Are we living in a universe where people don't take a break from their console? Just plug the thing in when you're done.
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CVG: Xbox 360 controller vs. Xbox One controller
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Neither of these scenarios ever comes up. I've played for 8 hours at a time using a DS3. You plug in the cable when you're done.
It's not complex, it's just cumbersome and unnecessary. it's still 15 seconds of nuisance vs. 1 second at the end of a gaming session every once in a while. I've owned both Xbox 360 and PS3 this gen and gamed tons on both, I hated swapping out batteries on the 360 pad.
If your controller dies while playing? Would you not have to wire it?
goldenpp72
Member
Because you have to open the battery pack, remove the batteries, take out the new batteries, then insert the new batteries into the socket, then carefully slide the battery pack in place and make sure it grips in real nice. They like when you pat your head while trying to do it as well, sometimes you have to use a bit of foreplay just to get them in.
poopninjamvc3mk
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With the looser sticks, hopefully it will now be able to precision of Dualshock 3 sticks. That deadzone in the 360 controller was annoying as hell.
Can't you two just agree to disagree? People prefer different things... Some like their wireless controllers completely wireless, and some like them mostly wireless.
How long are you playing?
You never have to wire it if you don't want to.
Drop it in every few days / week to charger over night. Never have to worry about being low on charge, never have to fiddle with batteries.
New 360 pads don't have the deadzone issue (at least the ones I owned)
The problem occurred over time and eventually they get nasty drift (where it seemingly starts moving in one direction without input)
DS3's sticks are too loose. It messes with precision.
How long are your gaming sessions that you actually have to cable your controller while playing? Don't you just plug it back in to charge when done so that is never an issue?
DS3's battery lasts for 30+ hour afaik. The DS4's battery is greater in capacity (1000 mAh vs 570 mAh) and is using newer lithium ion tech, so should last even longer (50+ hours most probably) and charge much quicker too (USB3.0). Add to that a 1800 mAh replacement lithium ion battery is only $7 to $10 (cheaper than a new set of Eneloops lol).
Considering you can charge the DS4 whilst the console is turned off, it's a pretty lame, even somewhat comical excuse to bring up tethering. If you can't remember to plug in your controller for just 30mins when you're not playing just once a week or whatever, you have bigger issues.
You forgot the wall charger that has to go with those bulky AA batteries. But yea, it is quite hilarious. The mental gymnastics involved are amusing.
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NinjaFridge
Unconfirmed Member
Buying extra batteries is reasonable, buying a longer USB cable apparently isn't.
Was seriously thinking the same thing.
And apparently eneloops are so cheap they just fall from the sky on cloudy days.
It should charge roughly the same
USB 2 is 2.5 W
USB 3 is 4.5 W
1.75 times capacity vs 1.8 times power draw
The debate on which is better, AA's or internal battery is simple. Those who have rechargeables for other things already don't mind or prefer AA. They've already paid for their chargers and batteries. Those who don't need rechargeables for other devices hate the AA's, they have to go out and spend $20 for eneloops to use the console.
I like internal batteries, if i bought a console i'd just buy a $2 USB extension cable and i'm set. I never jumped on the rechargable bandwagon. Most things i have have internal batteries, my cameras have battery packs, and i like regular cheap alkaline batteries in my flashlights when i go hunting and fishing (it's nice to have many spares for yourself and your partners, and there's times you need spare batteries and you are nowhere near a place you could charge batteries).
I almost bought a really nice La Crosse charger and a set of eneloops years ago, but i'm glad i didn't, there's little use for them anymore these days.
I like internal batteries, if i bought a console i'd just buy a $2 USB extension cable and i'm set. I never jumped on the rechargable bandwagon. Most things i have have internal batteries, my cameras have battery packs, and i like regular cheap alkaline batteries in my flashlights when i go hunting and fishing (it's nice to have many spares for yourself and your partners, and there's times you need spare batteries and you are nowhere near a place you could charge batteries).
I almost bought a really nice La Crosse charger and a set of eneloops years ago, but i'm glad i didn't, there's little use for them anymore these days.
Sometime an hour, sometimes 8.
But maybe its just me. I like to let my batteries die before charging them in ALL my products.
But even then, the PS3 doesn't charge the controller while off, unless I think its in Remote Play mode?
poopninjamvc3mk
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I'm still on the og launch 360 controllers so I have yet to test the new ones for deadzones. I knew about the drift part but it's crazy how only one of my controllers actually drift after all these years.
You think so? Everytime I use a DS3, the looseness of the sticks always feels so comfortable, and I can pull off my shots with ease.
The best feeling sticks on a pad I ever loved though was the DS2. It was like a mixture of the tightness of 360controller and the looseness of DS3. The only problems is that it would accelerate at a certain point before you even pushed the stick all the way and it had a drifting problem like the 360controller.
That's true, but newer lithium ion batteries charge quicker too. See mobile phones, where bigger capacity batteries still charge quicker than smaller capacity older one's. Eg my Galaxy S4 vs my S3.
There's actually a newly discovered Lithium Ion tech which provides 2000x more power and charges 1000x quicker.
Extreme Tech | New lithium-ion battery design that’s 2,000 times more powerful, recharges 1,000 times faster
Uno Venova
Banned
Crazy the leaps people are doing to make one choice seem better than the other, instead of just agreeing to disagree.
BadAss2961
Member
I mostly use a PC or a laptop to charge my DS3, so it doesn't necessarily have to be tethered to the console itself. It can be tethered to several things, which comes in handy the further you play away from the system.
I have a Wii that I barely play, but the rechargeables I used for it are dead. If I want to use the system again, i'll have to go and buy another set. Granted I use the system very casually, but batteries have stopped me from playing it altogether simply because I don't have any laying around.
Rechargeables have to be replaced every now and again. It's an outdated solution.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Well, pretty much everything else I care about is better covered on the PS4, so yeah...
Well I mean fresh out of the box there wouldn't be the huge deadzone
I had a random pad I never used from launch window and tried it over the pad I was using (which the rubber of the sticks ripped off) it was like night and day... No stick wiggle, instant action on stick input
The 360 pads were godly out of the box but wear down fairly poorly, something they promised to have fixed with this iteration (in the major Nelson video posted a few days ago)
Well the tech these days is essentially the same as before. Charge to 80% is quick but the last 20% is slow. Problem is there isn't a good gauge to the controller battery charge level without directly checking the OS which is rather cumbersome.
Trust me, we are all waiting on the new battery tech like every other damn person on the planet (I want slow leak high capacity ultra capacitors already :|)
In my opinion both methods of batteries and charging is usually a pain in the ass than not, but at least with AA's you can use them for other things.
I'm a huge fan of the xbox controller and from all accounts the new one is better overall. It's enough to make me think about picking up the new xbox first before the PS4 and Wii U. Dat stick placement
I've been meaning to buy some eneloops and a charger. My family unfortunately still has a lot of tech that runs on AA and AAA batteries like wireless keyboards/mice, 4+ TV remotes, projector remote, 3+ cable box remotes, other controllers, and several flashlights. There's probably 30+ AA batteries being used right now around here, which isn't a good thing
I'm a huge fan of the xbox controller and from all accounts the new one is better overall. It's enough to make me think about picking up the new xbox first before the PS4 and Wii U. Dat stick placement
I've been meaning to buy some eneloops and a charger. My family unfortunately still has a lot of tech that runs on AA and AAA batteries like wireless keyboards/mice, 4+ TV remotes, projector remote, 3+ cable box remotes, other controllers, and several flashlights. There's probably 30+ AA batteries being used right now around here, which isn't a good thing
It does look like a major improvement, especially considering how much less bulky it appears than the 360 controller (my prime complaint with that.) Just one thing I'll never like about the Xbox controllers - not necessarily a flaw, but an annoyance for me personally - is the ABXY layout. For 21 years I've been raised on the Nintendo diamond and I will never get used to the Xbox method. With PlayStation, it's different because it's an entirely different set of symbols, but Xbox still has ABXY... just in the wrong places.
If only they had an Xbox One controller with Nintendo-style ABXY, I'd strongly consider picking one up for my PC. As of now, I guess I'll see wait and see what PC options they have for the DualShock4 or Wii U Pro. Hell, DualShock3 still may be like a viable option even against its successor because it still has a real Start/Select pair - unlike DS4 - and all the buttons are still pressure-sensitive. Hell, Wii U controllers don't even have analog triggers; dunno what Nintendo was thinking there.
If only they had an Xbox One controller with Nintendo-style ABXY, I'd strongly consider picking one up for my PC. As of now, I guess I'll see wait and see what PC options they have for the DualShock4 or Wii U Pro. Hell, DualShock3 still may be like a viable option even against its successor because it still has a real Start/Select pair - unlike DS4 - and all the buttons are still pressure-sensitive. Hell, Wii U controllers don't even have analog triggers; dunno what Nintendo was thinking there.
You want to buy a nice charger if you are going to commit to buying rechargeables. A good charger can bring dead rechargeables back to life, and keep good ones going strong for longer than they usually would. I did way too much research on the matter, so funny i never wound up buying it.
flyinpiranha
Member
Haha at the battery argument. It is the same as stick placement; preference. I stopped arguing that one pretty recently when it is just based on opinion.
Either way, great video. So in depth.
Either way, great video. So in depth.
I like the new style, so I am glad they changed it
Slayer-33
Liverpool-2
Here we are discussing batteries AGAIN because WE ALL KNOW they'll be issue somehow or some way just because XBO will use them for the controller.
It's like the sky is falling, holy shit.
lol, total non issue.
I have that on my silver controller so I end up drifting to the left a lot in Dishonored.
I mean new out of box, not newer revisions
PS4 charges while it's off so problem solved?
Does anyone know if the XO pad will take larger capacity NiMH batteries? I actually don't use Eneloops and found the older ones to be over rated (still have mine though). I use 2900 mAh 7DayShop AA's with my Canon 480 Ex II. They just offer a lot more flash cycles than the Eneloops. Unfortunately the 2900 mAh batteries do not work with the 360 pad, so hoping they do work with you XO's. Still recharging AA's is a damn nuisance. Much prefer to just use a plug and Charge kit.
PS4 charges controllers whilst turned off. DS4 is likely to have order of magnitude more play time than 8 hours (probably closer to 50+ hours) so problem solved. Add to that, with new lithium ion tech it's actually better not to let the battery run completely out, so recharging whenever is not only a non issue, it's a good thing.
PS4 charges controllers whilst turned off. DS4 is likely to have order of magnitude more play time than 8 hours (probably closer to 50+ hours) so problem solved. Add to that, with new lithium ion tech it's actually better not to let the battery run completely out, so recharging whenever is not only a non issue, it's a good thing.
New out of the box Xbox 360 controllers are great like you said, but the degrade terrible over time. I too hope that the build quality on the new controller is a lot better.
The DS3 feels like a cheap piece of crap in your hands with the crappy crickety plastics they use, but the buttons and sticks always held up better over years of playtime.
The play and charge kit was absolute trash on the X360, the thing would barely hold a charge after a few months. Jury's out on the Xbox One's play and charge kit, but based on the mould of the battery pack it looks like they're just stuffing 2 rechargeable AA's into a case again. Who knows what the quality of those batteries will be.
It would be cool if you could recharge eneloops by plugging in the controller to the console. Of course they won't do that as they want people to buy the P&C kits.
That doesn't sound like a problem with the controller, more with the batteries not giving proper power levels or something
Eneloop XX 2500mAh works in the 360 controllers
No. Never said that. That's like saying "the buttons weren't click-y enough before?" if someone finds more solid buttons to be an improvement.
The way they are now are pretty much fine but I'm not going to complain if a change is actually an improvement.
Many have said that the Xbox One controller is an improvement in all areas so overall we'll see. Gotta get our hands on it
Uhh... yeah? What else would I mean? I don't find rechargeable batteries to be a negative. Eneloops are fantastic.
If they did that, I would still use eneloops. They are great batteries and I don't have to worry about replacing the whole controller (or getting a new battery pack) for battery issues.
Heh, I guess every thread of GAF involving the Xbox One controller will be a debate about batteries huh (lol)? Such an insignificant thing to have heated debates about.
Sounds like the RB/LB buttons are still clicky instead of normal. Minor complaint remedied by a now usable D-Pad.
Only thing that's odd now is I think I remember seeing the new headset plug in being huge, so not sure how that would work if you already have a text pad attached the controller.
Only thing that's odd now is I think I remember seeing the new headset plug in being huge, so not sure how that would work if you already have a text pad attached the controller.
miDnIghtEr20C
Banned
You never have to wire it if you don't want to.
Drop it in every few days / week to charger over night. Never have to worry about being low on charge, never have to fiddle with batteries.
Seeing that picture made me immediately think of my lady on my face.
What?!?!?!!??!?!?!?!
Syphon Filter
Member
Rb and Lb were always fine.
I hate that asshole spinning light so damn much.
poopninjamvc3mk
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Depends on the person. If you played fighting games on the pad(which very few people do thank god) the RB/LB are terrible. Everything else, it's alright but they're still not that comfortable tbh.