NSMBU has legs. Hell, assuming Luigi was successful (and everything points to yes) they could release add-on content for Pikmin as well. You'll need to watch it over a couple months/years.
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Media Create Sales: Week 28, 2013 (Jul 08 - Jul 14)
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NSMBU has legs. Hell, assuming Luigi was successful (and everything points to yes) they could release add-on content for Pikmin as well. You'll need to watch it over a couple months/years.
I feel NoA and NoE making regionally appropriate games would be the most useful in the sense that, if they were successful, they might at least get some more third parties with similar games to consider the system.
I'm not sure how much success they would have there if the hardware compatibility was still an issue, but it would be a start.
DragonSworne
Banned
Wonderful 101 better put up huge numbers or third parties will just have more reason not to support Wii U.
There is no way they will. This was basically their only chance worldwide to stuff channels and judging by the lack of Nintendoland they weren't able to. It's very much a possibility that they'll have to ship more than 8 million for the last two quarters, and that's... well, crazy.
michaelius
Banned
There's a major contradiction in gamepad itself - on one hand people would love to see it used in new and creative way but if it's used for it then it becomes essential part of game and you can't use it for non-TV gameplay.
SolarPowered
Member
Thanks for that. I didn't think Pikmin would have such long legs. There is hope for Pikmin 3 yet.
There's just nothing coming up. Sequels to Wii Fit or Wii party won't find a lot of new console buyers in a time when the casual ship has sailed. Even Mario 3D World is kinda iffy, considering it will be the third Mario themed platformer on Wii U. Trying to sell their console on the strenght of platformers alone is a little insane. The lack of Mario Kart and some big non-Mario thing will likely hurt them this holiday a lot.
Big question: would a price drop really help now? It's obvious that down the line it needs one. But it still needs games for it to sell. The announcement of a price drop will have a bigger impact if games are out compared to the announcement of a game when the price drop has happened.
Best to strectch it out a bit more and make the announcement in February. It's obvious they can't 'win' the race anymore, but it's best they make the best out of it while being patient.
Best to strectch it out a bit more and make the announcement in February. It's obvious they can't 'win' the race anymore, but it's best they make the best out of it while being patient.
So what will it be then? Nintendo makes Mario, Zelda and Mario Kart but get shit because its the same old but will boost sales. Nintendo makes new IP that doesn't boost sales but everyone wants Nintendo to make Mario, Kart and zelda to boost sales. Seems likes never ending cycle too me
The Abominable Snowman
Member
Wii U YTD - 363.451
Vita 2012 YTD - 391.938
Vita 2013 YTD - 576.704
My sadness and disappointment - 335,424K ;_;
Vita 2012 YTD - 391.938
Vita 2013 YTD - 576.704
My sadness and disappointment - 335,424K ;_;
Or launch window title (within 3 months of launch).
Father_Brain
Banned
Well, there's always the chance that W101 or X will be big sellers or that third-party support is significantly better than what's been announced thus far.
lol
I think that this is pretty unlikely
Maybe price drop + marketing push could change a bit, but the game is destined to bomb if a game like Pikmin 3 doesn't succeed as much as expected
Does anybody have retailer impressions?
Honestly I don't think it's especially reasonable to have much expectations from that game.
It's like setting your hopes on Anarchy Reigns or Infinite Space.
My god, I could quite happily [obscene acts removed]. So, so fine.
Snowden's Secret
Banned
I'm always amazed that Pikmin isn't a larger seller, something along the lines of Zelda (maybe it is? Zelda is like a 3-4 million seller, isn't Pikmin much less?). It should appeal to almost every player in existence, is super polished, and it doesn't have many (any?) clones on the market to sop up sales.
The most optimistic expectation I can see for Wii U sales is that two days of it "mattering" before the charts being written up means most of the sales will bleed into next week, and the third day of the three-day weekend wasn't accounted for.
It probably means much more for Pikmin 3, which I expect will probably have a good hold during this week. But Wii U? We'll just have to wait and see on that. The best thing to hope for is that it doesn't drop too hard. But right now the sales are bad simply because of what it implies. Snowden said it best, if console sales were in a vacuum then the Wii U numbers could have been considered good.
Calamari41
41 > 38
They certainly don't get shit from me for making Mario, Zelda, and Kart. I can't wait for those three games.
Snowden's Secret
Banned
Does TW101 count as third party? My take was that Nintendo owns the IP and entirely funded it?
W101 better put up huge numbers for me to have any faith in this industry. I can't take anymore $60 + DLC + Online AAA blockbusters anymore than I can take $2 Indie art games. We need the mid-tier devs to survive.
Extremely unpopular genre. It's amazing it does as well as it does really - testament to Nintendo brand power.
I'm not sure what's so hard to understand about his post. Pikmin is a great game that is able to sell well, however it simply does not work as a systemseller that is supposed to single-handedly revitalize a failing console. That's not a judgment about the types of game Nintendo makes, it's criticisism against Nintendo's poor placement of the game.
The Abominable Snowman
Member
Pikmin launched very close to the GCs launch. I want to say the next week. There was plenty room to grow in sales.
pieatorium
Member
miku i think?
New color (Premium Whilte) was introduced last week also.
I think another big issue that I haven't really seen mentioned in this thread is Nintendo's transition to HD development. There's been a lot of threads about stuff like Miyamoto saying that HD development requires a lot more man power, or how they had to get a bunch of people to finish New Super Mario Bros U and Nintendo Land near launch, etc.
It sorta perplexes me to be honest. Since Nintendo stuck to SD during the Wii generation, and seemed to have made it out better than most other Japanese companies, I assumed they would be looking at the mistakes others made with the HD generation, so they could make a smooth transition themselves. However, looking at the Wii U's massive drought, and Nintendo's stable of safeish games, it's pretty apprant that Nintendo was totally unprepared for what making HD games means man power wise.
Now personally, I'm excited as hell for Super Mario 3D World (in fact, I actually wanted a 3D Land sequel more than another Galaxy or 64!), but I really wonder if stuff like that is going to have much of an impact. Part of the reason the Wii exploded was because of stuff like Wii Sports, something radically new and appealing to a mass audience. As much as I'm excited for the Wii U's line up, it's very much a "Nintendo fan" sort of deal, not something that expands their audience by a lot.
So maybe it's just me, but the Wii U seems sorta like the Gamecube, combined with a controller concept that isn't particularly innovative beyond off screen TV play (as awesome as that is), and far bigger development troubles than the Gamecube had. Maybe this is a bit absurd, but I have a feeling that the next time Nintendo makes a console, they might take more of a Wii approach with innovation rather than looking at what's currently popular, because clearly this didn't work for the 3DS or Wii U.
Calamari41
41 > 38
Yes, thank you. If Pikmin had sold ~100,000 and caused a similar bump in a situation where the Wii U was selling well already, people would be pleased. The story would be "Pikmin sold well and caused a nice hardware bump," rather than "holy shit, the first game released for the system since launch barely put Wii U sales above the dead Vita's sales."
I even specifically said that Pikmin should have released earlier in the year between Mario Kart and another big game. "Big game," in this context, means "franchise game that sells shitloads."
Oh, I believe I messed up.
Took the number from here without looking closely, and it appears I took the Media Create LTD, which is much smaller than the Famitsu one. I assume that's because Media Create hadn't started tracking sales until some years into the GC's life? Same for GBA and PS2.
Actual Famitsu LTD at Pikmin 2's release would be 3,297,975. Makes things seem better for Pikmin 3.
Which means absolutely nothing, since the color was never the problem. Releasing a new color does't make a set no is interested in in the first place more attractive.
shinra-bansho
Member
While I think the 9M prediction was always batshit crazy, the PS3 did manage 7.1M in the last two quarters of it's first full fiscal year. That said, I don't think the Wii U will match that, let alone surpass it.
Yikes. I didn't realise this...
Without a price cut.
1st Course
Member
No GCN was 3.3m as of 2004-04-26 (Pikmin 2 first week).
http://garaph.info/weeklyoverview.php?week=2004-04-26
Not really a new color, but the premium SKU is now available in white.
They dropped the basic SKU now right?
michaelius
Banned
39 39 Vita ペルソナ4 ザ・ゴールデン アトラス 2012/06/14 23万2639本 23万2639本 13万7076本 84.11
49 49 Vita 初音ミク-Project DIVA-f セガ 2012/08/30 20万5808本 20万5808本 15万9592本 74.63
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Altrough I might have been a bit too optimistic - it had nice legs over all 2012 so it ended at 232k so we probably won't know until Famitsu or MC totals for 2013 are published. But it should outsell Miku soon.
Interceptor
Banned
So Pikmin only did 90K+ in 2 days on a console without a userbase and the Wii U only tripled it´s numbers. I guess it´s settled then: This will be our "shit on Nintendo thread of the day" - We should open them in advance so they don´t interfere with some discussion about, you know, games.
The funny thing is, if we are talking about Nintendo's strategy worldwide, IMO they have a much better lineup in the West coming up, and IF they execute a price drop I think they could have a good holiday. For all the justified consternation over Western 3rd party support, the lineup this fall and holiday in the west is significantly better than what Wii U is looking at in Japan.
The problem really short term in Japan is Nintendo has no real significant follow up until late September with Wind Waker HD. The North America lineup after Pikmin gets a lot stronger.
The problem really short term in Japan is Nintendo has no real significant follow up until late September with Wind Waker HD. The North America lineup after Pikmin gets a lot stronger.
Apophis2036
Banned
What were people expecting from Pikmin 3 in two days ?.
Over 90k on an install base of under a million means that around 10% of people who own the console bought the game in two days, isn't that really good ?.
Not surprised at the hardware still selling poorly, WiiU is sickeningly overpriced everywhere except the UK (and only then when the Premium is available for £199).
I love the tablet controller, surfing the net while watching Youtube videos on the TV is great, as is off TV play as is some of it's touch uses in games like ZombiU but it really should have been an optional add on from the start as there isn't a single game outside of Nintendo Land that really takes advantage of it.
They could have sold WiiU with a Motion Plus controller for $199.
Pretty funny to see them pushing Wii Motion plus for Pikmin 3 when the whole 'buzz' about WiiU is meant to be the tablet controller...
Bit off topic but has anyone ever bought a third party Motion Plus controller ?. The official Wii MP Remote is £40 in the UK at the moment !, they probably cost like £5 to make lol.
Over 90k on an install base of under a million means that around 10% of people who own the console bought the game in two days, isn't that really good ?.
Not surprised at the hardware still selling poorly, WiiU is sickeningly overpriced everywhere except the UK (and only then when the Premium is available for £199).
I love the tablet controller, surfing the net while watching Youtube videos on the TV is great, as is off TV play as is some of it's touch uses in games like ZombiU but it really should have been an optional add on from the start as there isn't a single game outside of Nintendo Land that really takes advantage of it.
They could have sold WiiU with a Motion Plus controller for $199.
Pretty funny to see them pushing Wii Motion plus for Pikmin 3 when the whole 'buzz' about WiiU is meant to be the tablet controller...
Bit off topic but has anyone ever bought a third party Motion Plus controller ?. The official Wii MP Remote is £40 in the UK at the moment !, they probably cost like £5 to make lol.
Gianni Merryman
Member
Persona 4 methinks.
I went the long arse way of saying it but this is pretty much what I meant. lol
Give third parties a reason to take the plunge because Nintendo themselves are.
Then again, I have all kinds of problems with NCL management.
Midnight Moon
Banned
Nintendo is doomed, worst birthday ever 
J/K, they will rebound when more titles start coming
I just bought a Wii U Pro Controller yesterday, sometimes I don't always like using the GamePad.
J/K, they will rebound when more titles start coming
I just bought a Wii U Pro Controller yesterday, sometimes I don't always like using the GamePad.
While I don't think the Wii U's third party line-up is that bad on paper in the West, I kind of have to wonder how many people are actually going to go pick up Watch_Dogs, Assassin's Creed IV, and Batman: Arkham Origins on the Wii U instead of the 360/PS3 or the PC/XB1/PS4.
ambientmystic
Member
From worse to bad numbers is not a cause for celebration. Especially for a brand new console that has no peer or current competition in the market.
Get off that high horse already lol.
Yeah, I'm not sure how that game will determine third-party behaviors. If Nintendo comes up to you and asks if you want to have your game funded by them, I don't think a lot of people would say no. Then again, if any publisher comes up to you and says that, I don't know who would say no in any situation.
The Abominable Snowman
Member
NPD is tomorrow
Our "shit on Nintendo thread of the day" tomorrow will be a big one, might be enough to last us until next week.
IncandescentPrecept
Banned
Ok, the best selling Vita game in Japan is Persona 4 Golden - 260,000.
As far back as January we all looked at the Japanese release schedule and could see the console was in trouble as it was so barren.
Somehow those @ Nintendo HQ seemed to think the console could get by just fine. I think the reality is Nintendo were expecting Japanese 3rd parties to jump on board but come launch time they had already bailed so they were screwed.
A very small amount
pieatorium
Member
I don't think it really matters as GE2 should outsell bothimo. I wouldn't have expected too much out of the vita version previously but i think SS and Toukiden have done a good job in establishing an audience for it on the system,