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Spring Anime 2013 l OT One l All roads lead to this

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firehawk12

Subete no aware
Extras? Complaining about a NISA release with an artbook?
I've said many times I value commentaries, OVAs, behind the scenes interviews, and drama CDs way more than any physical book that doesn't really add much to the show itself.

That's not to say that actor commentaries are really all that interesting, since they're usually just a bunch of people making platitudes at each other, but there are a lot of director commentaries that just don't make it over.

Yamato 2199 actually has director commentaries on each set, but of course they didn't bother to sub those features in the JP release (even if the actual episodes are subbed, which is weird but whatever). That makes me actually spending the 80 bucks per volume to get it seem like a much less worthwhile proposition.

That said, I don't think any anime DVD will have as much as Rightstuf's Aria releases, which have all sorts of video content and interviews. Even Rightstuf's more recent releases have been barebones releases unfortunately.
 

BluWacky

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This is why dubs are bad.

But if you're Japanese, and listen to the original dialogue while doing other things and don't watch the screen... does that make the original voice track bad? :p

(I completely understand what you actually mean - you should pay attention to what's on screen if you're, well, watching something - but still, just poking a little fun)
 

Tenumi

Banned
You sound like a 5 year old.

I really don't mean to attack, but really, he/she does. The dubbing industry has changed a lot since the 90s. I think that's where people get this misconception, due to the 90s/early 2000s attitude of licensing things for a quick buck, when Pokemon, Digimon, Dragonball Z were huge hits.
 

dimb

Bjergsen is the greatest midlane in the world
I really don't mean to attack, but really, he/she does. The dubbing industry has changed a lot since the 90s. I think that's where people get this misconception, due to the 90s/early 2000s attitude of licensing things for a quick buck, when Pokemon, Digimon, Dragonball Z were huge hits.
You have yet to give examples. Every piece I've seen from recent show dubs is worse than what we were getting in the era you are even citing.
 

Risette

A Good Citizen
But if you're Japanese, and listen to the original dialogue while doing other things and don't watch the screen... does that make the original voice track bad? :p

(I completely understand what you actually mean - you should pay attention to what's on screen if you're, well, watching something - but still, just poking a little fun)
Well, that simply can't be helped. But we can prevent the moral crimes of those who do not speak Japanese (in the case of anime) by getting rid of dubs. The less the better!
 
I'm not sure that's the same thing. At the very least, I assumed that drama CDs would be OVAs if no one had to worry about budgets.

Probably not, since many drama CDs are written as audio works and not designed for visual adaptation. Radio dramas are a different medium from television, and require a different approach.
 

Tenumi

Banned
You have yet to give examples. Every piece I've seen from recent show dubs is worse than what we were getting in the era you are even citing.

Of the top of my head...

B Gata H Kei
Deadman Wonderland
Panty and Stocking
Eureka Seven
Gurren Lagann
Haruhi Suzumiya
Lucky Star
Spice and Wolf
Soul Eater

Those series I have watched/am watching in English, and enjoyed. Lucky Star especially I enjoyed far more than in Japanese.
 

OceanBlue

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Probably not, since many drama CDs are written as audio works and not designed for visual adaptation. Radio dramas are a different medium from television, and require a different approach.

If the staff were making OVAs instead of drama CDs, wouldn't the content in drama CDs be written for animation? I think there's something I'm misunderstanding.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
I'm not sure that's the same thing. At the very least, I assumed that drama CDs would be OVAs if no one had to worry about budgets.
Perhaps. A lot of drama CDs are produced before any notion of an anime existed though. Aria has several hours of drama CDs made before the anime was put together, for example.

Exactly background noise for when background noise is needed.
Not using content that was never intended as such.
It's just like podcasts or audiobooks (please use my audible link, lulz) here though.
 

Theonik

Member
If producers didn't have to worry about budgets and were making OVAs instead of drama CDs, wouldn't the content in drama CDs be written for animation? I think there's something I'm misunderstanding.
People producing Drama CDs set out making drama CDs. OVAs aren't part of the consideration. If they wanted to make an OVA they'd try and procure appropriate funds and take an appropriate approach to make an OVA.
Now in a universe where budgets are infinite, drama CDs would still exist as there would still be a market for them.
 

Jex

Member
I've said many times I value commentaries, OVAs, behind the scenes interviews, and drama CDs way more than any physical book that doesn't really add much to the show itself.

That's not to say that actor commentaries are really all that interesting, since they're usually just a bunch of people making platitudes at each other, but there are a lot of director commentaries that just don't make it over.

Yamato 2199 actually has director commentaries on each set, but of course they didn't bother to sub those features in the JP release (even if the actual episodes are subbed, which is weird but whatever). That makes me actually spending the 80 bucks per volume to get it seem like a much less worthwhile proposition.

That said, I don't think any anime DVD will have as much as Rightstuf's Aria releases, which have all sorts of video content and interviews. Even Rightstuf's more recent releases have been barebones releases unfortunately.
Barebones releases are the worst because if I'm going to go out of my way to actually buy something it's usually because I really like it which is another way of saying I'd be daft enough to spend some extra money for a better release. Not crazy, Aniplex style money but a bit more.
 

Theonik

Member
It's just like podcasts or audiobooks (please use my audible link, lulz) here though.
I'm not trying to say that background noise entertainment is an unprecedented thing only Drama CDs deliver though. I'm just saying that entertainment media should be consumed the way they were intended.
(as in anime is intended to be viewed, whereas Drama CDs are meant to be listened to.)

I think it's the female MC from Pokemon B/W
I'm gonna take a good guess and say it's the female protaganist of Pokemon Black and White.
Ass detectives.
 

DiGiKerot

Member
I've said many times I value commentaries, OVAs, behind the scenes interviews, and drama CDs way more than any physical book that doesn't really add much to the show itself.

For what it's worth, whilst they call them Artbooks, the books which ship with NISA releases tend to consist of material re-purposed from the booklets which tend to ship with Japanese BD releases - often including translations of whatever production staff comments were included within.

Admittedly, that varies from show to show in terms of quality and quantity, but it's not like the books are just pictures and episode guides or whatever.
 

Jex

Member
Kizumonogatari was my favorite part of the series, I really hope Shaft gives us word on its completion soon.

Unfortunately you'll find that SHAFT work on Valve time. Except that when Valve actually puts something out you know that it's going to be excellent.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
I'm not trying to say that background noise entertainment is an unprecedented thing only Drama CDs deliver though. I'm just saying that entertainment media should be consumed the way they were intended.
(as in anime is intended to be viewed, whereas Drama CDs are meant to be listened to.)
For me, bad TV exists to be "watched" when playing a game, but yeah, I understand your point.


Barebones releases are the worst because if I'm going to go out of my way to actually buy something it's usually because I really like it which is another way of saying I'd be daft enough to spend some extra money for a better release. Not crazy, Aniplex style money but a bit more.
Well, it's like the Nisemonogatari set that Aniplex released. I was happy to buy Bakemono, but stripping out the commentaries because they were too cheap to license them or too worried about Japanese people reverse importing them made that set a no-buy for me. I'll buy things to support them, but at some point there has to be some kind of line.
 

OceanBlue

Member
People producing Drama CDs set out making drama CDs. OVAs aren't part of the consideration. If they wanted to make an OVA they'd try and procure appropriate funds and take an appropriate approach to make an OVA.
Now in a universe where budgets are infinite, drama CDs would still exist as there would still be a market for them.

I guess I've just looked at drama CDs as something created by a publishing company as a way to advertise the source material which were only used because it would take too much effort to make OVAs. I guess that they probably bring in money to companies like Lantis, though, so they probably would exist even if it cost the same to make OVAs.

Edit: Lol, you can tell I have no idea what I'm talking about when I start using "I guess" or "probably" all of the time. :<
 

Jex

Member
Gundam Unicorn 1

Can't decide if I like Banagher or not yet, but that's okay, 'cuz it took me awhile to warm up to Kamille, too. Audrey is sort of meh to me so far, although I did like her flat out "I don't need you." Also, not a huge fan of the Unicorn Gundam so far, but maybe that's cuz it doesn't look much like a Gundam. However, the music and animation are top notch, and even if I dislike CG mechs as a rule, that odd 4 winged Qubeley-type was a pretty nifty machine. Also: Teehee, Full Frontal.

[...]

It seems like you missed Turn A Gundam!
 

dimb

Bjergsen is the greatest midlane in the world
Of the top of my head...

B Gata H Kei
Deadman Wonderland
Panty and Stocking
Eureka Seven
Gurren Lagann
Haruhi Suzumiya
Lucky Star
Spice and Wolf
Soul Eater

Those series I have watched/am watching in English, and enjoyed. Lucky Star especially I enjoyed far more than in Japanese.
Like two of these aired in the last five years. P&S English dub is plebeian trash between the mismatched and lifeless voices and the fifth grade reading level translation. This is before even taking into account the mangled audio levels that ruin most of the big moments and diminish the presence of an amazing soundtrack because Funimation has their head up their own butts over their shitty dub. Like I don't really know what to say beyond an unfamiliarity with the original making dubs passable.
sub vs. dub
 

Tenumi

Banned
Like two of these aired in the last five years. P&S English dub is plebeian trash between the mismatched and lifeless voices and the fifth grade reading level translation. This is before even taking into account the mangled audio levels that ruin most of the big moments and diminish the presence of an amazing soundtrack because Funimation has their head up their own butts over their shitty dub. Like I don't really know what to say beyond an unfamiliarity with the original making dubs passable.
sub vs. dub

Look, how am I supposed to defend when you are basically taking every comeback and saying "that's junk, I don't like it". Its obvious neither of our opinions are going to change, so shall we agree to disagree? I'll do what I like and you do what you like.
 
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