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Sony says Vita was developed for PS4 more than PS3, not unreasonable to own both

SmokyDave

Member
When asked whether Sony released the PlayStation Vita too early to the market, Gara said it was too early to call, but admitted there might be some admission in retrospect.

"That might be a point worth reflecting on in a year or two's time and maybe we'll be answering that as yes. It's a little early to judge, certainly if it takes off now than we'll reflect on it."
This is a bit weird. If anything, they launched it too late, not too early.

I do not consider a library of mostly games readily available elsewhere to be "great". The precious few worthwhile exclusives don't justify the price tag. This stuff with indie ports and remote play is great for people who already own Vitas, but a poor incentive to buy one.
Then I guess that's why me 'n' thee disagree. I don't discount games on account of them being available somewhere else, especially when that 'somewhere else' isn't another handheld.
 

Akira_83

Banned
ok maybe it wont be that great for certain types of games, but it can work for others like racing games / indie games and games of that nature.

sure but why play Gran Turismo 6 in gimped fashion on a low res screen when i could play that on my PS4 when the eventual PS4 version comes out

what the Vita needs is a GT game built for the Vita

same with every other game

sure all the hipster 2d platformers will work fine, but most of those are coming to Vita anyways
 

Allforce

Member
I'm willing to bet a third party introduces a grip that surrounds the Vita in such a way that gives you physical buttons/triggers on the back that will activate the back touch screen in various locations. Like small felt points of impact like they have on various stylus you can use in touch devices inside the grip. They already have trigger grips that preform the same function on the L and R triggers on the Vita and they work really well.

Million dollar idea!
 

Akira_83

Banned
the Vita definitely has some great games ,and i justified the price tag alone with Persona 4 the golden, uncharted, gravity rush, etc

but ill be damned if any indie title ripped from steam will be counted in that list
 

Binabik15

Member
Sure, I'll remote play a lot I guess.

But

I don't get the hype for Watchdogs. At all. I just don't see what people find exciting about the gameplay demos we had.
 
And I was saying that your are wrong to say there isn't a great library of games for it. There isn't a library of games that appeal to you would be more accurate.

And the statement that it has a library of games that appeal to YOU would also be more accurate. It goes both ways, pal. Don't pretend you're being objective
 

Akira_83

Banned
I'm willing to bet a third party introduces a grip that surrounds the Vita in such a way that gives you physical buttons/triggers on the back that will activate the back touch screen in various locations. Like small felt points of impact like they have on various stylus you can use in touch devices inside the grip. They already have trigger grips that preform the same function on the L and R triggers on the Vita and they work really well.

Million dollar idea!

great and now its no longer a portable!
 
I play Wii U games more on the gamepad than I do the TV if they have the support. Been waiting for proper Remote Play for ages with the PS3/Vita, so I welcome the PS4/Vita combo with open arms.
 

XOMTOR

Member
Sounds like Sony is requiring all PS4 games to play remotely on the Vita except for camera/motion control games, while Nintendo offers it as an option, but doesn't require it. Also, remote play o nthe Vita isn't confined to the 30 sq. feet around the PS4, like it is with the Wii U. I can be sitting at my office at work, and as long as I have a wifi connection, I can play PS4 games on my Vita.

Has this been confirmed? I thought streaming PS4 games required a direct connection between Vita and PS4. Regardless, streaming PS4 games over the internet would be horribly laggy.
 
Then I guess that's why me 'n' thee disagree. I don't discount games on account of them being available somewhere else, especially when that 'somewhere else' isn't another handheld.

And that's fine for those of you who own Vitas, but when I and probably quite a few others see a lot of games available on PC or PS3 or both, it does absolutely nothing to make the system more attractive. Unless $250 for portability seems worth it.
 

Akira_83

Banned
I play Wii U games more on the gamepad than I do the TV if they have the support. Been waiting for proper Remote Play for ages with the PS3/Vita, so I welcome the PS4/Vita combo with open arms.

you dont mind the much lower res or washed out colors?

just an honest question

i guess because graphics and IQ are a top concern for me ive found the gamepad useless... i think it looks bad
 
And the statement that it has a library of games that appeal to YOU would also be more accurate. It goes both ways, pal. Don't pretend you're being objective

I am when there are lots of games that appeal to lots of people. To say it doesn't have games would infer that no one had actually made anything for it which isn't true. The fact is that it has 3 generations of games readily available for it which means it does have a large library of games available.

If those don't appeal to you then fair enough but I hate it when people say it has no games. What most people tend to mean when they say is that they want the system to be cheaper.
 

Akira_83

Banned
I am when there are lots of games that appeal to lots of people. To say it doesn't have games would infer that no one had actually made anything for it which isn't true. The fact is that it has 3 generations of games readily available for it which means it does have a large library of games available.

If those don't appeal to you then fair enough but I hate it when people say it has no games. What most people tend to mean when they say is that they want the system to be cheaper.

well discarding the ps1 and psp games (because thats bullshit to count, otherwise wii is the best system of all time) i still think it has a good library of retail games up to this point

but the future looks grim as hell. where are the games that are not indie and come on carts?
 

Allforce

Member
great and now its no longer a portable!

Doesn't add much to the overall size at all, in fact it's tough to go back to playing the Vita without it

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Dragon

Banned
yeah so exciting

watch dogs on the Vita *BARF*

cant wait to perform vital actions using the abysmal backtouch controls

and if i wanted to touch a screen to control a game i would just stick to my Iphone 4S

no sony, give me vita games built around the hardware limitations ( only 2 triggers, no clickable sticks, etc)

I'm really really glad I'm not as miserable as you appear to be based on your posts. Goddamn man, playing Watch Dogs on the toilet is going to be awesome!!

It's a bad sign for a portable when the reasoning to buy it is to play another platform's games on it.

You seriously are the worst at straw man arguments. I've seen in like three threads over the past few days.
 

driver116

Member
I'm really really glad I'm not as miserable as you appear to be based on your posts. Goddamn man, playing Watch Dogs on the toilet is going to be awesome!!



You seriously are the worst at straw man arguments. I've seen in like three threads over the past few days.

:D

Edit. Planetside 2 - On the toilet!
 
I am when there are lots of games that appeal to lots of people. To say it doesn't have games would infer that no one had actually made anything for it which isn't true. The fact is that it has 3 generations of games readily available for it which means it does have a large library of games available.

If those don't appeal to you then fair enough but I hate it when people say it has no games. What most people tend to mean when they say is that they want the system to be cheaper.

See, now you changed it. Now it's a "large library" instead of a "great library." I never disputed that games do exist on the system, you interpreted it too literally (or chose to since you're back pedaling at this point.) I don't care if you tell me games exist on the system, I care if you try to tell me those games are great and then pretend that's an objective statement.
 

kaching

"GAF's biggest wanker"
It might be wishful thinking but a side effect of Remote Play for every PS4 title could be to at least demo what those games could be like native on the Vita, providing a "free" prototype that may help more devs get on board with moving games natively to Vita.
 

Cheebo

Banned
It's already been pushed down as a PS3 accessory in retail from what I can see. My local best buy and target no longer have Vita sections and it is just mixed in with the PS3 accessories.
 

kenjisalk

Member
Making it a companion to the PS4 and focusing on making it an indie dumping ground makes way more sense than throwing themselves against the rocks trying to get western gamers to care about it with expensive exclusive software that undersells.

Face it, dedicated portable handhelds are going to be increasingly niche in the face of smartphones and tablets. 3DS has found an audience here because of the same very popular Nintendo properties, but Sony first party doesn't have that kind of draw, and Western third parties just don't see a reason to develop for either 3DS or Vita.

If you don't already own one you probably just aren't the market for it, and should just move on. Gnashing your teeth at every little attempt to make the thing more worth owning is just obnoxious since you're never going to want one.
 
You seriously are the worst at straw man arguments. I've seen in like three threads over the past few days.

Is this not the same thing?

Fergal Gara said:
When you consider something like Watch Dogs will be available for PS Vita via the Remote Play functionality it's very exciting. And the fact the PS4 is coming out at a well-received price point means it's not out of the question to own both."

When speaking of giving the PSVita a 'much needed shot in the arm' I would expect the response to talk about games and a possible price cut. Not to 'buy a PS4 and play those games'.

Or it's a pretty huge advantage in terms of functionality. There is no downside to remote play on a platform with anemic sales.

I've spoke in a few threads about Remote Play being a great feature, I'm not knocking it.
 

evangd007

Member
"The number of things we could demonstrate and prove was limited - there's been some good examples - but now we go into the PS4 era, that companion device will look far more clear. We're optimistic it's got a lot more legs left in it and the PS4 has given it a shot in the arm."

Companion device.

There we have it folks. The Vita is not meant to be worthwhile stand alone device. It's a tag-along for the big boys.

No Sony. That's doing it wrong. Your plan for the Vita is broken at a conceptual level.
 

Dragon

Banned
Is this not the same thing?

A straw man argument is when you create a weaker argument than what is actually stated so you can deride it more easily. I'm not sure what Sony is saying has anything to do with that. There are plenty of reasons to knock the Vita, I think every fan of the system will acknowledge the memory card prices, lack of system selling games, etc. I just found your statement completely misrepresentative and called you on it.
 
A straw man argument is when you create a weaker argument than what is actually stated so you can deride it more easily. I'm not sure what Sony is saying has anything to do with that. There are plenty of reasons to knock the Vita, I think every fan of the system will acknowledge the memory card prices, lack of system selling games, etc. I just found your statement completely misrepresentative and called you on it.

Nowhere in his response does Fergal speak of anything other than playing PS4 games (Watch Dogs in this instance) on the PSVita. How was my remark misrepresentative?
 

Baleoce

Member
I wonder how text visibility will be on the Vita screen for a 1080p game that's being streamed to it. I'm thinking ahead to FFXIV: ARR for PS4. Linkshell chat etc.
 

driver116

Member
This. lol

If there isn't horrible latency, I'll probably be playing most PS4 games through remote play.

With a decent 802.11n router you should be fine, maybe around 3ms for connection between Vita and router, 3 ms PS4 and router, and maybe 5 ms processing time at each end. Altogether 16ms latency is unnoticeable I think. Yes, I pulled these numbers out of thin air.
 

BadWolf

Member
Its an interesting idea for sure and I'm curious to see how it pans out for Vita.

Being able to play PS3 games via Gaikai on PS4 would mean that Vita too would play them I'm guessing.

So essentially, Vita would have access to PS1, PSP, PS3, PS4, Vita specific games and mobile games.
 

Nibiru

Banned
yeah so exciting

watch dogs on the Vita *BARF*

cant wait to perform vital actions using the abysmal backtouch controls

and if i wanted to touch a screen to control a game i would just stick to my Iphone 4S

no sony, give me vita games built around the hardware limitations ( only 2 triggers, no clickable sticks, etc)

What are you on about? It is reasonable to slam the Vita for lack of games but the device itself is awesome.
 

Dragon

Banned
Nowhere in his response does Fergal speak of anything other than playing PS4 games (Watch Dogs in this instance) on the PSVita. How was my remark misrepresentative?

1. You're a poster on Neogaf, you know other reasons yourself.
2. There have been many other statements about Vita over the past few months.
3. He was talking about how the Vita interacts with the PS4, what else were you expecting him to talk about?

Remote play on the vita lagged like ass. No thanks.

On the PSP you mean? The interaction between the Vita and PS4 is different than the PSP/PS3 or Vita/PS3.
 
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