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Xbox One’s Game DVR, SmartMatch, NFL, TV Guide Restricted To Xbox Live Gold Members

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SwiftDeath

Member
Nerfgun said:
Several juries have attempted to assess this, to be fair.
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I see what you did there :D

jond76 said:
Netflix is cool for me on Xbox. Voice commands were a godsend when we first had our child.
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See and I understand that

The X1 in every iteration thus far will appeal to someone somewhere

Personally though I think it doesn't appeal to the majority as much as it should

I believe you should give customers options and then try to properly incentivize them to use your service/product

I.E. non-mandatory kinect, give us benefits to digital purchases etc.

I see no reason why all these non-MS run apps need to be behind the paywall when so many xbox customers don't have gold
 
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NullPointer

Member
Silly.Mikey said:
If they keep giving away games every month and with the dedicated servers for all games with that cloud thing on top of that, its definitely more worth the $ it than it is now.
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This is true. I've only had PSN+ for what, two months now and its already way beyond being worth it. I have a bunch of great games on the HDD ready to go and some others I wouldn't have even bothered with otherwise.

Oh shit, are you talking about Gold? Yeah, about those free games...
 
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SlowRevolution

Member
I don't really get why considering it's Microsoft and I should have expected it, but I'm kind of surprised the TV Guide especially is behind a paywall too.
 
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farisr

Member
EvB said:
And are you now?
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Well since the 180, I did decide that I will indeed buy the console sometime this gen (still have an issue with the kinect plugged in requirement though, and as a result won't buy it until it's really cheap, unless they remove that requirement). But pulling crap like this makes me rethink it and feel like I should not support them at all.
 
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iceatcs

Junior Member
soul creator said:
I believe every 360 app is made by MS. They also tend to play up the Kinect and system-wide Bing integration for reasons why someone would want to pay for it on an Xbox, rather than use it on something else.

I wonder how much of this changes though on Xbox One, since it has the Windows 8 core for apps, and obviously not every Windows 8 app is made directly by MS.
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Ah, yeah I didn't much 360 while Kinect start on the market. It seem more likely are made by MS.
I'm wonder about App Store if they allow on Xbox, I mean non-game stuff. I hope not they might block the media content apps just because have to use full OS internal support with kinect voice etc..
 
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Eusis

Member
Alebrije said:
So the real price for XBONE is $559.00 U.S.
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If $60 were the fee for a lifetime of Xbox Live I don't think anywhere near as many people would care. It'd just be "what? That's kind of dumb", pay, and move on, but at least then you could sort of rationalize it as buying a game console for $500, then buying a Roku+ with online MP for games for $60.

... On that note, where the hell did 98 cents go in your calculation?
 
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Silly.Mikey

Banned
NullPointer said:
This is true. I've only had PSN+ for what, two months now and its already way beyond being worth it. I have a bunch of great games on the HDD ready to go and some others I wouldn't have even bothered with otherwise.

Oh shit, are you talking about Gold? Yeah, about those free games...
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What about them?
 
CassidyIzABeast

CassidyIzABeast

Member
SwiftDeath said:
I'm curious about this on both systems to be honest

Considering there is no BC on retail or digital games for either system there really isn't a backlog to draw from

Personally think MS won't do free games for at least 6 months to a year IF EVER

For sony though, they at least offer some of Driveclub plus all their FTP games

What sony offers for the first 6 months should be interesting

May offer us free indie games which I'm okay with
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Microsoft might not put up many titles for a good while but I don't think they would stop third parties or indies from doing it if they wanted to.
 
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MaGlock

Member
Would have been a much better way to pimp the drm if they had just gotten rid of paying in general. Gold is free to all users but your Internet is required at least for the check in. At least that would have lessened the blow of physical trade ins to select retailers.
 
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SwiftDeath

Member
farisr said:
Well since the 180, I did decide that I will indeed buy the console sometime this gen (still have an issue with the kinect plugged in requirement though, and as a result won't buy it until it's really cheap, unless they remove that requirement). But pulling crap like this makes me rethink it and feel like I should not support them at all.
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Wow this is like my exact thoughts on it

Wouldn't but the original xbox one

Been planning on buying a X1 with price drops and the next Halo, maybe dead rising 3 at some point

But dislike the kinect requirement, mainly due to the targeted ads nonsense

But MS really keeps making me want to not support them as well :(

CassidyIzABeast said:
Microsoft might not put up many titles for a good while but I don't think they would stop third parties or indies from doing it if they wanted to.
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Hmm pretty sure it's Sony making deals with publishers that gets free games not sure

Doubt pubs really like to give away games for free

MaGlock said:
Would have been a much better way to pimp the drm if they had just gotten rid of paying in general. Gold is free to all users but your Internet is required at least for the check in. At least that would have lessened the blow of physical trade ins to select retailers.
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This would've been a great and terrible idea

Great because it would likely have worked and really changed up the value proposition argument

Terrible because it would have likely worked...
 
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ToyBroker

Banned
SwiftDeath said:
I'm curious about this on both systems to be honest

Considering there is no BC on retail or digital games for either system there really isn't a backlog to draw from

Personally think MS won't do free games for at least 6 months to a year IF EVER

For sony though, they at least offer some of Driveclub plus all their FTP games

What sony offers for the first 6 months should be interesting

May offer us free indie games which I'm okay with
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Yeah, it's definitely more than just Driveclub and some F2P games at launch and window.

We're getting a ton of high quality indie games as well.
 
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jond76

Banned
NullPointer said:
Yep. As somebody who might want to buy the Xbox One PURELY for its media capabilities they'll need a Gold sub in addition to their Cable sub and their Internet sub.

Good job, MS. Lets see how well that goes for you..
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Who would buy an Xbox purely for for its media capabilities? And if they decided to, then surely they would find something justifying a subscription, otherwise they WOULDN'T buy it.
 
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Lebron

Member
Not shocking. Most of the perks and features for the 360 XBL required XBL Gold. Lucky I stocked up on those 12 month cards when they were like 30 bucks.
 
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eorl

Banned
Quick everyone, grab your pitchforks because this clearly wasn't coming! Honestly it seems like if you don't have PlayStation Plus or Xbox Live Gold this next-gen, you are kind of getting the short end of the stick. Not sure why everyone is jumping up and down about this.

Or is this just standard practice?
 
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NullPointer

Member
jond76 said:
Who would buy an Xbox purely for for its media capabilities? And if they decided to, then surely they would find something justifying a subscription, otherwise they WOULDN'T buy it.
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How about all the people MS was talking to during the initial reveal? Keeping games at arms length and focusing on TV, Sports, TV, and Sports?

I just see MS acting at cross purposes to themselves. Makes no long term sense to me.

But to specifically answer the question of who would buy an Xbox purely for its media features? Nobody. And that's precisely my point.

I've been asked my take on the consoles by a bunch of non-gamer or potential-gamer people this gen, and I recommend the PS3. At this point it looks like I'll also recommend the PS4. Why? Because you don't need a sub to use apps and media features or to dabble in the games.
 
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Tobor

Member
Eusis said:
In reference to the 360 it holds more than well enough, they won't be pulling this sort of shit late into a generation.

And while I'm guessing this might not apply to Microsoft's current thought processes, LOGICALLY you keep those free to access because you gain additional revenue that way: people will buy your system to at least play SP games and maybe decide to jump on a Gold subscription to get more out of some of the biggest games, and DLC similarly is buying bits of extra content so why put a barrier to them giving you money?

Of course those were probably joke replies but whatever.

I suspect, somewhat ironically, it'll be more the expanded audience that Microsoft wants with XB1 that will help there. There'll be serious gamers that absolutely have to have Titanfall and ignore PC outright (or the fact it's a timed exclusive and as such may show up on PS4 anyway before too long), or have to have Forza, Halo, and/or Dead Rising 3 and so buy it. Meanwhile those who aren't as invested in games but want a media box that their family or room/housemates will play, ARE being mindful they want something more hardcore, but see the subscriptions and higher price tag for XB1 and write it off in favor of PS4. And hell, if there's one thing Sony holds it's the stronger association with electronics anyway, so just as a movie player Sony'd rank higher than Microsoft for most people I'd assume.
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LOGIC has no bearing on this discussion. The logical thing to do would be to allow your users to upload video for free, since its FREE FUCKING ADVERTISING for your platform. The logical thing to do would be to give your users access to services they already pay for. The logical thing to do would be to build REAL value into your service.

Logic and Microsoft parted ways a long time ago.
 
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farisr

Member
jond76 said:
Who would buy an Xbox purely for for its media capabilities? And if they decided to, then surely they would find something justifying a subscription, otherwise they WOULDN'T buy it.
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Note: "who might want to buy"

and also, their initial reveal was catered towards these users. No mention of a subscription at that point, so yes, they would have an issue when they find out a subscription is needed and a lot won't buy the system as a result, that's the whole point of his post.

Edit: oh he posted ahead of me.
 
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silver.tongue

Member
SwiftDeath said:
Wow this is like my exact thoughts on it

Wouldn't but the original xbox one

Been planning on buying a X1 with price drops and the next Halo, maybe dead rising 3 at some point

But dislike the kinect requirement, mainly due to the targeted ads nonsense

But MS really keeps making me want to not support them as well :(



Hmm pretty sure it's Sony making deals with publishers that gets free games not sure

Doubt pubs really like to give away games for free



This would've been a great and terrible idea

Great because it would likely have worked and really changed up the value proposition argument

Terrible because it would have likely worked...
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Well, with Sony charging for online and work+studies demanding more of my time, I can totally see a PS4 only gen for me..

Even though I got my 360 first and my Wii second, I barely touch them nowadays.
 
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Razdek

Banned
Wonder if we'll add Xbone to the current list of Microsoft failed products that launched in the last few years (Windows 8, Windows Phone 8, Surface, etc.)
 
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Eusis

Member
Tobor said:
LOGIC has no bearing on this discussion. The logical thing to do would be to allow your users to upload video for free, since its FREE FUCKING ADVERTISING for your platform. The logical thing to do would be to give your users access to services they already pay for. The logical thing to do would be to build REAL value into your service.

Logic and Microsoft parted ways a long time ago.
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Admittedly I kind of expect their logic is "did they pay for this?", but they ask this EVERY MOTHER FUCKING TIME and without fully thinking it through. So you bought your SP game, and you bought the DLC for that, but you didn't PAY for Netflix access on your Xbox 360, just for Netflix access in general, so as they didn't see a cut they don't want to let you use it, and I'm guessing similar applies to DVR (DID YOU PAY TO UPLOAD YOUR VIDEO?), though to me the TV guide thing should've been an obvious "did you pay for the Xbox One?", but I guess keeping track of cable services justifies it in their heads.

And it's very shortsighted logic, given conceding on some of these points generates value and profit that way: people want to buy a PS3 to play blu-rays and stream Netflix, and so they end up looking into their games to make more use of the system. Likewise with DVR like you said it's free advertising, though I guess maybe you can only watch streams on XB1 or something... wouldn't be surprised if that was Gold exclusive too.
 
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Shivin

Neo Member
eorl said:
Quick everyone, grab your pitchforks because this clearly wasn't coming! Honestly it seems like if you don't have PlayStation Plus or Xbox Live Gold this next-gen, you are kind of getting the short end of the stick. Not sure why everyone is jumping up and down about this.

Or is this just standard practice?
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Personally, I feel like I'll be getting more value for my XBOX live sub with this generation than I did with the last one.
 
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Eusis

Member
GamerTime said:
Core guys will buy no matter what

#DealWithIt!
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That's what I thought about the $500/600 PS3.

It's because I was wrong there that we're having this discussion. The fact they're in the lead for console sales in the US but NOT Netflix streaming seems to indicate that, no, consumers really aren't QUITE as blindly tolerant of this as you'd think.
 
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SwiftDeath

Member
silver.tongue said:
Well, with Sony charging for online and work+studies demanding more of my time, I can totally see a PS4 only gen for me..

Even though I got my 360 first and my Wii second, I barely touch them nowadays.
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Yeah I think the dual subscription models for XBL & PSN will curtail ownership of both a bit

Not sure how much

Perfectly understandable to me

No way I'm buying a X1 for $500

That's way overpriced to me

Drop it to $300 - 350 and maybe I'll bite

Edit: I mean having a paid subscription for multiplayer on both X1 and Ps4 will likely curtail ownership of both systems somewhat
 
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medze

Member
Shivin said:
Personally, I feel like I'll be getting more value for my XBOX live sub with this generation than I did with the last one.
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Only MS could put free apps behind a paywall and market it as a better value.

ChiliManiac said:
I really don't see the problem, Sony and Microsoft this upcoming generation are both paid services...so we have to change our way of thinking about this whole thing. As a gamer, are you really just going to use your box to watch netflix?
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No, I'll use my box to watch netflix, play single player games, record and/or stream video, browse the web, watch twitch.tv, download demos, play f2p games. Then again, my box will likely be a PS4, where I don't have to pay for all of these free services.
 
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ChiliManiac

Banned
I really don't see the problem, Sony and Microsoft this upcoming generation are both paid services...so we have to change our way of thinking about this whole thing. As a gamer, are you really just going to use your box to watch netflix?
 
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General Choomin

Banned
Barzul said:
Makes sense, Microsoft is trying to incentivize people to sign up for Gold. Locking some of these features has clearly worked for them this Gen. I would however like subscription apps like Netflix get in front of the paywall.
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I agree and I think Sony is doing the same thing. Just in different ways. Microsoft is putting basically everything that should be free behind a paywall to make people want to pay for Gold while Sony is providing games every other week to get people to sign up.

From what I see, the Sony incentives are a million times better since instead of denying a majority of features, they are providing gaming content.

Shame on microsoft.
 
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bishoptl

Banstick Emeritus
I don't even have to click on "Public Profile" anymore to ascertain accurate guesses - within days! - of when certain posters registered.
 
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Silly.Mikey

Banned
General Choomin said:
I agree and I think Sony is doing the same thing. Just in different ways. Microsoft is putting basically everything that should be free behind a paywall to make people want to pay for Gold while Sony is providing games every other week to get people to sign up.

From what I see, the Sony incentives are a million times better since instead of denying a majority of features, they are providing gaming content.

Shame on microsoft.
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What games will Sony give at launch of the ps4?
 
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Quadraphonic

Member
CassidyIzABeast said:
Microsoft might not put up many titles for a good while but I don't think they would stop third parties or indies from doing it if they wanted to.
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Microsoft ACTIVELY prohibits developers from putting up free content. Marble Blast Ultra wanted to make some DLC free and Microsoft FORCED them to add a price. Same with all the Left 4 Dead maps.

Microsoft wants a cut of everything and they'll actively kill any generosity.
 
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ChiliManiac

Banned
medze said:
Only MS could put free apps behind a paywall and market it as a better value.



No, I'll use my box to watch netflix, play single player games, record and/or stream video, browse the web, watch twitch.tv, download demos, play f2p games. Then again, my box will likely be a PS4, where I don't have to pay for all of these free services.
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If you have a PS+ membership your argument is invalid, otherwise I can see your dilemma.
 
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JaggedSac

Member
General Choomin said:
I agree and I think Sony is doing the same thing. Just in different ways. Microsoft is putting basically everything that should be free behind a paywall to make people want to pay for Gold while Sony is providing games every other week to get people to sign up.

From what I see, the Sony incentives are a million times better since instead of denying a majority of features, they are providing gaming content.

Shame on microsoft.
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I'm very curious to know what Sony does with these free games once PSN+ becomes a lot bigger than it is now due to having locked multiplayer behind it. I imagine they have to pay companies based on how many people download their game or something during the free period. Once it becomes the size of the Gold userbase, it should be interesting to see what happens. Nothing like giving a recent game out for free to a 25 million user userbase.

On topic, yes, locking the media shit behind gold is refuckingtarded.
 
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Magwik

Banned
Expected all except for the TV guide. Now that is just stupid. Hopefully there will be a "membership required for use of all features" disclaimer on advertisements and maybe even the (packaging) box itself.
 
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