GrizzledGrump
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Come on now...seriously...
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Xbox Ones Game DVR, SmartMatch, NFL, TV Guide Restricted To Xbox Live Gold Members
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soul creator
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since I see that stat brought up a lot, I wonder how many of those "never connected 360 to the internet" consoles are due to the fact that the original 360 models never came with a wireless adapter, and were ethernet only.
Thanks. Just for the sake of thinking this through, let's say we have 28 million Gold for 50 million functionning Xbox. That's 50%. Now there's a good portion of people that don't use their Xbox anymore, and there's also countries where internet is not such a common thing. The Xbox One is a new console though, so the first point won't apply. For the 2nd point, I believe the Xbox One won't be sold in underdeveloped countries from the get go, so that should shrink the numbers even more so. If you take the number of 360's which are still in use and were sold in developed countries, I'd be surprised not to see a very serious Xbox to Gold ratio.
Now I'm not trying to play the straw-man. But if you're going to throw numbers around, you have to consider the circumstances of said numbers and appropriately reflect them to another scenario if you want to get answers out of them. I'd say 50% of Xbox to Gold is pretty skewed if we're talking about actual active Xbox, in countries where the Xbox One will be available for sale. That is the demographic we should be looking at if we really want to know how many gamers really do play offline and actually can buy an Xbox One.
The Cartographer
Member
70$
I'm gonna go with the "uploading it online" part with the "online" part being key.
Also, Sony has a "share" button on the actual controller so I highly doubt an on controller feature would be behind a paywall.
perineumlick
Member
There should be more people saying, "Fix this shit MS!" instead of people saying, "I'm not shocked; it's expected". Maybe they would do another 180, since they're so keen on listening to the consumers these days. Yeah right; wishful thinking.
What is wrong with that post?
Microsoft's road to launch has been anything but a smooth ride.
Portugeezer
Member
Not that I know of.
But Sony seems to be more logical with as far as what requires PS+ such as netflix/etc and f2p games not requiring PS+.
Wouldn't make sense for this system wide feature to be locked out when you don't even upload footage to Sony servers. It's Ustream.
Wolfenstein7
Banned
Seems like absolutely everything on Xbone is behind some sort of paywall. Even other subscriptions require subscriptions.
rakkadakka
Member
Another thing that most people won't care about that can be used as forum fodder.
This is MS's gift to you GAF.
This is MS's gift to you GAF.
And this is why I wouldn't buy another Microsoft product. I didn't even have a ps3 this Gen and wished I would because of free apps + online. Don't even use my Xbox anymore cuss its basically useless without gold.
If I wanted media apps like YouTube or Netflix, I'll just buy a roku, chromecast, neogear, etc. Am not gonna pay for a subscription for my other subscriptions. Ugh such a shit company as far as satisfying the customers is concerned.
If I wanted media apps like YouTube or Netflix, I'll just buy a roku, chromecast, neogear, etc. Am not gonna pay for a subscription for my other subscriptions. Ugh such a shit company as far as satisfying the customers is concerned.
No, that doesn't mean that over 30 million people don't use Gold. It's not as simple as taking the difference of consoles sold and Gold members.
You are assuming there is only ONE Xbox purchased per Gold member. Meaning that any Gold member who ever bought an Xbox only bought ONE xbox. My house personally accounts for 2 Gold members, but we have purchased a total of 6 machines over the 360's life cycle. Now, not sure how the silver plays in, but I doubt it's that cut and dry as others have stated.
On the flip side though, some households have 1 or 2 Xbox(s), but 4 Gold accounts (family membership).
Either way you look at it, there's really no way of telling what the actual percentage or number is, so people need to stop pulling random numbers, such as 30 million in your post, out of thin air.
GrizzledGrump
Banned
When they say cloud, they're talking about Xbox Live. I've seen MS execs use those two interchangeably. Xbox Live will be running on Azure.
Not related specifically to the OP title and this interview is a few months old, but this answer killed me.
"The same type of way that we tend to put entertainment experiences behind gold, we will, because that's where we feel like we can really create a really magical experience."
"The same type of way that we tend to put entertainment experiences behind gold, we will, because that's where we feel like we can really create a really magical experience."
Irate Drake
Neo Member
does this really catch any one off guard?
im just wanting to know why are your guys even surprised by this??
im just wanting to know why are your guys even surprised by this??
Goodacre0081
Member
I bet in the end, the only thing we'll be able to do with a silver membership is sign up for a gold membership.
GrizzledGrump
Banned
Seriously. I'm on my third X360. Only paid for it once.
Keep grasping, duder.
RedNumberFive
Banned
Microsoft really is just winging it, and figuring it out as they go along with this console, right? I know that a lot of the teams at MS are mismanaged, with important decisions being held up by middlemen and needless bureaucracy, but they really don't have a vision for this console after the 180.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
How about not try to rip off consumer that already make them plenty of money.
dragonbane
Member
You don't need insider info to read what Sony has publicly stated. That these feature aren't behind a paywall. They even made a handy chart for E3 to show exactly what PS+ includes. The only difference to current gen is online multiplayer. F2P games can opt out from that if they want. Netflix and all the other apps are free as well.
Soul Destroyer
Banned
Why do you need to pay a lump sum for a system then pay a subscription for subscriptions?
How does that make any sense?
How does that make any sense?
GrizzledGrump
Banned
Besides the DRM crap, what else hasn't been typical of any product launch?
Seriously, the guy made a big deal about MS updating graphics drivers 4 months before the console launches.
sleeping_dragon
Banned
No you seriously junior? He made a few good points.
Yes.
GrizzledGrump
Banned
Useless? Sony devoted real estate on the PS4 controller for this "useless" feature. Obviously there are people who want this functionality.
Portugeezer
Member
Probably less than the amount which is from users who bought a second console due to having a faulty one.
GrizzledGrump
Banned
No he didn't. It's the typical clueless drama queen BS that has become canon around here. Besides the obviously bad DRM PR debacle, what has MS done that isn't typical of any product launch?
In this case, it was MS staying with the status quo, yet this guy decided it was a good opportunity to pile on.
Zombie James
Banned
They put watching videos behind a paywall, of course they would restrict creating videos.
http://www.videogamer.com/news/sony_details_ps4_playstation_plus_changes.html
So with that and their E3 conf, it seems that what is behing the paywall is:
- Auto game updates
- MP (excluding F2P games)
- Cloud saves
That's it.
MikeE21286
Member
Same for ps4?
Reading through this thread, the same people who are okay with/defending MS continuing to put 90% of their console behind a pay wall are the same people who defend everything MS does and says.
It's pretty crazy just how far those people are willing to be pushed in the name of Halo.
It's pretty crazy just how far those people are willing to be pushed in the name of Halo.
Nightengale
Member
Fair point. I shall exercise more caution in making assumptions.
Just like DRM, amirite?
WrenchNinja
Member
Well I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.
What about people who only use their consoles for things besides games?
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
You can't even use the fucking internet browser unless you have gold(irc). Not sure why this would surprise anyone.
RedNumberFive
Banned
Is there a term for pushing to a higher level of Stockholm Syndrome? If not, there needs to be.
At this point it's news if something isn't behind the XBL paywall, so I automatically assumed that this is.
Tbh ever since this whole 180 bs they've been pulling I've been expecting them to announce Netflix isn't behind the paywall on XBO, but that doesn't look like it's going to happen.
Tbh ever since this whole 180 bs they've been pulling I've been expecting them to announce Netflix isn't behind the paywall on XBO, but that doesn't look like it's going to happen.
They've been doing this for years, Durante.
They arbitrarily delay game demos for non-gold users, for instance. I wouldn't call that an "online" feature either. And most online games used peer-to-peer connections, not servers.
It's always been about arbitrarily inflating the value of Gold to get people to accept the notion of a paywall for online gaming.
Sony's doing the same thing with PSN+, except they're using a bait and switch tactic (start PSN+ as a discount/free games service, transition it to a multiplayer paywall and make the deals on discounts and "free" games less generous over time). You WILL see PSN+ libraries grow more slowly over the next few years than they have previously.
According to this article:
"The subscription isnt required for automatic updates."
I'm not entirely sure what updates that refers to, maybe just like automatic firmware updates?
Putting it elsewhere indeed.
SEGAvangelist
Member
It could be that those people OK with the pay wall actually like the services that are offered. Xbox Live has always been far ahead of PSN and if it takes a fee to make that happen, I'm all for it. PS + is a great deal, but it doesn't make PSN any better for online gaming. Obviously this could change for PS4, but I'll wait to see it, first.
You're also assuming Xbox One is a Halo box. That's like saying PS4 is an Uncharted box... completely ridiculous.
I don't think anyone is really shocked that Microsoft is arbitrarily doing this, what I find shocking is that several people are trying to legitimize/justify Microsoft's reasoning/thinking on this topic. It really comes down to "because we f*cking can and you'll gobble that sh*t up" nothing more, nothing new.
ChronotriggerJM
Member
Really not surprising, wasn't twitter and facebook behind a paywall on the 360?
Personally my single-player-that-doesn't-need-to-be-online clock time heavily outweighs online multiplayer to ever justify subscribing to XBL.
PS+ I'm already subscribed to because they offer alot of single-player-that-doesn't-need-to-be-online games to play.