Psycho_Mantis
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Oh god I remember that thread. Embarrassing, lets leave it behind us. TLoU doing better than UC3 makes me really happy.
WiiU at 4k....yeah I don't see turn around coming. Nintendo were stupid to put MK after the holidays.
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Media Create Sales: Week 25, 2013 (Jun 17 - Jun 23)
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Oh god I remember that thread. Embarrassing, lets leave it behind us. TLoU doing better than UC3 makes me really happy.
WiiU at 4k....yeah I don't see turn around coming. Nintendo were stupid to put MK after the holidays.
DarkLordMalik
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And a Final Fantasy game
(That won't suck)
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
The best selling western console in Japan.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
And a Team Ico game.
I thought someone said JP had good taste in games. 2k and 40-60% - this is why we can't get nice daisenryaku things.
Aquamarine
Member
3DS's six lowest weeks post-price drop:
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2012-05-14 41,712
2013-06-10 41,146
2013-05-27 38,894
2013-05-13 36,162
[B]2013-06-17 34,480[/B]
2013-06-03 32,576Bolded is current week.
It's hillarious and kinda sad but with every kinda-significant game released on the Vita it rises pretty sharply (percentage wise). You'd think Sony would get the hint at this stage.
Also looking at the PS3, it has definitely reached the mass saturation level at this price point. A big pricecut is needed at this stage.
Also looking at the PS3, it has definitely reached the mass saturation level at this price point. A big pricecut is needed at this stage.
Magicpaint
Member
These are still relatively minor bumps. I mean you're still talking about a 13k week. This is far from good for a PSP successor. It needs more system selling software, of course, that goes without saying, but it's not like Sony has a switch that can rain down the system selling stuff, especially not on the first party front.
Poor, poor WiiU.
I really don't think Pikmin 3, Wonderful 101, Wii Fit U, Wii Party U, or Wind Waker are going to pull WiiU out of the slump it's in. Mario in December seems a bit late.
I guess momentum is something you need to build. If Nintendo can keep a consistent flow of games (as in, 1st party games) then they might be able to slowly build back to respectable numbers. I think Q1 2014 is where our eyes should be. That's a potential quarter to lose any and all of the holiday momentum.
With Mario Kart in the spring (meaning June probably), I foresee another drought in the early half of 2014. Nintendo needs a Rareware to fill those voids.
I really don't think Pikmin 3, Wonderful 101, Wii Fit U, Wii Party U, or Wind Waker are going to pull WiiU out of the slump it's in. Mario in December seems a bit late.
I guess momentum is something you need to build. If Nintendo can keep a consistent flow of games (as in, 1st party games) then they might be able to slowly build back to respectable numbers. I think Q1 2014 is where our eyes should be. That's a potential quarter to lose any and all of the holiday momentum.
With Mario Kart in the spring (meaning June probably), I foresee another drought in the early half of 2014. Nintendo needs a Rareware to fill those voids.
Father_Brain
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What hint is there for them to get, though? "Big(ger) software sells hardware (to some extent)" is a principle that's applied to every platform ever, not some great revelation; it's not as though Sony doesn't know that Vita would be selling much, much better if PSP's third-party support had carried over, or that Nintendo doesn't know that Wii U would be selling much better if it had equivalent third-party backing to 3DS or PS3, but that doesn't mean there's anything either platform holder can do to achieve those goals.
On the first-party front, Nintendo at least has titles coming that will guarantee some sort of recovery, however limited. Sony not only has no such guaranteed sellers, but as the sparse announcements over the past year have made fairly clear, they're not willing to significantly increase their first-party investment in the platform.
which isn't that bad, since the saturn was pretty successful in japan. it even outsold the n64 there.
metalslimer
Member
Holy shit so Famitsu Wii U just passed Vita's worst week? I just don't see how they come back from this. They'll be lucky to ship 4.5 milion Wii Us let alone 9 million. The lineup looks decent on paper but when you start to think about Wii U's lineup its really not that impressive. The Wii ___ series could still be decent sellers but there is also the chance it completely collapses. Zelda is a little bit better than a HD port and it's not like console Zelda is a huge thing right now to begin with. Donkey Kong could be a decent seller, but there is no evidence that it will be a big system seller and it is just another platformer. The best chance they have is 3D World this year and that's launching in December. Nintendo might want to start thinking about a price reduction for the deluxe in japan along with some new bundles. The only thingI can say is that at the very least Wii U has a better holiday lineup than anything besides the 3DS, but then again everything else is pretty much dead or dying. Hopefully PS4 can inject some life into the market, but it will probably remain stagnant until its at 30k yen.
kh3 is probably 2016 at the earliest in all honesty. ffxv and mgs5 will do more for the fanbase than pikmin 3 and the wind waker hd though, that's for sure.
there's also more japanese support for the machine than there is the wii u, although a lot of it seems to be headed to the ps3/3ds right now. the ps3 will probably be like the psp and supported far longer than it should be.
DarkLordMalik
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PS4 won't be releasing this year though so Nintendo has the sole advantage for holiday sales.
Is the economy in Japan so bad that people can't afford slightly expensive systems or is it some other issue?
metalslimer
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Well let's see what is possible and probable for the PS4 in 2014
FF15 certainly is possible for late 2014 and may be the holiday title.
KH3 is definitely not coming out 2014. 2015 seems like it would be the better time
Tales Next is probably heading to PS4, but the tales of 2014 could be cross gen or PS4 exclusive
Yakuza 6 is probably headed for PS4 since 5 was the last one on PS3
Resident Evil probably won't be around for a long time
Metal Gear seems like it could also be 2014 and that would be a big deal although somewhat dampered by the PS3 version
GT6 is probably also 2014 for PS4
FF15 certainly is possible for late 2014 and may be the holiday title.
KH3 is definitely not coming out 2014. 2015 seems like it would be the better time
Tales Next is probably heading to PS4, but the tales of 2014 could be cross gen or PS4 exclusive
Yakuza 6 is probably headed for PS4 since 5 was the last one on PS3
Resident Evil probably won't be around for a long time
Metal Gear seems like it could also be 2014 and that would be a big deal although somewhat dampered by the PS3 version
GT6 is probably also 2014 for PS4
AranhaHunter
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The problem with Vita SW is that SCEJ doesn't have enough IPs that cater to the JP audience and SCEJ is just now starting to output bigger budget games and new IPs (Pupetter). PD does what PD wants and western games are niche in JP at best so other games from SCEWWS will not be relevant there. Sony is therefore dependent on 3rd parties. MGS is mainly staying on consoles and is probably gonna be mainly on PS4/XBone. Tales of will probably eventually be moved to PS4. FF is mainly on consoles, spin offs like CC and Type0 have not even been hinted at for awhile, SE needs to reestablish FF as a major franchise again and try to regain some customer goodwill. Same goes for KH, so the focus there will be on main entries which are set for PS4/XBone. DQ can pretty much be considered a Nintendo exclusive franchise at this point, same is true for MH. RE is gonna stay mainly on consoles, and vita will probably be skipped over on this franchise. I mean RE: R got ported everywhere but to vita. The only big franchise I see coming to vita is a Yakuza game, but that would only be after Yakuza 6 which will probably be PS4 exclusive.
Regarding PS3 and price, yeah I agree, I just don't think they'll drop the price this year though. There are some rumblings that the Cell/GPU have been reduced, so that might be a final revision coming and with that, a price drop. There's no game outside of DQXI or MH4 that could give the PS3 a boost IMO.
They will have to adjust down their WiiU and 3DS FCT IMO. WiiU significantly so, 3DS not as significant, but still a good amount.
It really fucking does. Gah, dat Wii-U . . .
DarkLordMalik
Member
Dragon Quest XI announcement for PS4/Wii U? - Could be possible in the coming generation.
Demon's Soul 2? - Rumors are strongly hinting at it. But maybe it is not popular in Japan.
Also was Yakuza PSP really successful? Asking this because we already know that a new Yakuza game is heading for Vita. Just curious, whether it will have a impact on the sales or not.
Magicpaint
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The Saturn wasn't successful in Japan though?
If the 3DS wasn't a factor? DQXII is possible though assuming either of those consoles really takes off in Japan.
metalslimer
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Dragon Quest 11 is going to 3DS. There is not even a remote possibility of anything otherwise unless they are making another MMO which they aren't this fast. Also we don't know a "new" Yakuza is going to Vita. I wouldn't be surprised to see Yakuza 1+2 HD.
Unless the PS4 becomes the next PS2 in Japan its not happening. The only reason X wasn't a DS game is because it started as an MMO. It was probably going to go to PS3 until they saw what a monster Wii was early on.
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Deleted member 125677
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How popular is the Pikmin franchise in Japan, historically?
First one did 500.000 on gamecube .
metalslimer
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500k and 470k for 1 and 2 respectively. Pretty decent sized games although we will see how the time jump, and Wii U's healtth affect the game
Father_Brain
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If there's any truth to the P5 rumor, PS4's unannounced JP third-party support could be bigger than some might expect. I'll refrain from making much in the way of predictions until the system has its first press event there.
If they can time some sort of marketing promotion near the game's release, I can see a big ol spike. Apparently P3 has been on "Most Wanted" lists for a while now.
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Deleted member 125677
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I'm cautiously optimistic. Personally I don't feel like any of the games - except maybe DKCR and 3DMW - are big system sellers.
The reason I'm a bit optimist though is that at some point the sum total of all these games scheduled for release should convince a lot of the fence sitters to jump in. It just got to reach that critical point.
It will be really exciting anyway to see how it looks around the end of the year.
I have no doubt that PS4 support will be strong, at least compared to Wii U, but I'm skeptical that the support will show up immediately.
nah, it sold about 5.5m units by the time it was killed. until love & berry on the ds, it housed the only game sega ever made that sold over a million copies in japan in virtua fighter 2. vf2 was also the only game in japan to sell over a million copies on a sega console.
the machine did much, much worse in the west. that's what led to its early demise (sorta/kinda at the hands of the western division of sega).
AranhaHunter
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Are you talking about this thread as the source for the P5 rumors? I wouldn't put any weight on that as that's just people throwing names of franchises they want. I think we'll find out where P5 will be come TGS though.
Magicpaint
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Well that's the thing. 5.5m is pretty mediocre. N64 was around the same ballpark and no one calls it a success there, and the N64 had a few million sellers to boot. I guess it did pretty well until it was killed off, but the end result remains mediocre at best.
Well they could be planning another MMO DQ! But I wouldn't even rule out another single player DQ for PS4 if it does take off, DQ games usually take a while to come out and the 3DS might be well on its way out by that time...not that that has stopped DQ before, though.
michaelius
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yeah it seems like baseless speculation/wishfull thinking
P5 will probably be 2014 or 2015 PS3/X360 title
Whoa.
If anyone had told me before the launch of the Wii U that this would've happened, I'd have called him fucking nuts.
AranhaHunter
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Even if XI was an MMO, I don't think it would be released on a sony system. SE has given no indication that they will port DQX to PS3/4/V even though Sony is very open to MMOs. I think it will take a lot - moneyhats, acquisition, ps domination, etc - to get the franchise back on playstation. I feel the same about monster hunter at this point to be honest. Nintendo has an ironclad grip on those franchises right now.
That's true, P4 came out in 2008 for the PS2. It's very possible P5 is a PS3 game.
The launch itself was pretty good. If Nintendo had actually followed it up with their original launch window stuff by March, I think sales would be better.
No one to blame but Nintendo. They basically let the system die for 6 months.
I'd say pretty high.
DarkLordMalik
Member
Considering the cross-gen release (PSP/VITA), pretty slim chances
Also why is it so hard to believe that Dragon Quest will return to consoles? Weren't the previous entries on consoles? It wasn't until DQ IX when they went to handhelds. DQ X was a MMO and we haven't gotten a single mainline DQ game on 3DS(Not counting the remakes).
I just want a console DQ game like DQ VIII by Level 5. With PS4, they can have the advantage of strong WW audience and potential for massive sales(If PS4 succeeds).
DQ is a Japan series right now, and the 3DS has a userbase built up that frankly I doubt PS4 can ever even match.
DarkLordMalik
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Mon-Hun was a Japan series until Mon-Hun 3 U on Wii U and 3DS made its way to EU/US. SE can try their hand with a DQ as well.
MasterSheen
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Also SE has already put other forms of Dragon Quest on 3DS in the same manner they did for DS. DQXI for 3DS seems like the logical conclusion
It would also be a lot cheaper and quicker for them to make than a console version.
Right. DQXI to any other system would be a bigger shock than anything else I can imagine.
Sammy Samusu
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You make that sound bad, lol.
Psycho_Mantis
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Theres only two ways DQ11 will be on the PS4.
1)PS4 has built a large user base WW by the time it launches and jrpgs sell well in the West.
2) Sony moneyhats.
In fact it will probably only happen if both of those happen.
Because it is? DQ on next gen or a DQ on 3DS hmmmm I wonder which one is more attractive to fans.
1)PS4 has built a large user base WW by the time it launches and jrpgs sell well in the West.
2) Sony moneyhats.
In fact it will probably only happen if both of those happen.
Because it is? DQ on next gen or a DQ on 3DS hmmmm I wonder which one is more attractive to fans.