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That's this one by dear Durante himself: XB1 = Steam. I thought he made even more compelling points in there.
Wow almost no one read the OP there.
That's this one by dear Durante himself: XB1 = Steam. I thought he made even more compelling points in there.
I didn't jump on you, I told you this thread has been made, multiple times, it wasn't a criticism.You jumped on me, not the other way around. Chill.
Valve could easily do that with just their games and even if that doesn't happen, you still have the option (if you so choose to use it) to crack the DRM (illegal as it may be, the option is still there) to continue to play your games.
You don't have that option with the Xbox. MS kills the servers when Xbox Two comes out and bam, all your games are gone.
You can still play your games even if Valve explodes. The usage of cracks is not immoral (i'm not sure if it will be still legal) because you bought those games anyway.Also backwards compatibility. Provided Valve HQ doesn't explode I can play my Steam games in 2020 on my high end Steambox 3 ™
Its an option. At least you can do something to preserve your collection.Unless you've downloaded and backed up every game on Steam you own, you WILL lose access if Steam goes down. That piracy can "fix" this is no recourse.
Maybe the fourth time, one of them I was referring to was called something like 'XBO = Steam'.
While not all comparisons are warranted, the used games one is.
I remember buying L4D2 at retail thinking it comes with something substantial. It was a disc and a piece of paper with a Steam code on it. I didn't like L4D2 but I'm stuck with it. Any other platform and I would've been able to sell it (I knew someone that wanted it). That paper is now useless and so is the disc.
To say it's acceptable that Steam restrict its users with used games because "we" expect it to be restrictive is just stupid.
However, PC has been like that since forever. I simply don't want consoles to follow in those footsteps. It's one of their few appeals left.
You don't have that option with the Xbox. MS kills the servers when Xbox Two comes out and bam, all your games are gone.
One does not have to see the future to know that things like that just won't change. Are you really expecting console games to become cheaper, and there for have cheaper sales?
which sounds totally likely, because it would sell lots of Xbox Twos.
wait, that's pretty much the opposite of what it would do and wouldn't make any sense at all for a business trying to make a profit.
does steam allow any of your friends or family at your home to play any game on your pc at any time?
this is a killer feature of the Xbox one.
does steam allow any of your friends or family at your home to play any game on your pc at any time?
this is a killer feature of the Xbox one.
The sheer venom that I have seen from people due to this XBO shit is ridiculous.I didn't jump on you, I told you this thread has been made, multiple times, it wasn't a criticism.
And here's why,
- Consoles are an ~$400 investment you make on a hardware device with the sole purpose of playing games, and with XBL still need to pay an additional $50 a year on top to play online. Steam is not, and that includes playing online, voice chat, text chat, take screenshots, streaming (even if through 3rd party apps, is still free) or whatever the hell you want to do.
- Steam is a digital distribution platform. No one really expects to sell or trade in digital purchases, we use steam with that already in mind, however when I buy a freaking game console disc, no matter where I bought it, I sure as hell expect it to work.
- Games are cheaper, much cheaper. Even with these restrictions in places games won't be getting cheaper, and with the used game market about to be controlled, prices for those used games will go up, not down.
- Steam has sales that XBL/PSN will never be able to compete, ever. Bringing up the occasional XBL/PSN sale with more expensive prices isn't really a good rebuttal.
- Steam, being on PC, means games are open to free user generated content, aka modding, both through integrated or non integrated means.
- You can also install games on an infinite number of times in as many machines you want and it'll just work. No work required rather then just logging in. (Thanks eznark)
- Steam has also a guarantee for how long their services will be running. (Thanks Septimius)
- Steam doesn't foce DRM on you. There are more than hundred titles that work without the steam client. (Thanks moonstone)
- You can switch to DRM-free alternatives (or just alternatives) without the need to replace hardware. (Thanks kSt)
- "Backwards compatibility.", being a PC there's never the fear of everything you bought becoming unplayable come "next generation". (Thanks SparkTR)
- Steam improved and unified what was just going on an existing trend, Xbone is changing the status quo in consoles into something way worse. (Thanks KingSnake)
- You are not restricted to buying your steam content at the official steam store. You can go through many other online outlets such as amazon, green man gaming, gamefly etc. etc. The point being, all these different shops can compete, thus bringing the regular/sales prices down potentially lower. (Thanks Baleoce)
- Steam, even though it is primarily an online digital distribution platform, it still doesn't require you to login even every 24 hours. If my ISP goes down for 2 days, I can play all my games. If I take my laptop to the freaking woods, I can play all my games. Oh, and just because it didn't work for you for some unexpected reason, you still can't compare it to an actual intentional restriction. It was a malfunction, simple as that.
- Hats
- And fuck you I just bought Alan Wake, Trine, Trine 2, Orcs Must Die 1 and 2 for like 2€
I'm kidding about the fuck you part don't ban me
Now GAF, can we PLEASE stop using Steam as an escape goat and actually deal with the shit storm that's about to hit us in the console universe?
Why not change expectations? You can buy a PC game on disk and not be able to trade it in either. I guess you could never do it on PC so it's not shocking but since you could previously do it on consoles, the change is even worse. However, I don't see this as a good point.
While true, buying a Steam game disc clearly states the game will need the steam platform to activate it. Non steam games you can trade it with no problem, but it's always a risk because they might have just kept the CDKey for themselvs.
This has always been a plus for PC over console. Nothing specific to next gen DRM.
This thread isn't just about DRM. Steam is integrating this into it's own service, actively making more free content available to users, while in consoles, they actively stop this and force publishers to charge for DLC.
Can't you do that on XBone? Steam doesn't let you share games and many games have DRM on Steam that limit you to 3-5 machines only.
This isn't just about XB1, PS3 doesn't let you do this for example. And you can share your account, although I think that's against the EULA.
What? This confuses me. Steam IS DRM. Some games have another layer of shitty DRM too. GFWL? UbisoftPlay? SecuROM? Only 3 downloads? Only 5 machines? You have GOG and other DRM free sources but generally DRM is awful on PC.
Steam is not DRM, you can play many games you downloaded from steam without even running the Steam client. Yes some games have aditional DRM on top, but that has nothing to do with Valve or Steam.
I don't care if it's a malfunction or what. Steam offline is garbage. Complete and utter garbage.
When was the last time you actually tried it?
The greatest thing about Steam and probably the smartest thing about Valve is that it takes away the need to buy second hand because it goes below the price of used games.
people do this?
people do this?
Lot of valid points, but the "steam has great sales and lower prices" talk is stupid, it's like "DRM and rights taken away from me is okay if the price is right".
Let's not forget that Steam is a DRM itself too.