very rough numbers, but in the same ball park as reality.
It depends on if they even can delay it at this point without pissing off partners and looking bad to ivestors and fans. I also doubt they want to launch too long after Sony.
Ever since i saw this picture my jaw dropped to the floor:
That is a fuckin' huge APU. Doing some quick and dirty pixel counting, I'm getting something like 420mm^2*, which would make it larger than the HD7970 and the 680 GTX easily. Only the 780/Titans are bigger. Pretty much anyone could have told them that this thing is going to be a disaster in yields.
* I'm basing it off of this. Assuming the whole machine is 500 pixels by 365, and the die itself is 37 by 23, you'll get 420 mm^2. All very rough numbers, but in the same ball park as reality.
People have worked it out using the size of the ram chips near the die. Its ~400mm iirc.
Since I'm in the OP, I might as well say that I completely stand by what I said and feel the person that informed me of this is as reliable as it possibly gets on the Xbox One. I feel a source doesn't get more accurate than this.
If it turns out wrong, feel free to perma ban me. Although, if I'm wrong, which I really, really doubt, I throw myself on the mercy of the court.
Who am I kidding? Gaf? Mercy? Still, I take full responsibility for what I said, and I absolutely stand by it.
Sorry but I don't believe you.
The last couple of months you've been defending the Xbone at every instance. You even went as far as fighting mathematics by stating the 50% higher flops percentage was misleading and should only be 33%.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=53870013&highlight=#post53870013
And then, when we thought you finally agreed, you fought maths again in this thread a month later ...
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=562401&page=7
I'm not trying to be a jerk here but if you don't have an actual source and just use the 'I bet my account on it' to get some extra weight in the discussion, this is the time to be honest about it. You seem to be the only contradicting third hand source.
You don't literally have to defend the console to your grave.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
I won't be buying it either.
Hydrargyrus
Member
Shocking news if these are true...
KotorFanboy
Banned
If the difference in power does exist, studios like ND, SPP and GG will definitely showcase it
Closer to 350mm2.
SenjutsuSage
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M°°nblade;61343789 said:
Say whatever you want, I have every right to my opinion. Am I too positive about the Xbox One for your liking? Sorry, next time I'll be sure to clear all my thoughts with you first.
I don't care if you don't believe me. Surprise! I understand that you don't like any positive in your xbox one negative news, but it is what it is lol.
400mm^2 obviously. Its over at Beyond3D I cannot be bothered digging up the post and thread but your pretty damn close.
CassidyIzABeast
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My question is where is the 5 billion transistor count coming from?
zomgbbqftw
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Microsoft. They announced it at their event. No other figure other than 5bn transistors.
This is not about opinions or being too positive or negative.
Stating a rumour is false because you CLAIM to have source which you 'feel' doesn't get more accurate than this is not an opinion. It's either the truth or a damn lie. Which one is it?
Portugeezer
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Less problems than the 360 they said.
drivingpro
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I'm not buying this console BECAUSE OF A RUMOR! It's just what gaf does *sigh*
SenjutsuSage
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CPU, ESRAM (which is likely 1.6 billion transisters) the GPU itself and the various customizations and fixed function hardware, the monstrous audio chip on there, perhaps?
All of that seems like it would do it.
M°°nblade;61344765 said:
Well, I'm certainly not lying. So, you can make up your mind after that. And the opinion part of my comments comes from your seeming to take offense to my having positive things to say about the Xbox One, as if I haven't also done the same for the Wii-U, PS3 and PS4. Listen, I have nothing to prove to you. I said something and I stand by it. You don't like it? Tough.
CassidyIzABeast
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I know that but I was wondering what they were adding together to get 5 bn. A HD 7770 and a jaguar don't make 5 billion.
Unlikely. MS already admit it is 5 billion transistors. Compared to the HD7970, which is ~4.3 bn transistors and actually 352 mm^2, you're unavoidably looking at 352 * 5/4.3 ~= 409 mm^2. 400+ mm^2 is pretty much the unescapable conclusion here.
They're calling you out on not sourcing your claims, as your credibility isn't verified like some other posters who leak info (I would assume).
CassidyIzABeast
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thanks Senju
AstroZombie
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Well that's setting the bar pretty high..
You don't have the right to bend math to your liking though.
So let's test your sanity -- is it 50% or 33%?
SRAM. 6 transistors per bit. So:
32 * 1024^2 * 8 * 6 = 1,610,612,736
More than 1,6 out of those 5 billion transistors are just SRAM.
Did he also suggest dual APU's. I can't remember but a lot people where. If anyone suggested those there credibility is 0 imo.
I guess you could say that Microsoft has been xboned on this one.
Sounds about right. MS Gambled on smaller process and lost, Sony gambled on RAM and won.
ProfessorMoran
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Why would anyone even try to propagate the dual apu rumour if eventually it ends up being proven to be false?
If it exists in the amounts everyone is saying it does, everyone will showcase it.
It would be hard not to.
This is disappointing if it's true. I would have thought by the time they get to their reveal event they would have sorted any yield issues out as the base level of the hardware would be sorted out.
I hope they don't further reduce the power of their console as Sony is already ahead on paper (in terms of raw power) and any reduction will make this worse.
I hope they don't further reduce the power of their console as Sony is already ahead on paper (in terms of raw power) and any reduction will make this worse.
Sorry did I offend the precious?
SenjutsuSage
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Nobody else on this site outs who their sources are. And clearly I'm in no position to say who their sources are, or how they come by that information, but I've heard from a very reliable individual whom I trust completely, and that individual has said both that this is not true, and that they have heard no such thing. I place extra weight on the person saying it, more so than what I might hear from any site, or even from typically reliable posters on this forum, because it is my firm belief that if this person doesn't know what's going on, then shit has truly hit the fan.
People can take that for what it's worth. If a mod deems it necessary to ask me why I'm so sure, I'm more than happy to tell them why, on the grounds that it remains confidential, of course.
I'm actually the relatively sane person that was telling people on this forum all along that there is absolutely nothing wrong with the Xbox One specs as reported by vgleaks, and that it was quite capable of delivering incredible games and not nearly as underpowered as people believe. I added that it didn't matter how much stronger or weaker it was compared to the PS4, because that isn't important. What's more important is Microsoft giving developers enough power to create incredible games, and I feel they have done that.
Well for that to happen MS will have a lot of work to do and Sony will have to fall completely falt on their face. As of right now those sites you listed aren't that impressed by the Xbox one. Unless MS some how bought up all 3rd party exclusives and Sonys 1st party studios I don't see this happening.
We gotta remember how hard Sony stumbled at the beginning of the PS3 era. Late to market, $599 price tag, Pure arrogance and confidence that they could keep their past user base no matter what they did, and very little games at the beginning... it's was doom and gloom for Sony then, but they slowly crawled they're way out of it.
Transistor density varies for example L1/L2 caches versus plain logic. You cant use the transistor density between two completely different ASICs.
cyberheater
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Sorry. Don't believe in the clock downgrade. MS have already published the clock speeds so this would look like a massive engineering failure on their part.
Good!.
Btw is your saying anything about the manufacturing problems or just the downclock.
actually they never published the clock speed. Just mentioned number of transistors.
Neko Mimi Mode
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A voice of reason.
It's possible they are having some issues, but a clock downgrade is pure FUD being spread from unreliable sources.
Panajev2001a
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There is the possibility of particularly hot spots on the surface of the chip which are also very small in size and that makes power dissipation difficult as the smaller the surface area is the more difficult is to efficiently dissipate heat.
They haven't. He's just making things up.
They did not.
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