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XxSWAGxSYCKxSK0P3x420xX is totally my third cousin. He can have access to my games
Wildstar75
Member
Microsoft will not clarify the 10 Family member thing for now.
Man, something about this really angers me. I have been a multi console owner for years, never really had a problem with what the companies have done in the past.
Yes its a business, yes making money is good, but its never been so 'in your face' as now. It just feels like a bunch of suits have taken over my hobby, and you have to play by their rules. In the past at least it seemed that it was about the games, now it seems its about how can we restrict our userbase to maximize profit? And what of this profit? How much of it goes back into the industry in a healthy way that benefits the actual consumers?
This whole thing just stinks....
Yes its a business, yes making money is good, but its never been so 'in your face' as now. It just feels like a bunch of suits have taken over my hobby, and you have to play by their rules. In the past at least it seemed that it was about the games, now it seems its about how can we restrict our userbase to maximize profit? And what of this profit? How much of it goes back into the industry in a healthy way that benefits the actual consumers?
This whole thing just stinks....
How is this not better than sharing a disk? Sure you can give a disk to people infinite times, but with this 10 people have the ability to play at the same time (but 1 at a time). Also, the way it's worded it sounds like 2 people can play at the same time.
RepairmanJack
Member
So wait....you want to get out a dictionary and define anywhere for us, but you want to wait until MS gives us their definition of family? :lol Ok, you go ahead and wait on that.
Shocking that you wouldn't want it cleared up to focus on games.
longdi
Banned
Why do people think Sony will follow xbone'drm?
I know it is logical to deduce that Sony may follow and/or pressured by publishers to.
But there were tons of rumors pertaining to ms always on drm before this shit storm, but strangely non coming out from Sony's camp.
Such infrastructure is not something you can just come up with.
I think Sony main focus was the development environment of PS4, to right the PS3's wrongs. They are likely also more comfortable with the status quo on drm/used games.
Ms let success got to their heads. The gaming press always favoured 360. The core gamers were singing their praises online. If they could also get millions paying for p2p gaming, they thought why not be the forerunner on next gen drm and get publishers on their side. And i think they have achieved that, with EA, Ubisoft, Activation supporting them with exclusive features.
I know it is logical to deduce that Sony may follow and/or pressured by publishers to.
But there were tons of rumors pertaining to ms always on drm before this shit storm, but strangely non coming out from Sony's camp.
Such infrastructure is not something you can just come up with.
I think Sony main focus was the development environment of PS4, to right the PS3's wrongs. They are likely also more comfortable with the status quo on drm/used games.
Ms let success got to their heads. The gaming press always favoured 360. The core gamers were singing their praises online. If they could also get millions paying for p2p gaming, they thought why not be the forerunner on next gen drm and get publishers on their side. And i think they have achieved that, with EA, Ubisoft, Activation supporting them with exclusive features.
batman2million
Member
This is a sad, very sad time in gaming. Obviously, our voice isn't having the impact we were hoping it to have. this will happen, people will accept it and it will become the norm in gaming.
There is honestly nothing much we can do about this. The general consumer will be unaware of this, purchase system and the stupid online passes or whatever and MS will win.
All I can assume that I'll be gaming far less this next coming gen as I usually get most of my games used from eBay.
There is honestly nothing much we can do about this. The general consumer will be unaware of this, purchase system and the stupid online passes or whatever and MS will win.
All I can assume that I'll be gaming far less this next coming gen as I usually get most of my games used from eBay.
CreateNowSleepLater
Member
How about downloaded games? Buy Halo 4 digital, play it on 2 consoles in the same house. How about XBLA games like Minecraft?
PS3 suffered early because their ports looked like shit compared to 360. Not because of timed exclusive DLC. Now the XBO will have the shit ports with timed exclusives. Gamers who are patient will be rewarded with the superior ports on PS4.
That's the most mind boggling part. MS no longer holds the competitive edge in best looking and performing games like they had the previous two generations.
Uno Venova
Banned
I don't think some answers in interviews is going to take away much from games.
So one person can play the game at a time, eh?
Almost as if the games were tied to some sort of physical media to be passed around.
We could shape them like circles and pass them between each other like a discus!
BRILLIANT.
Sloane_Ranger
Member
"Trade-ins are up to the publisher and only at participating retailers"
So does that mean that they will tell us upfront that the game will be tradable? What retailers? If its timed - like the whole 8 weeks being key - will they tell us? I am worried it will 'evolve' and chance as time passes or based on consumer response to individual games. So we won't have any idea if we will be able to resell a game at all .. which for me will make me personally watch and wait on a lot of titles I would just take a chance on. Bummer if it happens this way.
So does that mean that they will tell us upfront that the game will be tradable? What retailers? If its timed - like the whole 8 weeks being key - will they tell us? I am worried it will 'evolve' and chance as time passes or based on consumer response to individual games. So we won't have any idea if we will be able to resell a game at all .. which for me will make me personally watch and wait on a lot of titles I would just take a chance on. Bummer if it happens this way.
VeryGooster
Banned
I posted the Eurogamer article to my Facebook and two of my friends messaged me with "wtf." heh
Wildstar75
Member
There has been no clarification. See my post above.
If sony did this i would be fine with it.
Something wrong with this thread. I start to read the text but all I see is this:
What do you want to say with this well thought out post?
CreateNowSleepLater
Member
Its also being overlooked that eventually when they turn off support for the Xbox One that it essentially becomes a brick. So you are pretty much investing in something that at some point will not work anymore.
I've always been a multi console gamer. The only major consoles I missed were PS1 and the Saturn. Other than, I've basically had everything.
It's too bad I won't be buying a Xbox One. MS lost a loyal and passionate customer. Live subscriber for 6 years. Tons of retail games. Nearly 100 XBLA and indie games and countless pieces of DLC. Thousands of my dollars and good will....now lost. They're not getting another dime from me.
It's too bad I won't be buying a Xbox One. MS lost a loyal and passionate customer. Live subscriber for 6 years. Tons of retail games. Nearly 100 XBLA and indie games and countless pieces of DLC. Thousands of my dollars and good will....now lost. They're not getting another dime from me.
kerotan_eater
Banned
I think we need to be a bit wary here. It is easy for publisher just to say "we will put X on the PS4 because they have given into our demands". Even if it is a falsehood.
P.S. I'm not defending MS, they gave in like little bitches if it is true, but lets also understand this perspective.
Because "family" all are going to be under the same account like the family gold. There will be 1 master account and the rest subs. The big draw backs are 1 at a time your friend is playing it you can't. If your friend gets banned on live for dropping N bombs guess what you lose all your games. Also you don't think they will find people who live across the country who are on the same "family" plan and ban them for abuse? This is for house hold people under the same roof. If you think they went through all this trouble to kill used games to leave a major loop hole you are mistaken. This is for mult-console households so you can play a game on either console 1 at a time like a physical disk.
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Deleted member 752119
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Even aside from those indicators though, it's odd that Sony hasn't already came out and said they'll have no DRM or used game restrictions available to publishers period if that was the case. That would really be throwing fuel on this fire MS started.
Sure, maybe they're just waiting until E3 on Monday to do so, but that would be dumb PR wise. They could speak up now and totally ruin E3 even further for MS as if they said No DRM/used game restrictions now no one would care what else MS had to show and would be focused on what content Sony was showing.
Parapraxis
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I think that a game can only be played by one person at a time. That said, that part makes it sound like I can be playing Forza and one other family member can at the same time. So 2 at a time as long as one of them is the owner. That would be very cool but I doubt it.
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Deleted member 752119
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That's not been overlooked. Plenty of people have said they hate that possibility and won't buy one because of it.
Others have said they don't care as they always ditch their consoles to help buy next gen ones anyway.
I fall in the latter camp as I don't replay games. But I don't like it in principle as people who collect consoles and do retro gaming should be able to always use consoles they bought (as long as they're still working) and play games they own indefinitely.
All of this.
Sounds awfully fishy and evasive to me, but maybe they just want to avoid saying something false and having to backpedal.
I wonder, could I play Steam games on multiple computers? I'm pretty sure I can't play the same game at the same time, but what about different games on different rigs simultaneously?
If Sony's nose was clean in this they'd have been shouting it from the rooftops for weeks now.
Dude you are being daft. You think the drm has gone from no used games to allowing 10 people to play the same copy of a new game at the same time.
Tinfoilhatman indeed.
H_Prestige
Banned
Anything recent?
SymbolicGamer
Banned
The gist I got was that you can play your purchased games any time you want, even if someone in your family is already playing it, but only one shared account can play the same game at a time, unless they also bought a copy of the game.
What's to stop game reviewers from giving you advance copies now?
If anything this would make that more impossible as Microsoft could easily restrict advance copies with different drm should they decide to.
And no I doubt two people can be on the same account at the same time.
twinturbo2
butthurt Heat fan
I think I'm going to avoid Destructoid for a little bit. This shitstorm is too much.
I want an Xbox One, but I'm convinced that some hacker wearing a Guy Fawkes mask will take down Xbox Live at some point to make a point. Am I the only one worried about this 24-hour check in backfiring spectacularly?
Totally agree with SymbolicGamer's post, btw. That's how MS should have done it.
I want an Xbox One, but I'm convinced that some hacker wearing a Guy Fawkes mask will take down Xbox Live at some point to make a point. Am I the only one worried about this 24-hour check in backfiring spectacularly?
Totally agree with SymbolicGamer's post, btw. That's how MS should have done it.
Exactly. That would be a kill shot but they haven't said anything since February.
shinra-bansho
Member
Cross-posting from the Pachter thread; on further reflection regardless of Microsoft trying to put this onus on third parties, the system they have delivered by default prevents used games at a system level. It actually requires active effort by publishers to "enable" used games.
Any XBone game you buy will be tied to your account and consequently can't be sold unless publishers facilitate it via retail. (Or you befriend the purchaser for 30 days and they can never sell it afterwards.)
In theory, publishers could simply release their Xbone games and do nothing and the end-user would no longer be able to on-sell their purchase.
Any XBone game you buy will be tied to your account and consequently can't be sold unless publishers facilitate it via retail. (Or you befriend the purchaser for 30 days and they can never sell it afterwards.)
In theory, publishers could simply release their Xbone games and do nothing and the end-user would no longer be able to on-sell their purchase.
RepairmanJack
Member
I'm just going to take a wild stab in the dark at how this family sharing will work.
In my family household I have my mother, my father, and two siblings. We have an Xbone, it is the CENTER OF THE LIVING ROOM ENTERTAINMENT. All my family members have separate accounts with varying levels of parental locks and accesses. When a game is bought by the family it is registered to that xbone and those accounts. My brother is going over to a friend’s house for the weekend and wants to take that game that was just bought to show a friend. He logs onto his account over at a friends and his access that's set by parental guides shows the games he is allowed to play that are registered on the home Xbone. He loads up the game and plays(as long as he stays online to be checked every hour).
It's not going to be some magical loophole to put your friends on a shared list to share every game you all buy. That is some stupid magical fairy tail land that literally every detail about the system contradicts. This is nothing more than the current family live account just applied to all accounts and now has the benefits of playing anywhere. I would almost guarantee it will rely on the xbox the account is made on and will need the same billing address. There is no reason what so ever to believe otherwise.
I'm not saying this is bad, but don't make it out to be some console saving feature that circumvents every other rule they have put in place. It's actually a pretty cool feature for a family, but not some drm saving grace.
In my family household I have my mother, my father, and two siblings. We have an Xbone, it is the CENTER OF THE LIVING ROOM ENTERTAINMENT. All my family members have separate accounts with varying levels of parental locks and accesses. When a game is bought by the family it is registered to that xbone and those accounts. My brother is going over to a friend’s house for the weekend and wants to take that game that was just bought to show a friend. He logs onto his account over at a friends and his access that's set by parental guides shows the games he is allowed to play that are registered on the home Xbone. He loads up the game and plays(as long as he stays online to be checked every hour).
It's not going to be some magical loophole to put your friends on a shared list to share every game you all buy. That is some stupid magical fairy tail land that literally every detail about the system contradicts. This is nothing more than the current family live account just applied to all accounts and now has the benefits of playing anywhere. I would almost guarantee it will rely on the xbox the account is made on and will need the same billing address. There is no reason what so ever to believe otherwise.
I'm not saying this is bad, but don't make it out to be some console saving feature that circumvents every other rule they have put in place. It's actually a pretty cool feature for a family, but not some drm saving grace.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Or more related to... y'know, vidja games?
Or they could wait until the conference is underway and shine with their answers AND games, so nobody would even renember that there was an MS conference before.
You can play the same game on different rigs. You long into steam boot up the game, and go into offline mode (on steam). Then someone else can log back in and play the game, and you can too.
Sony hasn't had to say anything since February because MS is doing well enough alone in pointing a gun at their foot and pulling the trigger.
Great, so when they announce something similar wouldn't you have wanted to know that months ago? I know I sure as fuck would have.
Hasn't it been general speculation that Sony is leaving it up to third parties to decide (like MS)? Plus we do know that Sony does not require you to connect your PS4 to the internet at all to play it.
EDIT: I am not saying I wouldn't like to know for a fact, but that their conference is only days away and we will know more than. MS just took the first leap off a ledge, let's see if Sony follows.
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Deleted member 752119
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That's still giving MS a chance to bounce back some first though.
Besides, the first rule of PR is you never sit on good news. If they had good news on this they'd be shouting it from rooftops as the poster above said.
Their system may not be quite as bad as MS's--maybe it's optional disc based DRM publishers can use and thus doesn't require internet access or something. But I'd be shocked if they said no drm, no used game restrictions whatsoever at E3.
Pleasantly shocked for sure, and would preorder a PS4 ASAP to support them if that did happen. But I just don't see it.
Sure, but it's not like we're capable of buying these consoles yet. As long as the specifics come out long before the console does, what difference does it make? We're going to find out Sony's stance in a matter of days. It's not like Microsoft really clarified anything until yesterday, not months ago.
It's not very clear if I'm interpretting differently than you are. All the bolded part says to me is that another person can play from your shared list while you play a game. No where does it say "play the same game." For all we know it blocks out the game you are currently playing from the shared list. All I really took from that bold part, is that although you have 10 family members on one can access your shared games at a given time.
Best case scenario is, it's a matter of timing. Sony's press conference is the last of Monday, so basically the last big event journalists have before going into E3 itself the next day. If their DRM stance is (and this is best case scenario) identical to what we now have, journalists--and by proxy the people who read their articles--go into the rest of E3 with this wonderful post-coital "after glow" of "Sony, you saved us! Yaaay!" and they ride that tide of good will for the next three days and watch the pre-order counts go up.
Worst case scenario, they still say nothing because their DRM stance is more or less identical, wait for all the torches, pitchforks and lynchings to be exhausted on Microsoft, and when they finally make their announcement, the masses will be too tired and defeated to do much more than grumble about it, since all their energy has been spent.
I never thought of using offline mode like that. :O
Isn't there also an option of using data from your computer or the cloud when you reconnect too?
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