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[AstroNut325]

As if I needed even MORE reasons to NOT get an Xbone... ever!

Honestly... I'm not totally surprised but I was hoping that some of the functionality showcased at the May unveil wouldn't be behind a paywall. But it looks like it's ALL behind a paywall.

No thank you MS. Hope the Xbone suffers like the Wii U. (Half serious, Sony needs competition!)

 

[Uno Venova]

Well MS did it first. In order for Sony to compete this gen, they had to give access to the Netflix app for free. I imagine MS's policy on Netflix and other normally free apps will have to change soon for MS to compete in this category.

I'm not even sure the decision was just to compete since none of the apps are behind walls, it's just a decision that makes sense.

 

[RedNumberFive]

This truly is incredible.

It really is unprecedented. They have perfected the art of selling ice to Eskimos.

 

[Neuromancer]

People forget or ignore that their biggest feature (free games) is behind a paywall. If you don't keep paying them, you can't play your "free" games.

Those devious bastards

 

[ChronotriggerJM]

And according to your logic anyone who actively defends Sony charging for multiplayer is a fanboy as well. MS sees these things as part of a premium service. I imagine their cost for the services they provide is far greater than PSN will be even in this upcoming gen. Could it use some reworking? I think so especially for apps like Netflix, Hulu, and other free apps you can get on PCs and tablets, but Game DVR? That's a cool service, and depending on how solid it is, I can understand it being behind a pay wall.

I think the general consensus that people are angry about, is that it's a fire and forget service. They create the tools, give them to you, and to our knowledge, no longer requires anything on Microsofts end. Now if they had staff members trimming your video's and making them awesome for you, it would make sense. But I doubt that's the case. I would assume you'd make a video, choose your destination for upload, then said service pays for the bandwidth. Unless you can only upload to a new Microsoft video hosting website.

 

[Kyon]

Well MS did it first. In order for Sony to compete this gen, they had to give access to the Netflix app for free. I imagine MS's policy on Netflix and other normally free apps will have to change soon for MS to compete in this category.

They weren't trying to compete with stupid decisions MS makes with putting subscription based media services behind a paywall.

 

[SkoomaSuckinSwit]

It's pretty crazy just how far those people are willing to be pushed in the name of Halo.

If you checked the XBL Top10 charts the past few years, you'd see the Xbox360 is pretty much the CODBOX now, has been for some time.
Half the people on my XBL friends list are buying XboxOne, so they can continue playing CoD together next gen.
Bleh.

 

[King_Moc]

The only thing this adds value to is the competition. Pathetic that they won't let you use the hardware that you paid for to it's fullest potential without throwing a paywall in there.

 

[CambriaRising]

Well MS did it first. In order for Sony to compete this gen, they had to give access to the Netflix app for free. I imagine MS's policy on Netflix and other normally free apps will have to change soon for MS to compete in this category.

They weren't competing by making it free, they made it free because anything else is idiotic.

To your point in your other post about defending the PSN online pay wall making you a fanboy, I agree. Defending any paywall on multiplayer or otherwise does indeed a fanboy make. On both sides.

 

[RedNumberFive]

They weren't competing by making it free, they made it free because anything else is idiotic.

Really I think we can boil it down to the fact that Microsoft thinks we're complete idiots, and they're kind of right.

 

[Nafai1123]

Really I think we can boil it down to the fact that Microsoft thinks we're complete idiots, and they're kind of right.

This thread is proof enough of that.

 

[FranXico]

Really I think we can boil it down to the fact that Microsoft thinks we're complete idiots, and they're kind of right.

"Give them the pretty games, and they will agree to anything."

 

[Lynn616]

I will want to play multi-player on both the PS4 and X1 so it doesnt matter to me what else they put behind the paywall. Most people will be paying for the multi-player anyway.

 

[Prologue]

Short and simple Microsoft seriously fucked up on the strategy of this system. The shit keeps piling on. Sweeping policy changes late in the game, spec changes (even if minuscule) on the shipping hardware, and just a fundamentally inexplicable approach to media delivery. So i pay for Netflix Hulu etc but I should pay msoft also for the privilege of watching on their console?

Why are you mentioning positive spec changes as a bad thing?

 

[ChronotriggerJM]

Well MS did it first. In order for Sony to compete this gen, they had to give access to the Netflix app for free. I imagine MS's policy on Netflix and other normally free apps will have to change soon for MS to compete in this category.

Microsoft gunning to be your All in one, channel 1 had to take a look at the netflix numbers last generation. They were heavily skewed in Sony's favor. I wouldn't be able to convince my mother to buy a 360 for Netflix use if she had to pay for Gold on top of that. It's simply not practical.

If they want in on this market they can't keep that BS up. Now they'll just continue to beat down on gamers, people they know will be buying Gold.

 

[davepoobond]

People forget or ignore that their biggest feature (free games) is behind a paywall. If you don't keep paying them, you can't play your "free" games.

I agree. PlayStation plus is no cd club where they send you physical copies of music CDs every month and you keep them after you cancel.


It's almost as if 60 bucks to play tons of games is a good deal. I'd rather spend 60 bucks a month and keep my music CDs thank you!

 

[SEGAvangelist]

They weren't trying to compete with stupid decisions MS makes with putting subscription based media services behind a paywall.

Sony saw MS raking in the cash because people were buying their console for more than just games. How can you not see free apps as reactionary in order to make a PS3 with an inferior online ecosystem appear more attractive?

 

[FranXico]

Why are you mentioning positive spec changes as a bad thing?

That GPU upclock is not even a "spec change", they are just enabling a faster clock on the GPU via a software switch.

 

[Sub_Level]

I will want to play multi-player on both the PS4 and X1 so it doesnt matter to me what else they put behind the paywall. Most people will be paying for the multi-player anyway.

Thats true, and with more games having online functionality it doesnt make sense to NOT have Xbox Live Gold or PS Plus. But this is still stupid :/

 

[Talamius]

Really I think we can boil it down to the fact that Microsoft thinks we're complete idiots, and they're kind of right.

They're absolutely right. Obviously the practice is terrible, but if this many people are willing to bend over and take it because they've been conditioned to do so, can you really be mad at Microsoft?

This thread is exhibit A.

 

[idrinkalone]

You can use game dvr without gold, just won't be able to upload it.

 

[ChosenPredator]

i don't want to store video footage on my console so it doesn't matter to me personally but I can see why some people wouldn't like this but also you can attach things like Avermedia Live or any of those other recording devices to your Xbox and record offline if you do happen to record gaming footage.

 

[dragonelite]

"Give them the pretty games, and they will agree to anything."

Seems about right for what i expect from an console.

 

[I Wanna Be The Guy]

Have Sony confirmed whether or not this is free on PS4?

 

[AyaisMUsikWhore]

Very much expected. Why would it be outside the membership? It would make no sense if you can't share it via the Internet because that's the only lyrics way to share it. Isn't the PS4 doing the same thing too?

 

[farisr]

You can use game dvr without gold, just won't be able to upload it.

Confirmation or just plain speculation?

Official Xbox.com link lists Game DVR as a feature for Gold subscription (along with other features that are entirely behind the paywall this gen as well, not just partly). Microsoft rep confirms Game DVR is behind the paywall.

 

[Bundy]

Seems about right for what i expect from an console.

You will agree to everthing then?
Ugh.... alright... (sheep)

 

[Kabuki Quantum Lover]

Sony saw MS raking in the cash because people were buying their console for more than just games. How can you not see free apps as reactionary in order to make a PS3 with an inferior online ecosystem appear more attractive?

I think MS is the only company in existence that is putting free apps behind a paywall. You might think it's reactionary, but I think it's just logical. Who in their right mind would buy an Xbox w/ Live just to watch Netflix?

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

They basically forcing you to get Gold. Great.

So we are moving from arbitrarily locking online features that are free on other platforms behind a paywall to also doing the same for offline features.

How do you like that taste of the corporate wet dream cloud computing / software as a service future?

Bu have you seen Titanfall the Family Sharing Plan?

 

[RedNumberFive]

They're absolutely right. Obviously the practice is terrible, but if this many people are willing to bend over and take it because they've been conditioned to do so, can you really be mad at Microsoft?

This thread is exhibit A.

Exactly!

I'd try and get away with it if I could too!

 

[jWILL253]

Really I think we can boil it down to the fact that Microsoft thinks we're complete idiots, and they're kind of right.

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[JudgeB]

Fair point. I shall exercise more caution in making assumptions.

l do agree though that it's a good enough amount where this will be excluded from a good amount of the population.

 

[b0neshank]

I hate how Microsoft makes me feels as a consumer with the Xbox One. Anything they seem to add on (after public outcries it seems) feels like they are just trying to shake the stick with the carrot. I understand the need for a company to have paid services, but damn these guys can't give us even a little bit without making us pay for it.

 

[AyaisMUsikWhore]

Sony saw MS raking in the cash because people were buying their console for more than just games. How can you not see free apps as reactionary in order to make a PS3 with an inferior online ecosystem appear more attractive?

Because we are not Sony. You making baseless argument as if Sony doesn't have absolutely nothing to offer in the online space. Yes, PSN was lacking what MS had but even if it were equal, what makes you think people wouldn't pay for it. Your getting PS+, that's pretty self explanatory. The fact that people pay for it already for the past 3 years obviously means it works and need to expand. And some companies could, you know, think it's stupid to put free apps behind a pay wall.

 

[Sub_Level]

Bu have you seen Titanfall the Family Sharing Plan?

Dont bring Titanfall into this. That game is a separate entity from the X1.

 

[AstroNut325]

Have Sony confirmed whether or not this is free on PS4?

I haven't seen a confirmation pertaining specifically to game recording, but Sony has confirmed that all multimedia/apps support is NOT behind the PS+ paywall. I'm inclined to believe that includes game recording.

I think someone earlier in the thread might have linked to a tweet by Yoshida that mentions game recording is free but I cannot find it right now.

 

[satam55]

Well MS did it first. In order for Sony to compete this gen, they had to give access to the Netflix app for free. I imagine MS's policy on Netflix and other normally free apps will have to change soon for MS to compete in this category.

Sony saw MS raking in the cash because people were buying their console for more than just games. How can you not see free apps as reactionary in order to make a PS3 with an inferior online ecosystem appear more attractive?

Maybe it's because media apps are free on every iOS/Android/Windows 8 Smartphone & Tablet, AppleTV, Roku, PC/Laptop, SmartTV, & etc besides Xbox360/Xbox1.

That statement screams Xbox fanboy. Funny how Microsoft doesn't hide Media Apps behind a paywall on Windows 8/Windows Phone 8/Windows RT but you're okay with them hiding it behind a paywall on Xbox.

 

[BigDug13]

They're absolutely right. Obviously the practice is terrible, but if this many people are willing to bend over and take it because they've been conditioned to do so, can you really be mad at Microsoft?

This thread is exhibit A.

And I wish them luck. They're not attempting to get away with it during a time where Sony didn't have their online shit together. This isn't 2008 anymore. They're keeping their shit policies in place against a competitor that absolutely has their shit together this time.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

I don't understand why people are upset about this unless its a excuse just to rant about live in general. It makes perfect sense for them to be under the same pay umbrella.

 

[farisr]

I haven't seen a confirmation pertaining specifically to game recording, but Sony has confirmed that all multimedia/apps support is NOT behind the PS+ paywall. I'm inclined to believe that includes game recording.

I think someone earlier in the thread might have linked to a tweet by Yoshida that mentions game recording is free but I cannot find it right now.

Yeah, they confirmed all media apps and social features are not behind the paywall. I believe "Share" would fall under social features as well.

 

[gruenel]

Why are people getting bent out of shape over a feature that absolutely no one will use anyway? It's a useless feature to begin with.

I guess that's why there are no game videos whatsoever on YouTube. Wait

 

[Uno Venova]

Sony saw MS raking in the cash because people were buying their console for more than just games. How can you not see free apps as reactionary in order to make a PS3 with an inferior online ecosystem appear more attractive?

Well the way you see it depends on what narrative you want to draw up I guess, since we don't work at Sony.

 

[FranXico]

I don't understand why people are upset about this unless its a excuse just to rant about live in general. It makes perfect sense for them to be under the same pay umbrella.

Uploading the recorded footage, yes, that makes sense.

Merely recording offline gameplay, no, that should not be related to the online paywall.

 

[soul creator]

I suppose a good question for the "AMA" thread is whether the basic record feature is behind gold, or the uploading/backing up part? The "Game DVR" category does seem to imply that it references both parts of the feature though.

More and more I realize that a lot of these complex features on next-gen consoles tend to have a lot of wiggle room, and are hard to explain the full functionality in single catchphrases.

 

[DidntKnowJack]

Doesn't surprise me at all. They have Netflix behind a paywall fercrissake.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

Uploading the recorded footage, yes, that makes sense.

Merely recording offline gameplay, no, that should not be related to the online paywall.

Oh I see...I didn't think about that. Carry on

 

[ChosenPredator]

Uploading the recorded footage, yes, that makes sense.

Merely recording offline gameplay, no, that should not be related to the online paywall.

but can't you just use one of those pieces of hardware like avermedia/dazzle/ or any other device that people who are serious about recording have been using for ages on xbox one? I don't even think you can do that on ps4 or can you?

 

[SEGAvangelist]

Defending any paywall on multiplayer or otherwise does indeed a fanboy make. On both sides.

I don't agree with this. In my opinion, comparing Xbox Live Gold to PSN immediately shows the difference in paying for something rather than getting it for free. I think we'll see the difference in PSN for PS4 as well.

 

[jWILL253]

I like how a couple posters are making the whole "Netflix is free on PSN" thing seem like a reactionary decision from Sony to compete with Microsoft.

No. All media apps were free on PSN from the get-go. Face it, Sony believes in the carrot, and not the stick...

 

[rothbart]

Why are you mentioning positive spec changes as a bad thing?

I think he's saying that them changing the hardware specs at all this late in the game is not a comforting thing to consider because it points to even more shit they didn't have worked out correctly the first time. [this is the part where everybody says "No shit!"]