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Don Mattrick: "Fortunately" consumers without a connection can buy Xbox 360

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mosaic

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I wonder if Microsoft thought about deployed service men with regard to the Xbox One. Soldiers often take their game systems with them. Internet service at bases on foreign soil tends to be spotty; good at times but also nonexistent at times. You can easily be unable to "phone home" for 2 to 3 days at a time.

So is Microsoft saying that military folks shouldn't buy Xbox One either? Maybe they're saying "We DON'T support our troops."

Devil's Food Cake for thought...
 
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Zukuu

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Why isn't this 180 pages already and filled with gifs?

Really, this might be the worst thing MS has said yet.
 
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NullPointer

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dark_chris said:
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He was right.
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Adam Orth said:
The mobile reception in the area I live in is spotty and unreliable. I will not buy a mobile phone.
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Phil Spencer said:
let's say I live in an area that doesn't have cell service. I wouldn't go buy a cell phone.
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Funny that.
 
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Yes Boss!

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mosaic said:
I wonder if Microsoft thought about deployed service men with regard to the Xbox One. Soldiers often take their game systems with them. Internet service at bases on foreign soil tends to be spotty; good at times but also nonexistent at times. You can easily be unable to "phone home" for 2 to 3 days at a time.

So is Microsoft saying that military folks shouldn't buy Xbox One either? Maybe they're saying "We DON'T support our troops."

Devil's Food Cake for thought...
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I don't think it is going to be an issue for deployed soldiers. If the system is online then they simply won't buy it. They will go with a PS4 or current-gen system. It has nothing with MS slighting them...system just does not work in that environment, just as an internet-connected PC does not either. Deployed soldiers generally don't play games like WoW or LoL while deployed.
 
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aronmayo2

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Games have to be at least $10 cheaper right? What is the direct benefit otherwise? I trust that there is one but they aren't delivering the message at all yet. Obviously Xbox Live, Cloud AI etc explains the online connectivity - but there really isn't a reason to accept DRM over NO DRM...other than more compelling software than PS4 (which I think they have but that's debatable depending on taste).
 
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aronmayo2

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Yes Boss! said:
I don't think it is going to be an issue for deployed soldiers. If the system is online then they simply won't buy it. They will go with a PS4 or current-gen system. It has nothing with MS slighting them...system just does not work in that environment, just as an internet-connected PC does not either. Deployed soldiers generally don't play games like WoW or LoL while deployed.
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Similar situation to Google's Chromebooks (and Chrome OS) - it's cloud based - most software can't be used or has features stripped when offline. People that see themselves with no net access will definitely want to look elsewhere. This is probably less than 5% of people in Western markets though.
 
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DatDude

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mosaic said:
I wonder if Microsoft thought about deployed service men with regard to the Xbox One. Soldiers often take their game systems with them. Internet service at bases on foreign soil tends to be spotty; good at times but also nonexistent at times. You can easily be unable to "phone home" for 2 to 3 days at a time.

So is Microsoft saying that military folks shouldn't buy Xbox One either? Maybe they're saying "We DON'T support our troops."

Devil's Food Cake for thought...
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More like, "our customers should have the internet. If they don't, you can go fuck yourself."
 
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rrs

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aronmayo2 said:
Games have to be at least $10 cheaper right? What is the direct benefit otherwise? I trust that there is one but they aren't delivering the message at all yet. Obviously Xbox Live, Cloud AI etc explains the online connectivity - but there really isn't a reason to accept DRM over NO DRM...other than more compelling software than PS4 (which I think they have but that's debatable depending on taste).
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Leaked documents points towards making everything cloud powered and use "convience to play anywhere, anytime" to derail any DRM talk.

aronmayo2 said:
Similar situation to Google's Chromebooks (and Chrome OS) - it's cloud based - most software can't be used or has features stripped when offline. People that see themselves with no net access will definitely want to look elsewhere. This is probably less than 5% of people in Western markets though.
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It's also not windows, which is the big reason it bombed.
 
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NullPointer

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thecharrr said:
Leaked documents points towards making everything cloud powered and use "convience to play anywhere, anytime" to derail any DRM talk.
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always connected/always online -> infinite power of the cloud -> through the power of xbox live -> enabling more immersive worlds -> TBD

They're all shorthand for DRM/online-required. The terms have just evolved over time as people figure out the sleight of hand.
 
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pot

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mosaic said:
I wonder if Microsoft thought about deployed service men with regard to the Xbox One. Soldiers often take their game systems with them. Internet service at bases on foreign soil tends to be spotty; good at times but also nonexistent at times. You can easily be unable to "phone home" for 2 to 3 days at a time.

So is Microsoft saying that military folks shouldn't buy Xbox One either? Maybe they're saying "We DON'T support our troops."

Devil's Food Cake for thought...
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Was that parody? Does anyone else cringe when people use "the troops!!1" in their arguments?

Even if I agree...
 
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Piper Az

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I still don't understand why the connection is needed to "authenticate" every 24h. What the hell is going on??? Why is MS so paranoid?
 
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dominuece

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This clown has my Xbox-only friends going apeshit lol! "Jumping out" in droves. He's gotta be pulling some double agent type shit for Sony or something.
 
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B.O.O.M

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btw for the crap we give Geoff, he pretty much nailed what needed to be said as a response to Mattrick's comment there. Good Work
 
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rrs

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NullPointer said:
always connected/always online -> infinite power of the cloud -> through the power of xbox live -> enabling more immersive worlds -> TBD

They're all shorthand for DRM/online-required. The terms have just evolved over time as people figure out the sleight of hand.
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Yep, and it will be awesome/terrible
 
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Log4Girlz

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There was once a time where people just wanted to make phone calls with their phones! Well smartphones only add functionality. Its not like I have to use an app once a day or lose the ability to use my fucking phone.
 
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Slime

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I'm honestly starting to think there's a cabal of suits within Microsoft that really want them to get out of the console business, so they're doing everything they can to sabotage the Xbox brand.

It really is like they want to lose. Everything they're doing is wrong.
 
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Piper Az

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Thinking more about it, Xbox One is more like the Chromebook. For whatever, reason that's the choice that MS decided to with, wihch I still don't understand...
 
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Danj

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Freki said:
Mattrick: "Fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity, it's called Xbox 360"
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I'm quite surprised that he said that. They're really recommending that people get the previous model of console? What happens when they stop making them, a la original Xbox?
 
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Revan

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B.O.O.M said:
btw for the crap we give Geoff, he pretty much nailed what needed to be said as a response to Mattrick's comment there. Good Work
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This. You can tell his reaction was complete surprise and that he was caught totally off guard with Mattrick's answer. Geoff's follow up would have been my own.

The level of sheer arrogance come from M$ is astounding. I guess when you look down on your customers all you can see is the tip of their wallets.
 
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Pyramid head

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So the backlash is just low-income plebs who are bitter because they can't afford an internet connection? Keep telling yourself that, Mattrick. What a vile fucking clown this guy is.
 
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Raoh

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Danj said:
I'm quite surprised that he said that. They're really recommending that people get the previous model of console? What happens when they stop making them, a la original Xbox?
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MS isn't used to supporting last gen tech.

They abandon last gen OS's.
Abandoned the original Xbox.
Dump failed tech and move onto the next tech (kin, zune, etc)

Supporting the 360 AND releasing the X1 is new territory for them.


Sony has been doing it for a while and has created/creating an ecosystem between PSVita/PS3/PS4 with some PC/Android mixed in.

I don't think MS had a real strategy for last/current gen. They are an out with the old in with the new type of company. They will throw a bunch of retail deals for Xbox One in hopes of people abandoning the 360 and upgrading to justify shutting down the 360. They pushed kinect as a console so that you would forget 360 and just use kinect on xbox one.
 
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syko de4d

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Pyramid head said:
So the backlash is just low-income plebs who are bitter because they can't afford an internet connection? Keep telling yourself that, Mattrick. What a vile fucking clown this guy is.
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yeahe thats MS Logic: Backlash from the Internet comes from People without Internet.
 
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Unknown Soldier

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Slime said:
I'm honestly starting to think there's a cabal of suits within Microsoft that really want them to get out of the console business, so they're doing everything they can to sabotage the Xbox brand.

It really is like they want to lose. Everything they're doing is wrong.
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This is actually an interesting theory. In 2008, Andy Lees, the Windows Mobile head at the time at MS, thought that the recently acquired Danger was a threat to him, so he did everything in his power to take control of the Danger people and then kill their MS internal project, the ill-fated Project Pink, released as Kin and discontinued after just 2 months. He succeeded, and Kin died. Unfortunately for him, his short-sighted maneuvering didn't put him in any position for MS's own Windows Mobile (later Windows Phone) to succeed, and it cost him his job later on.

I wonder if even now there is maneuvering inside MS to take advantage of an apparent weakness in the Xbox division's armor and destroy them. The Xbox division was always disliked by the Windows and Office people for acting more important than they were to the company financially and always being obsessed with their image. If the Xboned flops spectacularly at launch, we might see people setting themselves up for the kill and ending MS's presence in the game console market, which would actually be just fine with the majority of gamers and probably the shareholders too.
 
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BigDug13

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Raoh said:
MS isn't used to supporting last gen tech.

They abandon last gen OS's.
Abandoned the original Xbox.
Dump failed tech and move onto the next tech (kin, zune, etc)

Supporting the 360 AND releasing the X1 is new territory for them.


Sony has been doing it for a while and has created/creating an ecosystem between PSVita/PS3/PS4 with some PC/Android mixed in.

I don't think MS had a real strategy for last/current gen. They are an out with the old in with the new type of company. They will throw a bunch of retail deals for Xbox One in hopes of people abandoning the 360 and upgrading to justify shutting down the 360. They pushed kinect as a console so that you would forget 360 and just use kinect on xbox one.
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The fact that they bothered designing a new model of the 360 that they unveiled at E3 which was not much different than the last model makes me think they're going to be supporting it at least for a couple more years...
 
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Ollie Pooch

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What's crazy is that they're seemingly completely willing to concede that 'no online' market to Sony - weren't the statistics absurdly high for last gen in terms of who couldn't get online? Not even the option of another version of the system or something like that to get those customers. They're gone.

They've basically said they're happy to shed a high percentage of existing customers going into next gen for whatever reason, which seems to be purely DRM related, until they show me otherwise. Seems nuts to me.
 
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